Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

I got this game in the bag now. Awesome

[Jake from State Farm]

mod I think you missed my previous question. If a tracker tracks a watcher will he get a result or will he not see anything?

[Jake from State Farm]

here is another piece of damning evidence from Xis.

post 674 - Jal points out Lurker's role claim slip
post 684 - Xis posts a huge wall and at the end of it he says his next post will discuss the watcher/tracker issue
post 804/805 - this is xis's next post. no mention of lurker's slip, no vote on lurker
post 883 - says he would rather lynch lurker but doesn't. Still no mention of the slip by lurker
post 884 - still no mention of anything


He basically ignores the entire slip and he was never on the final xis wagon.

If you look at his original vote of lurker he doesn't vote him for something he says or does, he votes him to see where the wagon will go.

post 289 - almost looks like coaching from XIS when he tells him that pro-town content is the only thing to save him.
post 372 (his next in game post) he unvotes lurker while quote his watcher claim and starts looking at lurker's wagon. (so much for the pro-town content I guess)


looking through his iso I can't even find evidence that he finds lurker scummy at all, the closest thing is that he says something about not wanting to lynch a claimed PR unless they are overly scummy but unless I missed it he doesn't flat out call him scummy OR call him scum.

baby I think is the ONLY person who called Xis out for his votes and checking baby was the mafia kill.

unvote

so after thinking sadly I think that NL may be the best bet. mylo sucks and as long as Jal doesn't shoot tonight we should be 3 town vs 2 scum and we eliminate one more question mark.

as for night actions

Cheery - track xis
jal - shoot nobody
xis - cop mhork
safety - watch jal, track jal
me - watch safety

or something like that

[Xisiqomelir]

Okay, sorry I took longer to get back to this than I thought I would.

@SafetyDance

: I will address you first because I'm assuming you to be town, but I find your tone and attitude is severely damaging to my enjoyment of the game. I know for my part I've certainly been no innocent either in that regard, so I am going to lay off digging at you for style issues in hopes that town can win this game. If you wish to choose to continue to try and provoke fights, that is your prerogative, but I will ignore all such segments of your posts and respond purely to game-related content.

In addition, since you don't like interleaving quotes, I am going to write your entire section Mehdi-style, without them. I'll also separate this part of the post, directed at solely at you, from the rest of town's as a further concession.

I believe this should be a comprehensive response to all the game-related portions of your posts since my #2372:

-Do you believe your "did not see anything" result with regard to Mehdi's Doctoring of TBG is related to Jake's result from watching you last night?
-I have already provided what I believe to be a plausible mechanism for Mehdi forgetting he had Virginia Ave. based on an experience I have already had with the numerous PMs sent by this game. I have no interest in hypothesizing up further ones. If you believe this to be a scum plan on my part, I would ask you, again, why I would attempt to hide a powerless card from town as

any

alignment.
-The neighbourhood QT is very telling of Cheery and Mhork not being of the same alignment. Ergo, I would like to investigate further to ensure we lynch correctly, as this is MyLo in the likely case of 2 scum.
-I have lost my vote for today, so the votecount is correct in showing me not voting
-I deed-counted Mhork last night, the only night I was able to use my light green
-Jake's self-vote, although not pro-town makes no sense from a scum perspective, in my opinion. He really is convinced that he's 1v1ing me, and that as he's town, I must be scum.
-I am not acknowledging this 1v1 because I believe Jake to be town.

[Jal]

Let me rephrase: Who received a card at the beginning of D2? Not during the night. At the beginning?

So I'm definitively ruling out Jal-Dog as a scum team, so that's one combination less to work with.

If you're even thinking of me in a scum team, it can only be Xis as he declared to have an innocent on me. Why are you going on about scum teams involving me with other people? Looks like you're trying to be useful while actually doing crap all. In fact, it's more likely for us to be scum together because he didn't get hammered. That can easiy be one scum being bandwagoned and one scum off or on it himself.

Also I find people who 1v1 are townies.

NL is the only way we're going tonight.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't have those pm's anymore but I don't think I got a card day 2

[Lord Mhork]

Hah. I love that jake was all gung-ho for xis lynch, self voted, and then got cold feet. >_>

Where'd your certainty go?

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm still certain but I can't lynch him on my own.

Nobody else will vote xis

[Lord Mhork]

That's silly. Your self vote alone warrants a response to the situation. You say that safety/xis is the team? So we gotta get Cheery and Jal...

@Cheery and Jal:

Is there any way you could be persuaded to join the xis wagon?

[Jal]

How the hell do you not have those pms anymore?

Do you know which card you got D1 you think?

[Jake from State Farm]

That's silly. Your self vote alone warrants a response to the situation. You say that safety/xis is the team? So we gotta get Cheery and Jal...

@Cheery and Jal:

Is there any way you could be persuaded to join the xis wagon?

You aren't reading very well.

Originally I thought it was xis/cheery
After re-reading cheery doesn't make sense but safety does
The self vote is due to the fact that one of us should be lynched, I'm perfectly happy being lynched if that means Jal shoots xis.

At least safety was willing to pick a side, nobody else is. Vote me or xis. Pick or stfu

[Jake from State Farm]

How the hell do you not have those pms anymore?

Do you know which card you got D1 you think?

I was cleaning out my inbox and accidentally deleted some PMs.

D1 I got my Baltic card (watcher) and my Pennsylvania railroad card

[Jake from State Farm]

Just checked the VC, I guess mhork is voting xis already. Jal/cheery vote xis please

[Cheery Dog]

We'll see if I can be convinced, that lurker thing does sound about right. Let me just check something.

@Xis, where would your vote be if you still had it?
Also presuming for a moment you're telling the truth; you have a town read on jake, clears on jal and safety, and a town v scum read on me/mhork, so are you thinking one scum left it godfather?

yeah that really doesn't make any sense about reads. I will vote now
UNVOTE: VOTE: xis

[Lord Mhork]

That's silly. Your self vote alone warrants a response to the situation. You say that safety/xis is the team? So we gotta get Cheery and Jal...

@Cheery and Jal:

Is there any way you could be persuaded to join the xis wagon?

You aren't reading very well.

Originally I thought it was xis/cheery
After re-reading cheery doesn't make sense but safety does
The self vote is due to the fact that one of us should be lynched, I'm perfectly happy being lynched if that means Jal shoots xis.

At least safety was willing to pick a side, nobody else is. Vote me or xis. Pick or stfu

Yeah, pal. I picked a side. >_>

+1 to Cheery's question on xis.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah I realize you had your vote on xis when I posted that.

[Xisiqomelir]

@Town

:

I still firmly believe that No-lynching and following the same plan we had last night, which resulted in no scum kill, is the best course of action because it places maximal constraint on scum, and will not result in a town loss.

@Jake

:

As for the result on safety, he's obvious putting it in a 1 v 1 scenario and if you recall he tries to argue I was roleblocked which I say I wasn't. Why would he lie about the result? Idk but he's not pushing my lynch even though the evidence suggests its him or me. He'd rather NL and save his ass.

You realize that were your theory correct (scum-me vs town-you, and I'm lying about my role), it would make far more sense for me to fake a guilty on somebody and try to take out a townie? Instead, I revealed exactly what actually happened, and I'm holding on to my townread for you and trying to find an explanation for this discrepancy between actions/results and the Mehdi/Safety actions/results.

if I am wrong, you all can yell at me post game

but from my point of view Xis is confirmed scum and we are in a 1 v 1.

Holding you to this.

@Mhork:

But what about the purple card?

What about it? I received it last night. We all admit, I believe, that it does nothing. Please tell me why I'd hide it from town as any alignment.

Because it actually does do something awesomely scummy and you wanted to hide that fact

? You having it means that Medhi was lying earlier, right? Why would he do that?

Nope, that doesn't fly. We know cards provide the same abilities for all factions:

Spoiler:

#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.

I got boardwalk, it gives me the vigilante power to kill one player each night. I just got this today so I haven't used it yet.

And the whole copping Jal was just ridiculous.

I abide by this decision as well.

Question for you, Mhork: If I'm scum, how do you regard my investigation results?

As safe bets to give the least amount of information possible to the town without looking like you're wasting our time?

Seriously, who cops the uncc'd Vig?

[/quote]

I suppose the answer is "not anyone who'd push a wagon on an un-counterclaimed cop"?

@Cheery Dog

:

@Xis, where would your vote be if you still had it?
Also presuming for a moment you're telling the truth; you have a town read on jake, clears on jal and safety, and a town v scum read on me/mhork, so are you thinking one scum left it godfather?

No Lynch. Aside from the possibility of investigation-immune roles, I've also been wondering if I have a non-normal sanity with only 2/3 Yellows. If I continue to investigate without guilties, I'd suspect that to be the case, have to discard all results, and going purely off play and motive my scumteam would be Mhork+{Safety,You,Jal}.

@Jal

: If these people lynch me before I get to post again, I would ask you to shoot either of the neighbours (Mhork before Cheery were it up to me) ahead of Jake. Or, at the very least, to re-read all the uninvestigated slots before reacting immediately to my townflip. My reads haven't exactly been flawless this game, but I still believe #1482 to have been town-tone from Jake.

[Jake from State Farm]

I am still waiting for the mod to answer my question so until then i will

unvote

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

mod I think you missed my previous question. If a tracker tracks a watcher will he get a result or will he not see anything?

~A "No result" type message~

[Jake from State Farm]

as sure as I am about xis, sadly I agree with mylo NL is the best idea

Vote: NL

[Lord Mhork]

Hah. Betcha that the team is totally xis/Jake and they're totally messing with us. >.<

Whatev's. Guess I'll play along 'cause Jake dropped his spine right as his lynch was gonna go through.

UNVOTE: xisquelomeir

VOTE: No Lynch

[Jal]

Cheery - track xis
jal - shoot nobody
xis - cop mhork
safety - watch jal, track jal
me - watch safety

I suggest for Xis to use your light green card on someone else so Cheery can track you going to multiple people. Use it on Safety.

[Lord Mhork]

Shouldn't someone be watching xis on the off chance he's actually a cop?

[Jal]

Part of the point is to see if he dies.

[Lord Mhork]

Interesting point. What do you learn if he dies?