In the Court of the Gods (Game Over)

[DTMaster]

Err nevermind, I guess outing NS scum would mean that. However I don't see the really big deal of outing that your immortal guy is scum when he can control voting behaviour using paranoia instead of his role.

[DTMaster]

Did you know that nopoint's iso is 1 page long for 2 game days :3/ His last post was a yawn.

[DTMaster]

Wait. DGB please tell me Nopoint is pulling an Andruis here. I'd cross him off my peoples to look into if he's communicating via QT.

[Andrius]

Ok, update.
Just laid out a massive case on my thoughts for tonight's vig-shot in the Temple.
Can we just lynch AGM now?

[hitogoroshi]

Rereading Benmage's actions with AGM. If one flips scum, we're lynching the other. The whole exchange is too suspect - from "claim now!" to "vanilla" to "unvote, full stop no more wagon". Ben wanted a replacement to come in just to claim, was dripping with hammerlust, but completely shut down the whole operation with a vanilla claim?

However, I think a negative is also definitive. Benmage scum wouldn't contort himself so much to save AGM town. AGM scum wouldn't walk in and claim vanilla immediately if he couldn't count on the unvote from Benmage. AGM and Ben are almost certainly the same alignment.

If I'm right, it doesn't matter the order.

If I'm wrong, I'd rather be wrong with caught-up Benmage alive instead of just-came-to-claim AGM.

Vote: AlmasterGM

[Equinox]

However I don't see the really big deal of outing that your immortal guy is scum when he can control voting behaviour using paranoia instead of his role.

No. Outing the scum god causes the other two temples to become masonries, which adds considerable power to the town. We're seeing that right now with the Temple of Rewards and the Temple of Time.

I have a town read on Fishythefish independent of my reads on the other two gods. Granted, I have the benefit of seeing him in the QuickTopic, but we've been working things out in there and exchanging thoughts.

[Equinox]

I should also add that Nobody Special's power is nerfed the closer to endgame we get. He can only use his ability up to 72 hours before deadline, and he freezes the votes for 24 hours. If you have enough people lingering around (see my explanation for masonries above), you can shift the votes within 48 hours.

[farside22]

DTM: My thought on Ben is maybe, just maybe he's helping scum that has a PR. It's not beyond reason as I have seen scum not buss if it's a PR scum partner that is needed.
Also he is saying he is 100% town by a drop card that is not 100% town. I don't see a claim without reason as town play and playing with Benmage scum before he has a tendancy to look for other scum roles (IE: he was wolf in the game trying to lynch mafia) or maybe a SK (aka hito)
So my mind is not clear of Benmage.

[Fishythefish]

Also if you look at Fishy's voting pattern he switched quickly from Jack to Hito to the Almaster/Benmage theory with ease. He's one of the key people that falls under Mina's analysis of "suspicious vote dropping".

Jack's slot claimed vanilla, so I switched to the Hito wagon because he became a poor lynch. Hito claimed vig, and so is a poor lynch, so I've switched to Benmage. I'm more in favour of the Benmage theory than the Almaster/Benmage theory - while there is a good link there, I think Benmage is also independently scummy.

I don't really see your problem with any of that. Just to say I'm vote hopping without the context of the claims going on is rather ridiculous.

[Equinox]

Jack's slot claimed vanilla, so I switched to the Hito wagon because he became a poor lynch. Hito claimed vig, and so is a poor lynch, so I've switched to Benmage.

If Benmage makes a claim, would he become a poor lynch...?

[Fishythefish]

Depends on the claim, obviously. Those claims, in those situations, made the claimants bad lynches.

[DrippingGoofball]

2. DGB: You wanted me to hide behind Tajo remember? Please let me hide there as planned "hint hint hint"

Oh yeah, I forgot.

[zoraster]

Day 2 Vote Count

Andrius ( 1 ) AlmasterGM,

(L - 7 )

populartajo ( 1 )

DrippingGoofball,

(L - 7 )

hitogoroshi ( 1 ) Feysal,

(L - 7 )

nopointinactingup ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

Equinox ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

farside22 ( 1 ) Benmage,

(L - 7 )

Feysal ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

Lost Butterfly ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

Corvuus ( 2 ) DTMaster, populartajo,

(L - 6 )

Benmage ( 3 ) Equinox,

Fishythefish,

farside22,

(L - 5 )

Almaster GM ( 4 ) Andrius, nopointinactingup, Corvuus, hitogoroshi,

(L - 4 )

DTMaster ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

(L - 8 )

Not Voting ( 2 )

Nobody Special,

Lost Butterfly,
Total Votes ( 15 )

Deadline: March 7th at 23:00 EDT
With 15 able to vote, 8 needed to lynch.

[AlmasterGM]

Can we just lynch AGM now?

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[Feysal]

Acknowledging prod. Sorry about no content in this post, but I can't read through the pages of new posts tonight. Content tomorrow, after I've had a chance to read what is going on.

[DTMaster]

Uhhhh on the phone and will respond to some points. But Wat? How does randomly distributed scum make 2 priesthoods masonries. At most outing 1 scum god confirms 2 townies, not 2 priesthoods. They remain neighbourhoods, not masonry. If NS is scum you don't auto clear the priests of rewards/time.

[DTMaster]

Uhhh AGM. You can post a <\3 but no response to the comments?

[Benmage]

The only thing a town player shouldn't do is self vote. I recall anything else and a self vote doesn't confirm you 100%

DING DING DING...WE have a winner.

I said its something that should never be done. Because its gay as shit. It was done under a complete defeatist attitude. I had such a shitty first day that I didn't think I'd ever be able to overcome and so sought my own lynch today rather than a on-the-line mislynch. And I stand by that.

The only catch is...it does confirm me town 100%. I've done it once before. The little cat n mouse here, farside was because I thought you were suppose to be meta searching me. (Actually i self voted another time as well but that was in an rvs...both times I was a VT)... The game is well over a year ago. Mafia 98. It was a defeat-mode move.

It confirms me town..because this is almost like cheating. I've only done it as town. And (if it ever happens again..which who knows..but say I keep playing a few more years... it done once a year seems plausible). Like I said..its never planned for. Its a last resort.. I fucked up move.

1 time before, aint a strong precedent. But I'll never do this as scum...because it'll ruin my Ace in the whole precedent.

That said... I guess it aint cheating cause there's plenty of wine that I could be lying scum. Which is fine. Lets do this lynch today.

I also pointed to 3 people that found you scummy that didn't see this so called deed, soooooo yeah your not making any sense.

Epiphanys are hard to comeby.

Plus your voting me for weak reason.

LOL

If a self vote and premature claim with no pressure is town play I'm going to wonder at the state of MS since I've been gone.

No..it is indeed horrendous play.

I really, really been hating the Fishy lately since I expect more from his play since Linked Mafia Redone edition.

I know....But how can NS not be scum!!!!?!?!?

Did you know that nopoint's iso is 1 page long for 2 game days :3/ His last post was a yawn.

Yeah..but you have him confirmed town right, oh wai....

If I'm wrong, I'd rather be wrong with caught-up Benmage alive instead of just-came-to-claim AGM.

Vote: AlmasterGM

Shitty reason to vote.

Also he is saying he is 100% town by a drop card that is not 100% town.

Self meta

FTW

ftl

I don't see a claim without reason as town play and playing with Benmage scum before he has a tendancy to look for other scum roles (IE: he was wolf in the game trying to lynch mafia) or maybe a SK (aka hito)
So my mind is not clear of Benmage.

That game was called masons and werewolves or some shit... it was an Open setup ..Of course as any multiple mafia group you're going to be hunting the other genuinely for town cred…

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I think Benmage is also independently scummy.

Why was this again?

[DTMaster]

Also Farside/Ben your argument over this point is going to stagnant. I recommend other arguments since I see a big block of rage coming soon.

[farside22]

@Ben: I already stated I don't have time to search every freeking game. If you haven't noticed I'm not glued to this site because work fucking took it away from me. Some days it's frustrating and other days I'm too busy to think about the game.
I don't know what to make of the meta argument. I trust you as far as I could throw you and I don't doubt for a second that scum Benmage wouldn't use his own meta as an advantage.


I'm going to go reread a few things. I'm not sure if I will have time to reread everything, but I need to look into a few things again.

[Lost Butterfly]

I think the ben meta argument looks reasonably genuine. Definitely don't want Almaster lynched though.

[Equinox]

But Wat? How does randomly distributed scum make 2 priesthoods masonries.

I wasn't talking about confirming entire priesthoods. I was talking about the uses of the lines of communication. With a scum god outed, that leaves town free to claim to their respective gods that aren't the scum god, and they are also free to ask their gods to relay messages to others within the priesthood. If there are enough strong town reads within a priesthood, then there is the potential to open up a masonry with the god as facilitator. Now the scum team have to worry about a coordinated town.

The gods' powers are but scratches on the surface. Scum wouldn't out their god; it's way too risky. Besides, the scum god needs to gain the trust of his followers in order to get them to claim to him, and then he can manipulate them as he wishes. (Too bad Nobody Special bungled this part.)

Uhhh AGM. You can post a <\3 but no response to the comments?

You do realize he has over 70 pages of material on which to catch up, and that we continue to feed this thread like it's a hungry bear.

Did you know that nopoint's iso is 1 page long for 2 game days :3/ His last post was a yawn.

I've been saying that for a while. ._.

nopointinactingup is more proactive as town. The thing that bothers me is your hide result; I realize that, if we have a roleblocker, your results mean nothing until we kill it dead with fire, but the last time I entirely discounted a result, I lost a game. (AlmasterGM would remember this one.)

... ...

Dammit. I really hate the Day 2 lynch choices right now.

We have too many claimed vanillas running around, and I want to lynch from that pool... but there are people outside of that pool I want to lynch even more. If I lynch outside of the pool of claimants, there is potential for serious damage to the town, and God knows I've done enough damage as it is.

You know what, let's hit closer to home. My vote on Benmage. I hate that he's using self-meta as a defense, and I know from experience that martyr cards work ridiculously well as an AtE defense. (I'm aware of the irony of this statement. ) However, I have yet to see scum use a martyr card, so that's giving me doubts about my vote right now.

I hate how indecisive I'm being. Fucking hell.

[Equinox]

You know what, it's not even the lynch choices anymore. It's my damned list of reads. The left end of the spectrum is solid, but everyone else flits around on every little whimsy.

Unvote

List of people I need to reinvestigate later when I'm done writing for a class: AlmasterGM, Benmage, Corvuus, populartajo

Hold me to that. I expect to be able to start those in about 4 hours.

[Equinox]

Oh, I forgot to mention. I'm about to start my slew of midterms next week, and since there's a lot riding on my performance on those things, I'm going to be

V/LA March 7-10

I might be able to check in once or twice during this period to make short responses if needed, but otherwise all major projects are on hold (including the Super Reread).

If you guys plan on killing me or something, please let me know before March 7 so I can put Rush Priority on this game before I take my exit. kthx

[nopointinactingup]

Did you know that nopoint's iso is 1 page long for 2 game days :3/ His last post was a yawn.

I know that I don't see what the deal with not lynching AGM anymore. He'd be hard pressed to read the game so ... I'm just waiting I guess for the heard to get thinned out

That reminds me, I'd jump on LB or Benmage if they pick up.

*yawns*