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Post Post #368 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:51 pm

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Mod
: If a hypothetical Sane Cop were to investigate the Jester, would they get a guilty, innocent, or some other result?

1.)
Obviously the jester claiming today is not the best for the jester – but it
is
the best move for the town. It was rather annoying to see so many players arguing against this plan. It only takes
one
extra step to get from "Wait a second, that's not a smart thing for Jester to do" to the surprising conclusion of "And wait another second - but it
is
a good thing for the town".

2.)
For some reason, Post 112 by Captain Bandwagon rubbed me the wrong way (and I find it strange myself considering the plethora of votes on Greasy Spot). Sketching out my general reaction would be something like this:

->
a.)
No indication of whether Captain Bandwagon finds Greasy Spot
scummy
at this point in time as opposed to 'granting a request'
->
b.)
Clearly cannot be a 'pressure' vote for more information when it is done directly and solely from a quote of somebody asking to be voted/lynched
->
c.)
Considering Captain Bandwagon's initial reaction to the "Jester claim Day One" strategy was to argue against it, and his own claim of "I totally know where you're coming from" in [157], I find it difficult to believe he used the fact that Greasy Spot argued against it as a justification for his vote – so
if
there was a basis, it would have to be something else

I completely realize there were votes from other people who
also
did not explain their vote, but this one gave me a different vibe from the others. Later CB claims it was "his [Greasy Spot's] actions" that led CB to think GS was scum in Post 172. So I'm going to ask: what actions in particular were you basing your vote off?

{Coming back}: Looks like it's the sarcastic posts that got Captain B (mentioned in Post 249). That mollifies me somewhat, but I might as well get a fuller explanation.

3.)
Post 192 from Dani Banani is highly ironic. It features a chastisement of tyhess for 'not doing research' while subsequently asking why tyhess is not voting who he finds to be suspicious (while tyhess was, in fact, doing just that). Not
particularly
scummy, but difficult to pass by.

4.)
In Post 230 from Battle Mage, I get a "play-both-sides-of-the-fence" feel. He doesn't like the logic for Jester coming out on Day One, but the only person he mentions as being suspicious for this is mith. At the same time, he doesn't like Dani Bananis' "interaction with the GS wagon" (which – to me -- seemed like Dani Banani expressing sympathy with GS), and he says that post [182] (where I unvote) "smells terrible".

I get the impression that he is claiming to not like the wagon on GS (confirmed in Post 242), but at the same time seems to say that he doesn't want me to have unvoted him and does not want Dani Banani to be lenient as Dani had been in a similar situation as town before. Could I have some elaboration on this? If I am misunderstanding you, please correct me. Has your view changed on this since you have made that post?

5.)
Something about MoS's posts bugs me. I kinda feel like he's just been some random person who walks in the room to say stuff like:
Person Walking in a Room Full of Talking People wrote:Did you know the average chocolate bar has anywhere between three to eight bug legs in it?
*shrug*
No
, I didn't know that until I made it a point to find a silly example to use here. The feeling is mostly a vibe, but that's the best way I can think to describe it.

6.)
Captain Bandwagon wrote:I can't believe you didn't see it, hence my frustration.
When did
you
realize the Jester plan was a trap? Your posts have certainly given me reason to doubt you 'knew all along'.

~~~~~

However.
Vote: wolfcrier
. How's it going, scum?
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Post Post #369 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 am

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Mod:


1: Can you update the fact that I've replaced Dark Ermac in this game.

2: I'm going to be away for the weekend, getting married tonight.

Players:


Will be back shortly to post something, although I've read up to this point and can't come up with a quick thought to write down. I'll spend some time reading.
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Post Post #370 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:07 am

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Congrats Monkey! :D
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Post Post #371 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:33 am

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Congrats Monkey! :D
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Post Post #372 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:41 am

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Is getting married a scumtell?

I'm flying today, and will be jetlagging/MIThunting tomorrow and Sunday. I'll try to make a post before the end of the weekend, though.
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Post Post #373 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:41 am

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Monkey wrote:
Mod:


1: Can you update the fact that I've replaced Dark Ermac in this game.

2: I'm going to be away for the weekend, getting married tonight.

Players:


Will be back shortly to post something, although I've read up to this point and can't come up with a quick thought to write down. I'll spend some time reading.
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Post Post #374 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:07 am

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Well that certaintly was a waste of time reading that explanation just to find out you are going to vote an innocent person... It seems like that happens to me in every game here and on the grey lambrith (possible sister site?). Considering I haven't said anything particularly scummy why vote me? Oh and congrats Monkey.
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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:11 am

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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Would you prefer the Jester to claim today or tommorrow BM?
I dont think it really matters. Obviously id prefer a claim today, but only on the premise that we actually lynch the Jester. As it is apparent that those at Thespival have other ideas, i dont see much difference.

Are these questions going anywhere? :P

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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:28 am

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If you prefer a jester claim today, why did you argue against having the jester claim?
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:12 am

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mith wrote:Is getting married a scumtell?
Depends on who you marry .. in my case, I'd say no though :wink:

Alright, still don't really know what else I can add, so I guess I'll just say goodbye for now and I'll be back to post either sunday night/monday afternoon.

Thanks for the congrats guys.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:28 am

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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If you prefer a jester claim today, why did you argue against having the jester claim?
I've already explained this. 0.o
I saw a load of experienced players claiming something as logical which didnt make sense. Gut reaction, i make a song and dance about it.
Thats all.

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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:38 am

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petroleumjelly wrote:It only takes
one
extra step to get from "Wait a second, that's not a smart thing for Jester to do" to the surprising conclusion of "And wait another second - but it
is
a good thing for the town".
This. When mith and Pooky unveiled the plan, I knew something was up. My suspicions were confirmed after I asked them to elaborate, and after that I just went along with it. I mean, come on. When the owner of the site uses craplogic along with several other experienced players, something definitely has to be up.
petroleumjelly wrote:
2.)
For some reason, Post 112 by Captain Bandwagon rubbed me the wrong way (and I find it strange myself considering the plethora of votes on Greasy Spot). Sketching out my general reaction would be something like this:

->
a.)
No indication of whether Captain Bandwagon finds Greasy Spot
scummy
at this point in time as opposed to 'granting a request'
->
b.)
Clearly cannot be a 'pressure' vote for more information when it is done directly and solely from a quote of somebody asking to be voted/lynched
->
c.)
Considering Captain Bandwagon's initial reaction to the "Jester claim Day One" strategy was to argue against it, and his own claim of "I totally know where you're coming from" in [157], I find it difficult to believe he used the fact that Greasy Spot argued against it as a justification for his vote – so
if
there was a basis, it would have to be something else

I completely realize there were votes from other people who
also
did not explain their vote, but this one gave me a different vibe from the others. Later CB claims it was "his [Greasy Spot's] actions" that led CB to think GS was scum in Post 172. So I'm going to ask: what actions in particular were you basing your vote off?

{Coming back}: Looks like it's the sarcastic posts that got Captain B (mentioned in Post 249). That mollifies me somewhat, but I might as well get a fuller explanation.
I was voting him to pressure him to stop trying to derail the trap, and I didn't like the vibe of his sarcastic posts.
petroleumjelly wrote:
6.)
When did
you
realize the Jester plan was a trap? Your posts have certainly given me reason to doubt you 'knew all along'.
See above.
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I guess your instincts sure failed you here.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:26 am

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mith wrote:Is getting married a scumtell?

I'm flying today, and will be jetlagging/MIThunting tomorrow and Sunday. I'll try to make a post before the end of the weekend, though.
Lucky. I want to MIThunt. Let me know how it goes!

(Of course, I'm going to read the archive of the puzzles as soon as I can.)
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:36 pm

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Dani Banani wrote:just checking in... sorry i haven't posted recently, but my weekend got crazy quick... short story, i'm recently working 2 jobs... still trying to figure out time for myself... i'll do a re-read Tues. or Wed... Thurs. at the latest...
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:53 pm

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Amen MeMe?
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:55 pm

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hasdgfas, would it be a good idea to Amen?

I mean, you've posted amen in just about every post so far. I would like for you to say other things too.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:57 pm

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Amens useful.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:32 pm

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I think we should lynch Mith for not preventing all this faulty site not staying up long enough to look at the thread and/or post >_>
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:07 pm

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@hasdgfas: Err, if you agreed with Meme's on Dani, why didn't you vote him too?
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:11 am

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Captain Bandwagon wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:My thoughts are, if enough people bully someone with enough force for enough time, eventually they give in. One of the main characteristics (good or bad) about me is that i tend to stick to my instincts even in the face of every other player saying im wrong. But there comes a time when you doubt yourself, especially in a game of this nature, im amazed to find myself disagreeing with so many legends of the game.
I guess your instincts sure failed you here.
Erm, did you even read that before quoting it?
My instincts were spot on. Unfortunately i wasnt aware of the bigger picture.

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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:28 am

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@BM- I bet you're the guy yelling out how the magician is doing his tricks at a kid's birthday party, huh? For as much talking down as you do to other players, perhaps you should learn to think about *why* someone is saying something before just firing off a reply. People like you are the reason that gambits don't work. Generally, only those who would be caught by the plan at hand are the ones who should be fighting the plan. If a foolproof way to find scum is presented, the scum either have to fight the idea (and give themselves away) or go along with the idea (and *risk* giving themselves away if it works). Honestly, the way you're pushing for "if the Jester claims today we should lynch him" today makes me want to vote you. Either A- you're the Jester and are trying to hide today by acting totally anti-jester and we may as well take your advice about not taking 2nd place, or B- you're going to continue to be a distraction by fighting tooth and nail against everything that you didn't come up with or agree 100% on. The only thing worse for the town than the scum is a townie who is so distracting we can't find the scum. So I'll tell ya what, pick a few people. Build a couple of cases. I'll give ya all weekend to do so. You're active on the site enough it shouldn't be a problem. I'm giving you the opportunity to go on the offensive before I decide whether or not to vote you.

P.S. 10 to 1 odds say I'm one of the people you build a case against. :)
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:15 am

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hasdgfas -- does saying the A-word help
you
or the town?
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:16 am

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@MeMe- lmao I started looking to see where he swore...
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:26 am

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I'm about halfway through rereading the thread.

GS, I have a few questions if you care to answer.
Who do you think is scummy and why?
Who do you think could be the jester?
Do you honestly believe mith to be scum, or are you just not able to drop your anger and frustration on him from the beginning of the game?
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:09 am

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Amens: Town :D
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