Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[Captain Bandwagon]

My bad, I had opened up a reply window right after BM's post #330, but I didn't click submit properly. I did so when I got back, but failed to notice the new posts right away.

[wolfcrier]

so I am really lost vote count please?

[Iammars]

I knew about the trap, but since mith and Pooky were both saying the same thing, I decided not to call them out on crap logic. And GS, that was not necessary. If you're that angry, push yourself away from your keyboard, stand up, and go eat ice cream or something to cool yourself down. Rolling around in snow also helps.

[tyhess]

I was wondering how supposably some of the best players could be such idiots. I was waiting until they claimed and then I was going to push for the Jesters lynch, hard. I hate not taking 1st.

[Captain Bandwagon]

Rolling around in snow also helps.

Ugh, I had a lot of that two days ago at Grouse Mt. in North Van. Tried snowboarding for the first time and I still bear the bruises.

[Thesp]

Official Vote Count

Note:

Cult of the Couch Members:

1 (tyhess)

Greasy Spot - 8

(curiouskarmadog, mith, PookyTheMagicalBear, Captain Bandwagon,

Cult of the Couch (1)

, Iammars, Mastermind of Sin, wolfcrier)

Mastermind of Sin - 2

(Dani Banani, QuickBen)

Iammars - 1

(hasdgfas)

Dani Banani - 1

(MeMe)

QuickBen - 1

(Battle Mage)

Not Voting - 8

(al_kohaulec, Dark Ermac, RossWilliam, Talitha, petroleumjelly, Holy, Greasy Spot, Fletcher)

With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch.

Prodding all people who haven't posted in 72 hours, replacing non-responders.

[Battle Mage]

@MoS-i didnt know it was a trap, and genuinely thought that perhaps some of the more experienced players on the site had their wires crossed. In any case, seeing as its pretty likely that one of the players at Thespival is the Jester, it wouldnt have made any difference.

Quickben and Dani Banani are both acceptable lynches today. Not quite sure i have the stomach to lynch Mith atm. lol

BM

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That does a rather poor job of answering the question.

If you believed people were lying to out the Jester, what reason do you have to oppose them?

[QuickBen]

When did I become an acceptable lynch BM?

[Battle Mage]

When did I become an acceptable lynch BM?

See the post in which i voted for you originally. If you need further clarification, come back and ask again.

BM

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BM, do you want the Jester to claim?

[petroleumjelly]

This is an extremely shameless "I am here" post. Please note the utter lack of shame. I will read through the game tonight and make a substantive post at that time.

Note: I expect to be away much of Friday, Saturday, and possibly Sunday due to Mock Trial

. I have sent a PM to the mod to the same effect.

[al_kohaulec]

I have been prodded, but yes I am here. I've been reading, tried to post yesterday, and the boards died on me. My post is saved at home though.


Basic thoughts > Jester deal is over with, let's move on to scumhunting. I'll C/V my post when I get home, if MS works.

[Battle Mage]

BM, do you want the Jester to claim?

Yes, but all things considered, i'm quite happy to wait until tomorrow for him to do so.

I'm going to read back in the next day or 2 and look for scummy reactions to the Jester discussion.

BM

[al_kohaulec]

Post I wanted to say yesterday:

Battle Mage, if you thought this could be a trap for the Jester to claim, why would you fight against it? Why is it NOT in the town's best interest for the Jester to claim Day 1? For what reason do you think it was beneficial to OPPOSE the jester claiming today?

Cause BM's probably the Jester. *shrug*

Anyways, my first serious vote would have been for GS if he wasn't so close to being lynched quickly as it is. I considered voting Mith for many of his actions during the jester scenario, but recognized the trap that was laid out, so I was taking the poor quality of some of his actions as a grain of salt. The whole jester situation is what really detracted me from focusing on scummy vibes so I need to reread in another context to get a better idea of who I think is scum.

[al_kohaulec]

@MoS-i didnt know it was a trap, and genuinely thought that perhaps some of the more experienced players on the site had their wires crossed. In any case, seeing as its pretty likely that one of the players at Thespival is the Jester, it wouldnt have made any difference.

With everybody's responses (Thespivilians and non-Thespivilians alike), it doesn't sound like the trap in general was strong. The logic for jester claiming on day 2 is still valid, but otherwise I wouldn't rule out anybody based on whether or not they were at Thespival.

[Talitha]

This is another lame checking in post. After 1 hour sleep I have been travelling again today and then walking the city streets for hours in the cold and snow... but I have seen more monuments and government buildings than i could have imagined... Tomorrow, to the museums.

I hope not to be replaced but will understand if I am.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Would you prefer the Jester to claim today or tommorrow BM?

[petroleumjelly]

Mod

: If a hypothetical Sane Cop were to investigate the Jester, would they get a guilty, innocent, or some other result?

1.)

Obviously the jester claiming today is not the best for the jester – but it

is

the best move for the town. It was rather annoying to see so many players arguing against this plan. It only takes

one

extra step to get from "Wait a second, that's not a smart thing for Jester to do" to the surprising conclusion of "And wait another second - but it

is

a good thing for the town".

2.)

For some reason, Post 112 by Captain Bandwagon rubbed me the wrong way (and I find it strange myself considering the plethora of votes on Greasy Spot). Sketching out my general reaction would be something like this:

->

a.)

No indication of whether Captain Bandwagon finds Greasy Spot

scummy

at this point in time as opposed to 'granting a request'
->

b.)

Clearly cannot be a 'pressure' vote for more information when it is done directly and solely from a quote of somebody asking to be voted/lynched
->

c.)

Considering Captain Bandwagon's initial reaction to the "Jester claim Day One" strategy was to argue against it, and his own claim of "I totally know where you're coming from" in [157], I find it difficult to believe he used the fact that Greasy Spot argued against it as a justification for his vote – so

if

there was a basis, it would have to be something else

I completely realize there were votes from other people who

also

did not explain their vote, but this one gave me a different vibe from the others. Later CB claims it was "his [Greasy Spot's] actions" that led CB to think GS was scum in Post 172. So I'm going to ask: what actions in particular were you basing your vote off?

{Coming back}: Looks like it's the sarcastic posts that got Captain B (mentioned in Post 249). That mollifies me somewhat, but I might as well get a fuller explanation.

3.)

Post 192 from Dani Banani is highly ironic. It features a chastisement of tyhess for 'not doing research' while subsequently asking why tyhess is not voting who he finds to be suspicious (while tyhess was, in fact, doing just that). Not

particularly

scummy, but difficult to pass by.

4.)

In Post 230 from Battle Mage, I get a "play-both-sides-of-the-fence" feel. He doesn't like the logic for Jester coming out on Day One, but the only person he mentions as being suspicious for this is mith. At the same time, he doesn't like Dani Bananis' "interaction with the GS wagon" (which – to me -- seemed like Dani Banani expressing sympathy with GS), and he says that post [182] (where I unvote) "smells terrible".

I get the impression that he is claiming to not like the wagon on GS (confirmed in Post 242), but at the same time seems to say that he doesn't want me to have unvoted him and does not want Dani Banani to be lenient as Dani had been in a similar situation as town before. Could I have some elaboration on this? If I am misunderstanding you, please correct me. Has your view changed on this since you have made that post?

5.)

Something about MoS's posts bugs me. I kinda feel like he's just been some random person who walks in the room to say stuff like:

Did you know the average chocolate bar has anywhere between three to eight bug legs in it?

*shrug*

No

, I didn't know that until I made it a point to find a silly example to use here. The feeling is mostly a vibe, but that's the best way I can think to describe it.

6.)

I can't believe you didn't see it, hence my frustration.

When did

you

realize the Jester plan was a trap? Your posts have certainly given me reason to doubt you 'knew all along'.

~~~~~

However.

Vote: wolfcrier

. How's it going, scum?

[Monkey]

Mod:

1: Can you update the fact that I've replaced Dark Ermac in this game.

2: I'm going to be away for the weekend, getting married tonight.

Players:

Will be back shortly to post something, although I've read up to this point and can't come up with a quick thought to write down. I'll spend some time reading.

[Greasy Spot]

Congrats Monkey!

[hasdgfas]

Congrats Monkey!

[mith]

Is getting married a scumtell?

I'm flying today, and will be jetlagging/MIThunting tomorrow and Sunday. I'll try to make a post before the end of the weekend, though.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mod:

1: Can you update the fact that I've replaced Dark Ermac in this game.

2: I'm going to be away for the weekend, getting married tonight.

Players:

Will be back shortly to post something, although I've read up to this point and can't come up with a quick thought to write down. I'll spend some time reading.

kick ass!

[wolfcrier]

Well that certaintly was a waste of time reading that explanation just to find out you are going to vote an innocent person... It seems like that happens to me in every game here and on the grey lambrith (possible sister site?). Considering I haven't said anything particularly scummy why vote me? Oh and congrats Monkey.