Realistic Mafia - Game Over

[Crub]

Vote: Battle Mage

[Crub]

unvote; vote Surye

Mafia is Serious Business.

[Crub]

Lurking is only "lurking" if you intentionally avoid posting in a specific game.

Why are you so intent on defending him?

[Crub]

Have you thought this through? Just because things at his house suggest he has an agressive nature why does that mean either way if he's scum or town.

I'm happy to vote him if you can explain to me why you can infer that cop's alignment either way.

[Crub]

Yeah that's more of what I was referring to, why "Agressive" equates to scum, and what that actually indicates.

If he turns up to be a plain vanilla townie, then I suppose you can assume that the cop is dirty, if he turns up to be any sort of other role, town or scum I can't see us being able to 100% clear that cop.

[Crub]

Anyway, I think Cyberbob is lying. Because one does not simply knock on a door then walkaway i don't think. I don't think this game works this way.

I knocked on someone's door and walked away when they weren't home.

[Crub]

I'm going with NabNab.

How is going to CB's house affecting "evidence" we already know the cop said he had "aggressive" stuff there, either he is agressive or he isn't. Nothing we do at CB's house can affect what we know already, but it can give us more information, and help confirm/deny CB and the prospective dirty cop.

[Crub]

Situation we are in now:
1. We lynch CB and find he is town.
2 -> Dirty Cop

1. We lynch CB and find he is some sort of "Aggressive Role" town or scum.
2 -> Clean Cop

Situation we will be in:
1. NabNab reports CB's house indicates CB is scum.
2. We lynch CB and find him to be vanilla town.
3 -> Dirty Cop + NabNab is scum

1. NabNab reports CB's house indicates CB is vanilla.
2 -> We're back at square 1 with some information and you should be wary of that cop, later on in the game we will have information about NabNab, CB, and the cop.

How is this a worse situation?

[Crub]

[quote="Surye"][quote="Crub"]Situation we are in now:
1. We lynch CB and find he is town.
2 -> Dirty Cop

1. We lynch CB and find he is some sort of "Aggressive Role" town or scum.
2 -> Clean Cop
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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Allignments will only be revealed at the end of a day.[/quote]

Again... not sure if it's an attempt at misinformation, or he's really not paying attention to the important stuff.[/quote]

It's not misinformation, I'm talking about when his alignment is revealed. ie. at the end of the day.

[Crub]

No matter wtf happens, even if me and NabNab get blown sky high or ABR walks up to you and shoots you in the head, we won't have any 100% information until the end of the day anyway.

[Crub]

Me and Nab went to his place but couldn't get in because cb wasn't home, the place was locked and we didn't have a key.

[Crub]

I'm going to do a reread of my own soon, but I agree that Crub is scummy yet shouldn't be lynched today as he falls under the clause of "if CB is scum he probably is too".

You know because as scum I'd want to show my hand on day 1 in order to protect a scumbuddy who was obviously the best choice for a lynch no matter what we found at his house.

Personally if you were so concerned about me and Nab going to CB's house why didn't you just tag along. My day action was, go with Nab and keep and eye on him while he looks through CB's house. If you were so worried about me and Nab "tampering" with evidence you should have just come along.

The fact that you just sat back and complained about it, and now you're trying to tie scum CB with me is more than a little bit concerning.

[Crub]

vote: armlx

[Crub]

Sorry I find the bringing out of WIFOM to be scummy especially when it's in relation to something that is definitely not WIFOM.

For your accusation to hold any water. Me, NabNab and CB would have to be ALL Mafia.

[Crub]

What so you're claiming I went to Cyber's house with the knowledge that NabNab would be there in order to tamper with "evidence". The whole point of going in a group of 2 was to add a safeguard to make sure that didn't happen.

[Crub]

I slept like a baby in the comfort of my own home

[Crub]

vote: ABR

This game is full of WTF moments.

[Crub]

1. Why are NabNab and GW cleared?
2. Why couldn't a cop also be a SK?
3. Given that cop's can choose (I assume) how much and what get's reported to the mayor why are people assuming just because 1 investigation "check's out" that cop is cleared. ie. Isn't it entirely possible that dirty cop(s) working for one group of mafioso outed mafioso's that they aren't working for?

[Crub]

I don't think we can just assume ABR is scum. Just because it makes no sense for a townie to self-hammer in that situation, does it mean that ABR is not a townie. It is ABR we're talking about after all.

Not saying that it's not likely ... just saying we shouldn't assume anything

[Crub]

Plus we would rather lynch non-DGB scum then DGB scum as DGB scum is presumably the last member of her group if she is scum as she shot Dasq, while the other scum, while likely the last member of their group due to ABR's death, is still possibly paired, and leaving both groups alive allows for cross kills.

I originally thought this, but thinking about it further I wouldn't be surprised if DGB shot another member of her mafia.

[Crub]

I reread keeping an eye on Crub and most comments seem to give a very different angle to the game as what most 'players' had, in a way I don't actually like.

Awww <3

[Crub]

16. Ghostwriter-Confirmed by investigation
18. NabakovNabakov-Confirmed by investigation

Why?

[Crub]

Awesome Pants what did you do night 0?

[Crub]

I'd like to know why Natirasha needed to get some bombs from the police station?

[Crub]

If anyone else leaves while Natashira is gone, we kill them when they return no questions asked. Head shots too.

Obviously I also left when Natashira left to get body armour in order to observe his actions. Hence me knowing about "2 bombs".

Personally I think Awesome is probably scum, not convinced about Natashira though.

Also you don't think being able to blind possible witnesses is something to be worried about?

[Crub]

I'm guessing it's due to inattention.

[Crub]

The issue is whether its just dumb or opportunistic.

How is it opportunistic? It's just plain dumb no matter what alignment panzer is.

[Crub]

Also is Hjallti at L-1 right now? Are we just waiting for a hammerer?

[Crub]

Surye reading the night flavour indicates that even though Cop x might report a false positive, Cop y might be tampering with the result before you see it. Which would also explain why Nat found NabNab and GW innocent and you received "illegal activities".

[Crub]

Wow I fully doubt Hjallti is scum.

[Crub]

vote: End Day

This game is way too fast for me btw.

[Crub]

Because I'm lazy can someone give me a summary of who has claimed what already. Also I'm interested in hearing some set-up speculation from everyone.

Possibilities in my mind :
There's still a group of 3 scum ...
The 2 scum groups both have 1 cop on the team, who are both still alive ...
There's another SK ...

[Crub]

Considering I was found innocent by a confirmed innocent cop, I do not understand why I am on everyone's list of possible scum at this point.

Natirasha considering you investigated Nab/GW night one and found one/both innocent why do you now think they're scum.

Also Natirasha can you please clarify in your post above which "SensFan"'s are actually supposed to be SL's?

[Crub]

Who was Celebloki cleared by?

[Crub]

lulz Awesome Pants.

Anyway I think if we have one scum left it's probably armlx.
If we have 1 scum from each family left it's probably nat and sens.
If we have a group of 3 scum it's probably Nab+GW+SL.

To me they're the only combinations that make sense.

Sens why so eager to shoot me?

[Crub]

SensFan did you investigate Awesome Pants and find him with me guilty?

[Crub]

No, my point is ours in general haven't been 100% proven useless, but Awesome's have. Cop sanities and what not.

He fingered CyberBob night 0 correctly.

[Crub]

SensFan who did you investigate Night 0?

[Crub]

vote: Singing Librarian

[Crub]

Everyone I assume, it happens automatically by the mod when you daykill a townie.

[Crub]

*sigh*

Whatever. I've got no idea to be honest. I've got a feeling Sens is scum, I've also got a feeling Armlx could be scum.

[Crub]

How is anyone confirmed?

[Crub]

How is anyone confirmed?

Gee, I dunno. It's not like I'm a Cop, there's already a corrupt Cop exposed, the mayor trusted me, and I had a masonry with a confirmed Cop.

Yeah, you're right, I really don't see why I would be more or less confirmed.

I am right. Yes theres already a corrupt Cop exposed, doesn't that add credence to the possibility that out of the exorbitant amount of cops we had 2 could be corrupt? And Surye has already exposed how good a judge of alignment he was by being incorrect more often than he was correct. Also I don't see why just because you went and visited another cop Night 0 how does that make you innocent. I went and visited a confirmed cop night 0 also but unlucky for me he was actually out night 0 investigating like a cop should be.

[Crub]

SF is not cleared, Armlx is especially not cleared.

[Crub]

I have to ask, Crub. Why the singing?

Boredom + Disillusionment + Why Not?

In the past I've either tried to make contact with someone and failed or sat in my house like a frightened mouse.

I guess you were investigating me?

[Crub]

Another scenario is that everything in the papers is a lie, since the "corrupted police office" is apparently untrustworthy. Ergo, We're at square one.

You don't count DGB as being part of the Corrupted Police office?

[Crub]

So that leaves Crub (waiting on GW's results),and NN (possible, but unlikely compared to crub).

What are you waiting on GW for, it's pretty bloody obvious that I spent the entire night dancing in the streets singing "Singin in the Rain".

Honestly you are the biggest suspect IMO at this point in time.

[Crub]

If we no lynch I think we should group up into groups of 2. However I think we will end up with Happily ever after like Nab says if we do that because it will be too risky.

The groups should be assigned by town consensus.

[Crub]

I do not agree with Sens+Nat being together, simply because I think it's a possibility that Sens+Nat could be scum. To me it makes some sort of sense for the two scum factions to have a dirty cop each. Sens also insisting that he go with Nat also makes me feel uneasy about it. We're trying to set up a situation where either we all live happily ever after or we out one scum at the expense of one town.

[Crub]

Why should we trust your plan? Why should Nat trust you? How did you pot luck a cop night 0 who also didn't leave his house?

These are all things that have been bugging me.

[Crub]

lulz

[Crub]

Why should we trust your plan? Why should Nat trust you? How did you pot luck a cop night 0 who also didn't leave his house?

This is the part that makes it obv.

The fact that you are not questioning these things is worrying. How can any townie at this point assume that anyone is not scum?

[Crub]

5/25 Cops is within reality?

[Crub]

Also are you saying that you don't find it odd at all that an innocent cop randomly picked out of 24 other people the 1 other innocent cop who didn't happen to go out night 0 to investigate by chance?

[Crub]

How any townie can honestly answer yes to that I don't know.

6/25 Cops if you include the SK.

[Crub]

NOTE THAT HE DID NOT DIE OVERNIGHT!

Thats what I said.

Where?

[Crub]

Also I'm not "spreading fear" I'm asking valid questions that any townie should want to know that answer to. Since when do townies get to assume the alignment of anyone during endgame?

[Crub]

how do you know the setup so well to be able to define what's absurd?

[Crub]

Crub's insistence that it's a Nat/Sens scumpair is noted.

I'm not insisting anything, I'm saying it's something that should be considered as possible.

[Crub]

so I spend a night out in the open making as much noise as I canand that makes me more likely to be scum

[Crub]

Lulz @ My theory of Sens and Nat both being scum "Absurd"

[Crub]

* When I doubted he was Scum, Nat confirmed himself based on the wording of his PM. Probably a first that the Scum gained an advantage from the wording of the PMs!

Also surely quoting from your Role PM to confirm yourself to an opponent is playing outside the rules