Pikmin Mafia - Game over

[Gorrad]

I'm confirming by PM AND in thread. So there.

[Gorrad]

For once, I completely agree.

Vote: UltimaAvalon

[Gorrad]

ZS, you shouldn't have the ability to edit this thread.

EBWOP= edit by way of post.

[Gorrad]

Wow, this game is going to totally bomb at the rate this logic is going. I REALLY want to think that GS wasn't slipping up, I hate relying on slip-ups for scumhunting, but I don't see how that can be interpretted as he says it is.

Unvote, Vote: GS

Also, Shin did something that's not exactly an uncommon tactic. I don't really LIKE it, but fishing to draw an obvious fakeclaim is not so much a scum tell as a rather stupid, risky move.

Remember Shin, if your tactic is to take advantage of stupid scum, be prepared for them to actually be stupid town. If you had done that to a stupid power role, we'd be in hot water.

[Gorrad]

HAHA...Don't get your panties in a bunch just yet. You pikmins are way too uptight. No wonder mod called you stupid.

No I'm a pikmin alright, just not a stupid pikmin like the mod called you all.

Explain the contradiction I'm seeing here, please.

I endorse this post.

I endorse that post more. Ha. I win.

[Gorrad]

Agreed. The GS thing is frankly really confusing me, but no matter how I look at it I don't like Zombie.

Unvote, Vote: Zombieslayer54

[Gorrad]

UA has self-voted in, iirc, every game we've been in together. All you relatively new players: Go look up Team Asshat in the wiki. If someone's on that list, their play will be significantly...different...than the average player.

[Gorrad]

Hey Zombie, now would be a good time to claim, given how many votes are on you. If you REALLY think you can get off at this point, provide a good scumlist with points no one else has said. So play REALLY well or be lucky enough to have a good claim.

[Gorrad]

Ooooooh, JDodge, I have a personal Scumtell? I'd like to hear this one.

[Gorrad]

I can post you four cases if anyone feels the need to bitch about me using four votes. There is no reason for anyone to not commit to everyone they find suspicious.

I'm holding you to this, JDodge, only I want to see one of the cases- the one on me.

[Gorrad]

Vote: JDodge

. I wanna know my own scumtell, TYVM.

[Gorrad]

Vote: sonickid01

, missed that post earlier.

[Gorrad]

Hey Hasd, welcome to the party. Thoughts?

[Gorrad]

I'm definitely good with some more GS leaning.

Vote: Greasy Spot

.

[Gorrad]

I'm definitely good with some more Gorrad leaning. Again, he is striking from the shadows with a vote on someone on whom pressure is building.

The funny thing about pressure is that it tends to build on people who deserve it. I'm not on every bandwagon, not even close. I'm voicing agreement.

[Gorrad]

I like MBF's pictures. They be shiny.

[Gorrad]

Vote: JamesThePhox for the above, + other vibes. I just don't see a townie thinking that way.

I think townies, or any town faction role, have to look at all possibilities. You can't blame someone for trying to help the town figure out roles.

Sure you can.

[Gorrad]

I don't. It can be used very effectively as a scumtell. Now isn't one of those times, however.

[Gorrad]

On another note,

vote: Xdaamno

for not taking votes seriously enough today.

While this is right, its ironic you would be the one to say it. xd's play has been.... lacking to say the least this game, though if my IRC experience is worth anything its a town tell from him.

I assure you, all my votes are

very

serious.

And we're to take you at your word on that, then?

[Gorrad]

GS for his slip, which has been covered (I still can't see how that can be interpretted as he claims), as well as for generally being unhelpful

JDodge for not revealing whatever supposed tell he has against me

Sonickid- for UROE's 193

[Gorrad]

I don't have a huge problem with the hammer, that's why. It's a bad sign, but not really worth mentioning. He was impatient or scum, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in this one.

[Gorrad]

L-2. GS, I'd claim if I were you.

[Gorrad]

I'll be leaving today for another week-long trip in about an hour. But that's the last time I'll be away from home for a while, thankfully. I'll make a short post with whatever I can type in a few minutes.

Why are we still going on about the "you pikmin" thing? I honestly believe it was no more than a joke and some paranoia. Granted, I don't have a whole lot of mafia experience, but can anyone tell me any game in which a similar thing has happened and the person turned out to be scum?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 699#927699

[Gorrad]

No one has talked since the placement of the deadline.

Vote: Greasy Spot

for the hammer of the Purple Pikmin, ZS. And for other past scum vibes.

I'll be busy this week, Mod. Don't replace me, please.

Phox, you also voted for ZS and never removed your vote. Very hypocritical to have your vote on ZS and call me out for voting him too.

The same goes for Gorrad. You also voted ZS but failed to remove your vote from even after stating to everyone that he was at L-1.

So no I will not claim until I here valid reasons from every member on my bandwagon.

I believe I've already said I don't have a huge problem with the hammer. I'd have liked to hear a claim first, but one wasn't looking likely. That said, I simply cannot see his 'slip' the way he's claiming to have said it. It makes no sense to me that way.

[Gorrad]

Simple. In Uprising, my 'slip' was clarified and accepted by the town. I was able to explain it in a way that made everyone undersand and accept what I meant. Here, I cannot possibly see his slip in the light he's trying to show it in.

[Gorrad]

But if you say 'you people are pissing me off', you're alienating yourself from the people who are doing the pissing off. In this case, he's alienating himself from the stupid pikmin.

For Zombie, I thought them both scum and, seeing that Zombie was more likely to be the lynch, swapped accordingly.

[Gorrad]

I'm very unimpressed with the continued pressing of the slip. It was worth pointing out and seeing if he would explode under pressure, but he didn't and I would expect pro-town players to have moved on by now.

Ping Ping goes the scumdar

[Gorrad]

Windkirby has two votes in place. JDodge has five.

[Gorrad]

No, I never said that. I'm just saying you're making a comparison here to try and draw attention to Windkirby in an illogical way.

Confirm vote: Greasy Spot

[Gorrad]

My vote's on JDodge because it seems like he's looking for excuses to give out votes. I mean, if you have so many votes everywhere, what's the point? If he neared a lynch though, I'd probably consider unvoting.

Why would you call out someone for multiple voting but then say you would unvote him to stop a lynch? Hypocrite? or just scum?

Seriously. Can we lynch this guy yet?

[Gorrad]

This is L-2. Traditionally, GS, now is the time to claim.

[Gorrad]

I didn't think that he was just as likely to be scum, but GS wasn't going to be the lynch.

For JDodge, I saw at least where he was coming from with the other three. But when he votes me for some misteeeeeerious reason, I'd bloody well like to hear it.

[Gorrad]

Heh, I'm at L-2 already?

Yellow Pikmin with Bombrock. Electric immune, one-shot vig.

[Gorrad]

Hey, then DON'T believe it, I'm cool with that. Whichever of JDodge/GS isn't lynched today, I'll take care of 'em tonight. 'Kay?

[Gorrad]

Ok, let me rephrase- I'll kill whoever's second in votes after lynch.

[Gorrad]

See the post directly following.

[Gorrad]

Um, ok, sure. Sounds good to me.

[Gorrad]

L-1, about 4.5 hours to go.

[Gorrad]

As stated, I blew up the person with the second most votes. Happy?

[Gorrad]

Make sure there's no enemies in the OTHER game with asplosions.

Unvote, Vote: Greasy Spot

. May as well pick up where we left off.

[Gorrad]

Don't worry GW, I got this one for you.

Yo Kison, GS is scum. We should totally lynch him!

[Gorrad]

Frankly, I could see either right now. Decent preference for a GS-lynch though.

[Gorrad]

I'm giving Armlx benefit of the doubt for now. I can see him doing what he claims.

The puffy blowhog blew Flameaxe off the map, naturally. I blew JD up, not off.

[Gorrad]

It's certainly a good basis for my suspicion. There's also the whole Sonickid connection, can't overlook that.

[Gorrad]

Say what, the blunt claim? It's typically what I do. At L-2, I claim. I'll do softclaiming beforehand, sure, but when I'm that far run up I see no reason to beat around the bush or wait until people call for the claim.

See Portal Mafia.

[Gorrad]

Claus, there ARE no exploding enemies.

[Gorrad]

I'm here, I'm here. Hey JD, you realise that your meta is BS now?

[Gorrad]

A) The slip. I don't believe his explanation of it.

B) Sonickid's blatant ties with him.

C) To a very minor extent, the hammer. I can see a townie doing that.

[Gorrad]

Correct.

[Gorrad]

Honestly, given what I saw of Sonickid, I'd say scum.

[Gorrad]

Ok, that's cool with me. You think what you like and I'll think what I like.

[Gorrad]

I have yet to see any believable evidence otherwise, so yes.

[Gorrad]

I have yet to see any believable evidence otherwise, so yes.

Gorrad, if you weren't confirmed, I would think you are scum.

See 665

[Gorrad]

Now now, greasy scum, remember- when JD has a tell on someone, he doesn't need to explain it. It doesn't even matter if they're confirmed town! He has found scum!

[Gorrad]

Now now, greasy scum, remember- when JD has a tell on someone, he doesn't need to explain it. It doesn't even matter if they're confirmed town! He has found scum!

This post is funny and wrong at the same time.

I concur.

[Gorrad]

Gone to A-Kon until late Sunday/mid monday

[Gorrad]

I'm back. I'd normally like Kirby's vote, but the fact that he's acting the same way he did in his last incarnation of town makes me think he's just being mule-headed.

[Gorrad]

Not particularly, no. I just don't think he's as scummy as GS.

[Gorrad]

*headdesk*. JDodge, please understand. You're saying you're promoting discussion, yet are not bringing up posts to discuss. This isn't clever. It's not useful. It's being a hypocrite. To expect ANYONE to follow your lead acting that way is absurd. That said, I hate to admit it but the fact that you acted JUST as scummy D1 has made it so that I cannot in good faith vote you for acting like this.

On top of this, keep in mind that cases are what help us improve. By NOT posting a case, you're screwing over someone who could use the advice in later games. And that's just being a jackass.

[Gorrad]

That...is a surprisingly good point. Let me look into it a bit, see if I agree.

Y'see? Was that so hard?

[Gorrad]

Frikkin' deadline.

Unvote, Vote: Windkirby

[Gorrad]

Gorrad, I skimmed through your posts and you never seemed to care for my lynch previously. You in fact even defended (or at least agreed with) me twice during day two. Why have you decided you'd like your name on my lynch?

Because you're a better lynch at this point than JtP, and it's deadline.

[Gorrad]

Also, he makes it sound as though he HAD to make someone yellow N2, but claims he had full control over the color. Yeah, I chose the right wagon.

[Gorrad]

...did windkirby just out his partners?

[Gorrad]

Vote: Armlx

[Gorrad]

JDodge was killed. There's no reason JDodge should have been killed, especially over ME (confirmed innocent). Who was JDodge pushing? You.

[Gorrad]

...epiphany

Everyone needs to claim their color right now. Order...by the first page

Gorrad
Xdaamno
GhostWriter
skitzer
Kison
armlx
Greasy Spot
JamesThePhox
Claus
The Jester
dcorbe
Nightson

I might have just broken this game

I'm first, coincidentally, so I will restate that I am yellow. Y'all who will, inevitably, argue that we're giving up an asset here- the possibility of scum actually targetting someone with the corrisponding color is small enough that it's not worth saving compared to what we could gain from this.

[Gorrad]

Oh? So far the only power role we've seen is me, and I'm still yellow.

[Gorrad]

Hmm, we'll see. I've managed to crack the setup. I'm 85% sure of it. I will definitely not say any more than that, as doing so allows the scum to organise their claims.

[Gorrad]

Ok, up next is XDaamno. Color?

[Gorrad]

Meh. I was just coming in to check on this thread, anyway.

Colour claims seem like a good idea in theory, but mike will likely have proofed them to an extent.

That's great. You're up next!

[Gorrad]

I'm fine with it. Just wanted to know how it helps, which I believe was ignored.

For good reason.

[Gorrad]

I was just wondering how claiming our colors helps. I don't recall going through a mass-claim yet.

There's a good reason for not telling you until it's over, so shhh.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad- Yellow
Xdaamno- Red
GhostWriter
skitzer
Kison
armlx
Greasy Spot
JamesThePhox
Claus
The Jester
dcorbe
Nightson

Ghostwriter is up, but on LA, so I think we should go ahead and go to Skitzer and have GW just claim when he's next on.

[Gorrad]

Wow. Not only did you claim out of order, you also managed to spell out perfectly what this would gain us, something I had SPECIFICALLY not mentioned earlier. I'd find this scummy as hell, but my meta on you says you act like this even as town.

[Gorrad]

Not exactly, Claus, wait for it.

[Gorrad]

You know, I think we gain more info than we lose by not having an order.

What? I disagree completely.

Same.

[Gorrad]

It's the one on the first post.

[Gorrad]

We wait for GS. In the meantime, I want everyone to read the wiki entries on Purple Pikmin and Anode Dweevils and try and see where I'm going with this. So far, it's been about where I expected.

[Gorrad]

That admittedly looks very bad, but I really do think I'm onto something here. It rides rather heavily on GS, unfortunately.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad- Yellow
Xdaamno- Red
GhostWriter - Red
skitzer - Blue
Kison - Blue
armlx - Blue
Greasy Spot- purple
JamesThePhox- white
Nightson- white
Claus- bulbmin
The Jester- Red
dcorbe - Red

ZombieSlayer54, Purple Pikmin, beaten to death Day 1
Flameaxe, Red Pikmin, blown off the map Night 1
farside22, Blue Pikmin, electrocuted Night 1
sonickid01, Puffy Blowhog, beaten to death Day 2
JDodge, Yellow Pikmin, blasted Night 2
hasdgfas, Yellow Pikmin, eaten Night 2
windkirby, Anode Dweevil, beaten to death Day 3
JDodge* PyroDwarf, Red Pikmin, eaten Night 3

Red:
Flameaxe
JDodge II
-----------
Xdaamno
Ghostwriter
Jester
dcorbe

Yellow:
JDodge
Hasdgfas
-----------
Gorrad

Blue:
Farside
-----------
Skitzer
Kison
Armlx

Purple:
ZombieSlayer
-----------
Greasy Spot

White:
-----------
JamesThePhox
Nightson

Bulbmin:
-----------
Claus

SK:
Sonickid
-----------

Mafia:
windkirby
-----------

[Gorrad]

Now, onto the analysis.

My speculated setup:
4 Red/Blue, 3 of the other to prevent total game-breaking (Or, more likely, one of the reds is a pro-town lying about their color)
3 Yellow
1 Bulbmin
2 White
2 Purple
Puffy Blowhog (no effect on Purple)
Anode Dweevil (No effect on Yellow)
Munge Dweevil (No effect on White)
Caustic Dweevil (No effect on Blue)
Fiery Dweevil (No effect on Red)

The four Dweevils are Mafia, the Blowhog is SK. There are only two purple/white because they would be assumed to be special, while they are not intrinsicly (I don't see why they couldn't still have a power role).

Claus I'm wary of. If he's telling the truth, he's unNKable now that the Blowhog is dead. If he's lying, then the setup is 4/4/3, not 4/3/3 with the main colors.

Now, keep in mind that there are exactly three Yellow, all confirmed. I don't think our setup would be highly uneven to make the red have two more then normal. Therefore, I highly suggest our lynch be one of those four.

When I thought the setup broken, I thought it would be three of each color plus the five enemies mentioned. Also, important to mention- we now have the colors completely in the open. If there are two kills in a future night, then the poisoner is mafia with the Blowhog. If there are more than three, we're dealing with multiple SKs, but I don't find that likely.

All that said, I'm going to

Vote: Xdaamno

, on the reasoning that people later on the claim list would be less likely to fakeclaim such a full color.

[Gorrad]

All that said, I'm going to Vote: Xdaamno, on the reasoning that people later on the claim list would be less likely to fakeclaim such a full color.

What are your thoughts on JtP after that whole issue?

Not to outguess the mod, but I highly doubt we only have one white. JtP probably just got confused. Or, who knows, maybe there IS a white pikmin ability to kill those who kill them. Either way, our best bet is choosing from the claimed reds.

[Gorrad]

Not to outguess the mod, but I highly doubt we only have one white. JtP probably just got confused. Or, who knows, maybe there IS a white pikmin ability to kill those who kill them. Either way, our best bet is choosing from the claimed reds.

I lol'ed when you said the not to out guess the mod thing. You shouldn't do that when your entire plan is out guessing the mod.

Glad I could make you laugh. The thing is, say we managed to lynch all the scum but the Fiery Dweevil. The scum, by bad luck, had killed everyone but the reds and bulbmin. It could end up, by sheer luck, in a 1 scum, 4-7 town scenario with the scum not having any nightkills. If it's seven, that's not a situation that a mod would have the chance of happening. Therefore, at LEAST one of the claimed reds, I'd say two or three, are scum.

[Gorrad]

Actually...what do y'all think of the possibility of two scumgroups, one is the three elemental Dweevils, the other is Blowhog and Consumer. The Consumer can't effect White because of the poison. That would explain why there are only two purple and white-their group is smaller.

[Gorrad]

L-1. Someone unvote, stat.

FoS: Kison, The Jester

. Have y'all not read a thing I've said?

Actually, TJ's red.

Unvote, Vote: The Jester

[Gorrad]

I dislike JtP pressure. Nightson has the right idea, I'm looking forward to hearing more.

[Gorrad]

GS, shutting your trap would be prudent.

[Gorrad]

I continue to say that, based on the claims if NOTHING else, this lynch is incredibly stupid.

[Gorrad]

This is a completely idiotic wagon, and you're jumping on him for speculating about a role in a game that we already know has some freaky mechanics. Now find a claimed red and vote them! I know you Armlx, you're not an idiot. Stop acting like one.

[Gorrad]

There is a possibility that there are two scumgroups, Elemental Dweevils and the gobbler/blowhog. The other possibility is that there are four dweevils and a blowhog SK.

[Gorrad]

Red:
Flameaxe
JDodge II
-----------
Xdaamno
Ghostwriter
Jester
dcorbe

6 JamesThePhox (armlx, dcorbe, Greasy Spot, The Jester, Claus, Kison)

Vote: The Jester

[Gorrad]

Oh wait, was already voting him.../facepalm

[Gorrad]

Alright! Time to be doing what should have happened days ago.

Vote: The Jester

. One of the remaining 'red pikmin' is obviously scum, and his presence on the BS JtP wagon convinces me.

I'll be doing a readthrough of what I missed soon, though I've been trying to keep up as best I could.

[Gorrad]

Reposted and updated:

Xdaamno- Red
skitzer - Blue
Kison - Blue
armlx - Blue
Greasy Spot- purple
Nightson- white
The Jester- Red
dcorbe - Red

ZombieSlayer54, Purple Pikmin, beaten to death Day 1
Flameaxe, Red Pikmin, blown off the map Night 1
farside22, Blue Pikmin, electrocuted Night 1
sonickid01, Puffy Blowhog, beaten to death Day 2
JDodge, Yellow Pikmin, blasted Night 2
hasdgfas Miztef, Yellow Pikmin, eaten Night 2
windkirby, Anode Dweevil, beaten to death Day 3
JDodge* PyroDwarf, Red Pikmin, eaten Night 3
JamesThePhox, White Pikmin, beaten to death Day 4
Gorrad, Yellow Pikmin, burned and eaten Night 4
Porochaz, Red Pikmin beaten to death Day 5
Claus, Bulbmin, eaten Night 5
The Fonz, Red Pikmin. drowned Night 5

Red:
Flameaxe
JDodge II
Porochaz
The Fonz
-----------
Xdaamno
Jester

Yellow:
JDodge
Hasdgfas
Gorrad
-----------

Blue:
Farside
-----------
Skitzer
Kison
Armlx

Purple:
ZombieSlayer
-----------
Greasy Spot

White:
JamesThePhox
-----------
Nightson

Bulbmin:
Claus
-----------

Mafia 1:
Sonickid
-----------

Mafia 2:
windkirby
-----------

Ok, from this I think it's clear we DO have two mafias, thanks to the fact that someone has been eating people at night in place of blowing off the map (I'm assuming the elemental damage is from one mafia group, the dweevils).

Therefore, I'm going to say my previous analysis was slightly incorrect- we have four reds total, three of yellow, and two of white/purple/blue. Why they were stacked like this, I'm guessing the red/yellow dweevils have some sort of powers (keep in mind that my last incarnation did not reveal the bombrock on death.)

From that, I'm going to say that XDaamno and The Jester are both scum, as well as two of skitzer/kison/armlx. Of these, I'm most confident about Jester being scum, for reasons above.

[Gorrad]

Xdaamno- Red
skitzer - Blue
Kison - Blue
armlx - Blue
Gorrad- purple
Porochaz- white
The Jester- Red

Fixed.

[Gorrad]

Munge, Caustic, and Fiery Dweevils, plus something that eats (likely a bulborb of some sort.)

[Gorrad]

blown off the map Night 1
electrocuted Night 1
blasted Night 2
eaten Night 2
eaten Night 3
burned and eaten Night 4
eaten Night 5
drowned Night 5

N1: Puffy and Anode
N2: My Kill and Bulborb
N3: Bulborb
N4: Bulborb and Fiery
N5: Bulborb and Caustic

Ok, so from here I'm thinking it's Bulborb/Puffy and the Dweevils as the two groups, but it could also theoretically be Anode/Bulborb.

[Gorrad]

Less immunities for the smaller group.

[Gorrad]

*Prodded* Happy with XD hate for previously stated reasons. Like Jester hate more, but can go for either. Hint- Jester was on terminally stupid JTP wagon. I would be shocked if all/most of the scum weren't on there.

[Gorrad]

Noted

[Gorrad]

I'm with Armlx here. Defending is all well and good, but mafia is not a game of defense.

[Gorrad]

/facepalm

Scum desperation move.

If anyone gets pissed at me for hammering, keep in mind that I think BOTH claimed reds are scum. I just prefer a Jester lynch that isn't happening today.

Vote: Xdaamno

[Gorrad]

5 red pikmin dead. There's not a chance there's a sixth.

Vote: The Jester

.

[Gorrad]

I find you suspicous for other reasons as well. See example stupid JtP wagon. Seriously, that's among the worst wagons I've seen. And other reasons, but I won't go into those unless required.

[Gorrad]

I don't like you, Kison, or armlx for it. You have the bonus of being a claimed red when more reds than I estimated have turned up. Therefore, my attentions are focussed on you. Let me put it this way- I have absolutely no doubt you are scum. I'll probably tunnelvision you for it the rest of the day, until you are lynched. Every sign I can think of points to you. Savvy?

[Gorrad]

...Days?!? Ok, but I'm expecting bloody good analysis.

[Gorrad]

Your reason is that he was outguessing his role? Wow. Guess what, I got the same role as him. It's not exactly clarified. I see where he made his mistake. Hardly his fault, and that y'all jumped on him that hard on it was, as I've stated and restated, stupid.

[Gorrad]

Bam. You caught me. I figured the best case scenario here was a happily ever after anyhow, thanks to GS's terrible choice in claiming.

I'm taking y'all down with me.

I'm a member of the 2-man mafia. Scum are night kill immune. I targetted Jester. Porochaz is the other because hey, GS made a bloody stupid claim. There is one each of white and purple. My original setup was very close to being dead-on.

Good job pointing that out, Jester. Ya screwed us both.

[Gorrad]

I should clarify- I'm a member of what WAS the two person group, not the group currently consisting of Chaz and Jester.

[Gorrad]

Lynch me, and y'all are screwed. Lynch Jester or Chaz, and there's a 50% chance we target the same person.

Unless, for example, I said that I'd target Skitzer and they'd target Armlx. Like I just did. To give us the HEA.

So yeah, town's screwed. Sorry!

[Gorrad]

Actually, town cannot win this unless the other mafia doesn't target Armlx or Kison Sorry!

[Gorrad]

That was when I was town, remember? And that plan is what screwed me (mafia) over. So hey, whatever. Town- Vote for me if you want the dweevils to win, vote for Jester if you want both scum teams to win. And seriously, the more winners, the more people happy. Happiness is good!

[Gorrad]

I win when there are no Pikmin left.

Oh, hey! That's cool.

Unvote, Vote: Skitzer

Care to join me?

[Gorrad]

Hey, I was wrong on one count. Ah well.