Pikmin Mafia - Game over

[Kison]

Let's look at it this way - any statement that anyone can make can be interpreted in an infinite number of ways. Perhaps by "you Pikmin" he meant "I really really want a tuna sandwich". Or "A priest molested me when I was a young boy". The possibility is existant; does that make them right?

There are two

obvious

interpretations to what he said :

1) "You Pikmin" as you suggested - "You people," where he is defining a group of Pikmin excluding himself
2) "You Pikmin" as many seemed to interpret - "You damn kids!" where he is

targeting

a group that he is already excluded from.

Yes, some fool could interpret it as some other completely bogus meaning, but these are the two

obvious

interpretations, each as likely as the other. Think it's not obvious? Look at the number of folks who interpreted it as the second meaning(Pages 2 and 3), and get back to me with your wild theory that I'm manipulating this to fit my needs.

Again back to basic mafia psychology - the lying explanation, malice and all, fits you best in this situation. Anyone who is looking to understand why I did what I did would realize exactly what I intended with that statement if they read it not looking for something to attack.

I suppose that's for everyone else to decide, but there's a part of me that thinks you're making that explanation up on the spot. You lied and it didn't exactly go according to plan. Sucks.

[JDodge]

Not with the adamancy that you did. And furthermore, they have not commented since I posted my possibility with the exception of Miztef. And even furthermore, I would assume that the most likely person to get this is you - the American. It's a more American expression IIRC - Miztef, being Canadian, has a lovely excuse for not getting it. You don't.

Now, let's consider the whole "making up an explanation" argument. Have you tried to read through and find the explanation? What does my refusal to explain imply in your mind?

[Kison]

And even furthermore, I would assume that the most likely person to get this is you - the American. It's a more American expression IIRC - Miztef, being Canadian, has a lovely excuse for not getting it. You don't.

What am I

not

getting? It seems like you're the one who's having a hard time grasping that the two interpretations that I presented are equally valid(the second of which seems to be the popular one around here). So please, tell me what I'm not getting, because I'm utterly confused at this point.

Now, let's consider the whole "making up an explanation" argument. Have you tried to read through and find the explanation? What does my refusal to explain imply in your mind?

The "making up an explanation" is a direct referrance to the

convenient

cover-up you presented for why you lied about me saying I was certain that GS was scum. It's not that you are refusing to explain, it's that I think your explanation is rubbish.

[windkirby]

Umm... Does anyone else think that JDodge is going a little too far with this? kison was doing useful pressuring in my opinion. kison and i were just in a game where the scum slipped like that. anyway, discussion is good for the town, and jd seemed to be discouraging it a bit.

vote: JDodge

[Xdaamno]

Random

Vote: Blazerunner

Hi.

[mikeburnfire]

Day 1 Vote Count
With 20 alive, it will take *8* votes to lynch

4 Greasy Spot (farside22, armlx, GhostWriter, Gorrad)
4 Shin Hatsubai (Kison, UROE, ZombieSlayer54, Blazerunner)
2 UltimaAvalon (UltimaAvalon, Flameaxe)
2 armlx (Greasy Spot, PyroDwarf)
1 Kison (JDodge)
1 JDodge (windkirby)
1 Blazerunner (Xdaamno)

5 Not Voting (Miztef, JamesThePhox, skitzer, Shin Hatsubai, sonickid01)

[sonickid01]

Can't post anything right now.

However, I will be going for a few days.

[Greasy Spot]

HAHA...Don't get your panties in a bunch just yet. You pikmins are way too uptight. No wonder mod called you stupid.

Just to clarify what I have already stated, What I was trying to say here was that

the

Pikmins that would get their panties in a wad because I put a 3rd vote on someone were the

stupid

Pikmins the mod was talking about and I was not a stupid pikmin so I was excluding myself from that group. It was all in fun and not to be taken any other way.

I also mentioned in another post that I had no prior knowledge of anything Pikmin before this game. I had no reason to assume we were not all Pikmins, just good or bad.

[GhostWriter]

BTW,

Unvote: Greasy Spot

, since that vote was nothing more than a catalyst to further invoke discussion., which has happened. I don't believe you're particularly guilty of anything other than not knowing about the game. It wasn't too mainstream... it WAS a Gamecube game, after all, and outside of Mario, SSBM, Metroid and Zelda, not much was known about that system's games unless you owned the system. But you might want to do a quick read up on Pikmin. Not the actual storyline, per se, but the different colored Pikmin, and their enemies throughout the game. It might help in the long run.

[JDodge]

And even furthermore, I would assume that the most likely person to get this is you - the American. It's a more American expression IIRC - Miztef, being Canadian, has a lovely excuse for not getting it. You don't.

What am I

not

getting? It seems like you're the one who's having a hard time grasping that the two interpretations that I presented are equally valid(the second of which seems to be the popular one around here). So please, tell me what I'm not getting, because I'm utterly confused at this point.

You have not proven equal validity.

And you know damn well what I meant by "you don't have an excuse for not getting it", stop playing dumb.

Now, let's consider the whole "making up an explanation" argument. Have you tried to read through and find the explanation? What does my refusal to explain imply in your mind?

The "making up an explanation" is a direct referrance to the

convenient

cover-up you presented for why you lied about me saying I was certain that GS was scum. It's not that you are refusing to explain, it's that I think your explanation is rubbish.

It's a lie, yes. It's a perfectly explainable through logical reasoning lie. Why are you ignoring

that

?

[PyroDwarf]

woah, lots of posts. I'll read and post content around noon(gmt-8)

[Kison]

You have not proven equal validity.

Proven? No. Presented an argument? Yes. Have you refuted that argument? No. Have many others shown indication that the second interpretation is logically valid? Pages 2 & 3 suggest yes.

And you know damn well what I meant by "you don't have an excuse for not getting it"

I already said I didn't :

So please, tell me what I'm not getting, because I'm utterly confused at this point.

As much as you don't seem to want to believe it, playing dumb wouldn't benefit me. So you pretty much have two options:

1) Clarify the statement you made, and I'll respond.
2) Refuse to clarify, and keep on picking at this dry bone of an argument you have here.

Your choice.

It's a lie, yes. It's a perfectly explainable through logical reasoning lie. Why are you ignoring

that

?

Here's your justification :

Ha.

Knew you'd attack that instead of going after the actual argument.

Glad to see that worked so well. I'm more sure that you're scum than you are that anyone is, frankly.

And I know you were never certain that he was scum.

- Pointing out

a blatant lie

isn't even scummy in the first place. I'm going to do that either as town or as scum.
- I presented the second response moments after you responded, foiling your supposed trap(which, again, is complete crap) that you were

so sure

would work .
- You still haven't even explained how singling that out is scummy - I've seen people do it as town and as scum all the time, so until you show proof that it's more commonly done by scum, your supposed plan is pretty much unfounded, and therefore a rubbish excuse for what you did.

Unvote

Vote : JDodge

Lying = scummy.
Lying with claimed intention of doing so and poor justification = very scummy.

<3

[ZombieSlayer54]

Hmm...

Unvotes Shin Hatsubai

Votes JDodge

Very scummy, indeed.

[Xdaamno]

Hmm...

Unvotes Shin Hatsubai

Votes JDodge

Very scummy, indeed.

I don't even want to respond to this. I mean, it's just too easy

[Flameaxe]

Unvote, vote zombieslayer

Mhmm...

Kison be less dumb, please.

[Kison]

You're very much free to point out how I'm being dumb, Flameaxe.

[windkirby]

I'm with Kison on this one, brah.

[armlx]

Zombie seems odd. At first he's reluctant to vote, but now he has just wagonned twice.

[farside22]

Zombie seems odd. At first he's reluctant to vote, but now he has just wagonned twice.

QFT. I'm not liking how quickly he does it either.

unvote: vote: ZombieSlayer54

[Gorrad]

Agreed. The GS thing is frankly really confusing me, but no matter how I look at it I don't like Zombie.

Unvote, Vote: Zombieslayer54

[armlx]

After some consideration while I'm not marathoning and/or studying, and looking back at CotI and Muffin there, Zombie's behavior definitely lines up with newbie scum, not just newbie.

Unvote, Vote Zombie

[armlx]

Errr, EBWODP, didn't realize CotI was still ongoing. Sorry. All the things I referenced in that game are about dead players, but if the mod feels the example shouldn't be discussed, feel free edit it out.

To summarize, Muffin was new, did the same "Don't want to vote, ok wagon time" and turned up scum.

[skitzer]

Does anyone know why the votes to lynch is only 8?

I thought this was interesting.

[farside22]

Does anyone know why the votes to lynch is only 8?

I thought this was interesting.

Because us Pikmin's are stupid and don't know how to count.

[GhostWriter]

I'm assuming flavor. And I'll

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

for jumping between wagons right after a post where an OMGUS vote was placed, albeit with reasons.