Flameaxe 2 (Ether, Machiavellian-Mafia)
Ether 2 (Gorrad, Miztef)
Machiavellian-Mafia 1 (scotmany12)
Not Voting: Sir Tornado, Flameaxe, populartajo, The Jester, Incognito, Patrick, Your Worst Nightmare
12 alive, 7 to lynch.
Filtering my predecessor's posts indicates that his most recent vote was on M-M, not Flameaxe--just, apparently unvotes are mandatory. (Now, youPost 212, Miztef on Akonas wrote:He spends his efforts voting flameaxe, with a completely hypocritical reason. He even contradicts his own point by saying flameaxe has made a few good points and that a lot of people are posting one-liners.
To me, this is scum trying to make themselves look good after the lynch happens.
Eh, his posts aren't that great but there are several worse offenders to my mind. At least I know who he suspects.Ether wrote:Having said that, I agree that Ever needs to give his opinions. Gogogo.
This is a silly evasive thing to say coming up to deadline. He's clearly explained what he thinks the inconsistency is in your play. Now, you might not agree with him, and you might have a reason why you say the two situations were different, but it's pretty obvious what he wants explaining, and this answer looks almost deliberately obtuse. I don't know if you're scum or you just have a playstyle that drives me nuts, but I don't like it.populartajo wrote:What inconsistency? I dont find any.
You know, I'll have settled into perfectly readable behavior by Day 2.Post 228, Patrick wrote:I could go for Ether as well, albeit with some guilt because she's just replaced in.
I would not be lending my vote to a Flameaxe wagon. I know he hasn't really contributed much in typical Flameaxe fashion, but I'm actually getting a decent vibe coming from him and the stances he's taken with some of the arguments.Patrick wrote:I could go for Ether as well, albeit with some guilt because she's just replaced in. Incognito, have you got any further read on Flameaxe?
I disagree with the above and have a much more sinister read of populartajo. After reading through what populartajo mentioned around the time of the Gorrad-wagon, I don't get the feeling that he was attempting to intimidate anyone off of his wagon at all - I feel like he was ready and willing to lend his support to it:Ether wrote:Tajo's hyperdefensiveness doesn't bother me. His one-twos did--but they were so over the top that they read more as an attempt to intimidate people off of the Gorradwagon than to get Gorrad lynched as town and prepare a Patrick/Incognito/Miztef lynch for tomorrow. Especially because he didn't vote Gorrad himself. If Gorrad's town, I can't see the one-twos as sinister, either.
Asking for the VC before voting seemed like a really bad attempt to seem pro-town to me, especially considering everything he mentioned before asking for the vote-count (voicing concern over Incog, Patrick, and Miztef on the possible Gorrad-town wagon but ready and willing to lend support to it after receiving a vote count?).populartajo wrote:Basically I agree with a Gorrard lynch. I havent liked for a while and his buddys (Flameaxe and scotmany) seem to have taken a vacation to brawl lands.But, I'd like a VC before, please.
Who's Ever?Ether wrote:Having said that, I agree that Ever needs to give his opinions. Gogogo.
*Shrug* I haven't paid that much attention to M-M. I agree that he's been taking the Flameaxe 4 votes thing too far, and that on page 8 it shouldn't be a real factor at all. Haven't seen anything else notable from him, and he has at least weighed in on a few other issues. I'd vote him if necessary, but without too much excitement. I can identify with reads being in flux, as I've been feeling rather wishy washy since Gorrad claimed. I'll check your comment on Miztef a bit later, because this background noise at the moment is making it difficult to think straight.Ether wrote:How's what I have done?
Heh.Ether wrote:You know, I'll have settled into perfectly readable behavior by Day 2.
Similar issues here. He's tweaked my gut all game, because he seems like he's trying hard to fit in and buddying up a little, and he does seem to contradict himself a bit, but he gave me the exact same feeling in Communique Mafia and he was a townie there. I might look for games where he was scum if I get time, but no promises.Tornado wrote:Miztef is a bit problematic case for me. I have played with him before, and he contradicted the hell out of himself then (he was town), so I am giving him a lot of benefit of doubt here.
Answer to what? Really, ask me any questions (or quote them) and Ill give you an answer.Patrick wrote:Populartajo, I find it irritating how you seem to be tagging on the, "Hey guys, chill, I wasn't attacking you that hard" disclaimer onto alot of what you say rather than giving a straight answer
Why are you basing your suspicions in a conversation and in a current disagreement with another player? I havent seen him asking about this quote of mine. I dont see any inconsestincy and if he wants to ask then let him ask me, Ill be happy to answer.Patrick wrote:This is a silly evasive thing to say coming up to deadline. He's clearly explained what he thinks the inconsistency is in your play. Now, you might not agree with him, and you might have a reason why you say the two situations were different, but it's pretty obvious what he wants explaining, and this answer looks almost deliberately obtuse.
Its prob the playstyle. Im still trying to define it. For now, I dont like something, I throw it at the table.Patrick wrote: I don't know if you're scum or you just have a playstyle that drives me nuts, but I don't like it.
WARNING. Theory time;:Patrick wrote:Vote: populartajo. Who do you think is a good lynch today?
I was willing to lend my support to it, I found it a decent bandwagon for reasons stated but I simply wanted a VC before voting. Is it wrong to ask for a vote count? I dint know it.Incognito wrote: I disagree with the above and have a much more sinister read of populartajo. After reading through what populartajo mentioned around the time of the Gorrad-wagon, I don't get the feeling that he was attempting to intimidate anyone off of his wagon at all - I feel like he was ready and willing to lend his support to it:
I think your the 2nd person to ask that... why wouldn't I have, and why does it matter. For clarity's sake, I did isolate them, are you saying that may have clouded my view?Patrick wrote:Miztef, did you isolate all of Akonas's posts?
Similar issues here. He's tweaked my gut all game, because he seems like he's trying hard to fit in and buddying up a little, and he does seem to contradict himself a bit, but he gave me the exact same feeling in Communique Mafia and he was a townie there. I might look for games where he was scum if I get time, but no promises.Tornado wrote:Miztef is a bit problematic case for me. I have played with him before, and he contradicted the hell out of himself then (he was town), so I am giving him a lot of benefit of doubt here.
Your point b.) is a clear misrepresentation. I have made it clear throughout the game that one main reason for my suspicion on flameaxe is the 4th vote thing, so there was no "sneaking" involved at all on my part. And since I have never played with flameaxe, I don't see the meta arguments defending flameaxe holding water.Ether wrote: For the sake of placing a vote, I'llunvote; vote: Machiavellian-Mafiafor a.) already having a vote on him and b.) sneaking that "sneaky 4th vote" into his reasons for voting Flameaxe onpage 8.The other two reasons would be valid...but due to Flameaxe's meta I'd see Flameaxe more as a policy "shit-we-have-48-hours" lynch than as a #1 suspect.
1. If you are against lynching Ether, why do you stil lhave vote on her?Miztef wrote:I'm not sure if I like the tajo lynch yet, but deadline is approaching rapidly, so I would be willing to go there.
Patrick's statement about Ether is also true for me, I think killing a replacement too quickly doesn't help much, and the evidence against akonas wasn't all that fantastic anyways.
I think the MM vote is a little off the mark. I will lynch him if it comes down to it, but I really don't know how strong the evidence against him is.
I don't see how players who have similarities in the game so far would all be town if one of them in the group is town. For example in Group B, if Gorrad is protown gunsmith, I can easily see at least one the other three relatively inactive players as scum.populartajo wrote:WARNING. Theory time;:
Pick one of the followings groups. Big possibility of clearing the group if any of them comes up town. At this moment, and at the rate we're going, I think that we wont lynch a scum today, but lets try to pick the best lynch for today.
Group A : Patrick, Incognito, Miztef
Group B : Flameaxe, Gorrad, Scotmany, maybe Sir Tornado
Group C : M&M, YourWorstNightmare
Group D: Jester and Ether (still dont have a read on them)
I see your point on this bit. Eh. I'd go along with a Tajolynch, I guess, but it still seems odd that a newbie would try to throw doubt on you and then get soPost 231, Incognito wrote:I don't get the feeling that he was attempting to intimidate anyone off of his wagon at all - I feel like he was ready and willing to lend his support to it:populartajo wrote:Basically I agree with a Gorrard lynch. I havent liked for a while and his buddys (Flameaxe and scotmany) seem to have taken a vacation to brawl lands.But, I'd like a VC before, please.
I don't think that this these groupings can clear anyone.Post 235, Tajo wrote:WARNING. Theory time;:
Pick one of the followings groups. Big possibility of clearing the group if any of them comes up town. At this moment, and at the rate we're going, I think that we wont lynch a scum today, but lets try to pick the best lynch for today.
Group A : Patrick, Incognito, Miztef
Group B : Flameaxe, Gorrad, Scotmany, maybe Sir Tornado
Group C : M&M, YourWorstNightmare
Group D: Jester and Ether (still dont have a read on them)
You can add this to the current schedule of town or simply ignore it, but I think at this point of the game is a pretty interesting suggestion.
I asked because you accused my predecessor of hypocrisy over his reason for voting Flameaxe--but a glance through Akonas's posts would have shown that he was trying to vote M-M at the time, and just making an observation.Post 236, Miztef wrote:For clarity's sake, I did isolate them, are you saying that may have clouded my view?
The use of the word "sneaking" was just to make me look ironic and witty; this defense does not counter my actual point, which is that you're still using a random fourth vote as an attack on someone two weeks into the game.Post 237, M-M wrote:I have made it clear throughout the game that one main reason for my suspicion on flameaxe is the 4th vote thing, so there was no "sneaking" involved at all on my part. And since I have never played with flameaxe, I don't see the meta arguments defending flameaxe holding water.
Did you seriously just try to paint me as a mercy lynch?Post 237, M-M wrote:I'm selling: Ether for just replaced into game,
Buying/selling should be switched here:Post 237, M-M wrote:Wagons:
I'm buying: Flameaxe for reasons discussed tons of times before
I'm selling: Ether for just replaced into game, populartajo for his recent sufficient defense
I could be buying: Relative non-contributors, most notably scotmany and the jester
Current votecount wrote:Ether 2 (Gorrad, Miztef)
Machiavellian-Mafia 2 (scotmany12, Ether)
populartajo 2 (Patrick, Incognito)
Flameaxe 1 (Machiavellian-Mafia)
Not Voting: Sir Tornado, Flameaxe, populartajo, The Jester, Your Worst Nightmare
Yes, but you not scumhunting wasn't part of my attack on you. You attacked flameaxe for what you are also guilty of. That is why I said you were hypocritical with your attack on him.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:I could say pretty much the same things about you, scotmany:scotmany12 wrote:I really haven't seen him do much scumhunting either. He has mostly focused on pushing this 4th vote thing. Everyone but two on his analysis are either neutral or protown. So yeah, happy with my vote on him now.
I really haven't seen scotmany do much scumhunting either. He has only focused on me pushing this 4th vote thing. At least I announce my positions on everyone , while he has no positions on anyone else except me, so I can't even tell who scotmany feels neutral or protown about. So yeah, happy toFoS: scotmanynow.
See, reading is key. Anyways, Ether, do you want like me to do a list on the players in the game? Pretty sure you know I don't do that. Anyways, I plan on rereading tajo sometime. No time really now.scotmany12 wrote:I encountered a gunsmith in a large normal once. I don't doubt Gorrad's claim right now. I'm still ok with a lynch on MM. Mainly, I find his attack on Flameaxe opportunistic andhypocritical.
The whole point of my fourth vote suspicion was that I thought flameaxe's fourth vote was not random.Ether wrote:you're still using a random fourth vote as an attack on someone two weeks into the game
No, I believe in replacements having a clean slates unless there is overwhelming evidence against predecessors. Since obviously there isn't for Akonas, I don't find you suspicious right now and thus don't support your lynch.Ether wrote:Did you seriously just try to paint me as a mercy lynch?
*HEAD-DESK* *HEAD-DESK*populartajo wrote:I was willing to lend my support to it, I found it a decent bandwagon for reasons stated but I simply wanted a VC before voting. Is it wrong to ask for a vote count? I dint know it.Incognito wrote: I disagree with the above and have a much more sinister read of populartajo. After reading through what populartajo mentioned around the time of the Gorrad-wagon, I don't get the feeling that he was attempting to intimidate anyone off of his wagon at all - I feel like he was ready and willing to lend his support to it:
If I really wanted him lynched I simply could have written vote:Gorrad and it would have been fine. But, now you're suspecting me for asking VCs and not voting him? Really?
What makes you think he was just surprised and not some other such emotion?Ether wrote:I see your point on this bit. Eh. I'd go along with a Tajolynch, I guess, but it still seems odd that a newbie would try to throw doubt on you and then get sosurprisedby the recoil.
I lol'ed.Gorrad wrote:I find C. most likely, then B. minus myself, then D., then A. I also like how you left yourself out of all those groups then asked people for opinions.
Time for unvoting, I guess. Any more questions or doubts?Incognito wrote:*HEAD-DESK* *HEAD-DESK*
No comment.
I see where you (and others) are going. Let me explain this grouping.Ether wrote:I don't think that this these groupings can clear anyone.
Duh. Why would I put myself in my own scumhunting analysis?Gorrad wrote:I find C. most likely, then B. minus myself, then D., then A. I also like how you left yourself out of all those groups then asked people for opinions.
Good point.M&M wrote:I don't see how players who have similarities in the game so far would all be town if one of them in the group is town. For example in Group B, if Gorrad is protown gunsmith, I can easily see at least one the other three relatively inactive players as scum.
Again, what inconsistencies? what scummy behavior?Mistef wrote:Tajo: good lynch for today, there has been inconsistencies in his play and evidence for scummy behavior.
Pattern? Can you explain what doMistef wrote:I'm not sure if I like the tajo lynch yet, but deadline is approaching rapidly, so I would be willing to go there.
Oh. Um. I misinterpretted "selling"; fair enough.Post 242, M-M wrote:No, I believe in replacements having a clean slates unless there is overwhelming evidence against predecessors. Since obviously there isn't for Akonas, I don't find you suspicious right now and thus don't support your lynch.
I'm unsure what you're getting at. His "hey, don't take this so seriously!" is sloppy enough to make me think he wasn't anticipating a backlash, which I find townish, but I don't think that that answered your question.Post 243, Incognito wrote:What makes you think he was just surprised and not some other such emotion?
(I am a girl Cake Core.)Post 244, Miztef wrote:Ether: I'm liking him. I'm thinking pro-town for now. No lynching him (hence,unvote)
Post 244, Miztef wrote:Tajo: good lynch for today, there has been inconsistencies in his play and evidence for scummy behavior.
Post 246, Tajo wrote:Again, what inconsistencies? what scummy behavior?
Im not a good lynch. seriously. You came late to the party.
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Pattern? Can you explain what doyouthink, whatsyourcase against me?
You should answer him.Post 248, Miztef wrote:Alright, because tajo is at least being active and useful, I will not go into further detail about his lynch.