Is there something in my analysis you
Arakorn (2) soupfly, gorckat
gorckat (1) arakorn
Not voting; The rest of you
Since it was a deadline, a player would have gotten killed with or without my vote. I'd rather trust in your votes, (the more experienced player's) than in my own "feelings".Javert wrote: Let me ask my same question in a different way. If you thought that day was the deadline day, why were you not spurred to read the game tofind outwho you were most suspicious of so that you could give a warranted vote?
(You mean if I wouldn't have known he had a special role?)Javert wrote: If Tarhalindur never claimed his role at all or that he had an investigation (but instead just went after MeMe), would you have voted MeMe alongside with him? Or would have done something else?
I see now. Well, I guess I did wrong then... (ehm, was there a question somewhere...?)Javert wrote: Response: In my experience, if a townsperson wants more discussion, they should take away the avenues forstoppingdiscussion (which means they should unvote somebody, especially if they are anywhere close to being lynched).
Here is an example of what I am getting at from another game (which is pretty famous and everybody on the site should read it, in my humble opinions): Post #157 from Axelrod-scum in Worst Role Evar Mafia. He claims he doesnotwant a player lynched while putting them at Lynch-1, and then that player is lynched anyways immediately afterwards (by a townsperson, no less). If Axelrod hadreallynot wanted that player lynched yet, he would not havevotedfor him – as you may notice, he actuallydidwant that player lynched. His actions and his words were contradicting each other.
As it is, scum had a vested interest in making Day Two inthisgame go as fast as possible; the sooner MeMe was lynched, the less information the town could actually get from the lynch; this is an excellent reason for scum to (for example) claim they do not want the day to end yet while keeping their vote on MeMe (in hopes she actually is lynched all the sooner). This is why I am poking you about this subject.
Well, I have throughout some of Gorckat's posts "sensed" some offensiveness against me, as well as something that I consider scummy. No examples currently...Javert wrote:Pleasego into detail. Thepointof me asking you questions is becauseI do not know your alignment, and I am trying to figure that out. The longer your response, the more likely I am to judge correctly. Point to posts you don't like (or do like), make a case, tell me where you get particular vibes: do whatever you need to do so that I can see you havesomereasoning behind why you are placing players where they are on your suspicions list.
before DR wagon wrote:soupfly (3) - Archaist, SirWario, gorckat
Gorckat (2) – Tarhalindur, Arakorn
Guardian (1) - Pra a Funkee Home Sapien
neko2086 (1) - soupfly
Sikario8 (1) - neko2086
SirWario (1) - Guardian
Arakorn (1) - MeMe
Gorckat switches to Arakorn wrote:soupfly (2) - Archaist, SirWario
Gorckat (2) – Tarhalindur, Arakorn
Arakorn (2) - MeMe, gorckat
Guardian (1) - Pra a Funkee Home Sapien
neko2086 (1) - soupfly
Sikario8 (1) - neko2086
SirWario (1) - Guardian
This is a critical moment. Gorckat has asked why he wouldn't have just stayed on soupfly if he were scum and get him lynched. Well, he had already switched to Arakorn, possibly in hopes that a bandwagon would start there.Guardian votes DR wrote:soupfly (2) - Archaist, SirWario
Gorckat (2) – Tarhalindur, Arakorn
Arakorn (2) - MeMe, gorckat
Sikario8 (2) - neko2086, Guardian
Guardian (1) - Pra a Funkee Home Sapien
neko2086 (1) - soupfly
So why switch to DR instead of staying at Arakorn? Originally, when I thought gorckat was the second to join, this made even less sense. Why would he even try to make DR a possible lynch candidate if he was only at 1 vote? Well, he was actually already a lynch candidate. Would the scum bus their godfather so early on, when it maybe wasn't even necessary? I think it so. Nevermind that he was the godfather, was he really that valuable? Sikario made some very strange gameplay, and out of the three would easily have been the weakest on the scumteam. DR replaced, and might have been able to save the role, except he suggested that everyone play the "list game" without offering one of his own. The sacrifice would have been very easy to make, and would essentially allow gorckat to sail for quite awhile.gorckat's next move wrote:Rikimaru (3) - neko2086, Guardian, gorckat
soupfly (2) - Archaist, SirWario
Gorckat (2) – Tarhalindur, Arakorn
Arakorn (1) - MeMe
Guardian (1) - Pra a Funkee Home Sapien
neko2086 (1) - soupfly
And if he's town and really can't decide which one is scum?If Gorckat were town and really had more reason to believe Arakorn was scum, he'd still be voting Arakorn.
That makes no sense. Town shouldn't have a strategy? My strategy is this: I'm town and there's no fucking way I can get past Javert in LYLO, nor would Arakorn if he's town. Sure, that works the same if I'm scum, but I think I can prove tomorrow that I'm not.indicative of playing by strategy and not scum-hunting.
Are you talking about yourself here? I believe you said that you actually had reasons to vote for Arakorn, but wanted to vote Javert because of your "gut" and also because that would be the strategic thing to do, right? That sounds like you're saying that Arakorn is probably scum but you'd rather get Javert out of the way first because he would be dangerous to have in the endgame. If that's not what you're saying, please correct me.And if he's town and really can't decide which one is scum?
It's fine for the town to have a strategy, but scum-hunting should be priority. The scum only have to appear to be scum-hunting, but they are playing strictly by strategy. Your voting behavior in this entire game looks nothing like scum-hunting.Town shouldn't have a strategy?
Are you expecting there to be a tomorrow? Again, it sounds like youSure, that works the same if I'm scum, but I think I can prove tomorrow that I'm not.
I tried to make a distinction here, but let me try again. I don't quite think Arakorn is deliberately trying to make an appeal to emotion. I really think he is genuinely accepting the fact that he is dispensible. If I am wrong about you, then obviously this will need to be reconsidered, but I find Arakorn's reactions and play today to be less indicative of scumminess than yours.Arakorn's willingness to go down is an appeal to emotion, just like Javert's never been lynched as town.
Yup.That sounds like you're saying that Arakorn is probably scum but you'd rather get Javert out of the way first because he would be dangerous to have in the endgame.
True, but Archaist did. Though Javert can't answer for archaist's actions, I think if there were evidence of Archaist being scum, it ought to be brought up. I haven't found anything very indicative either way.One reason Javert is so damn hard to read is he never really had to interact with DR or Meme.