Open 56 - Masons and Monks (GAME OVER) before 542

[pwayne66]

Mod... Can we get a proddle on Abstract Actuary

[Samruc]

I prodded yesterday, will look for re-prods tomorrow.

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Vote Count

thinktank: 3 (Flameaxe, farside22, Kabenon007)
farside22: 1 (thinktank)

Not voting: (Abstract Actuary, TylerJ, pwayne66)

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

[TylerJ]

I am extremely annoyed with tank. He appears to be trying to connect himself with me, so if we lynch him and he comes up scum, you will all assume I am his partner and just lynch me with no discussion. Flameaxe annoys me because he doesn't participate in the conversation, just keeps interjecting with "Lynch tank, kthxbai." The last exchange with farside and tank I think made farside come out on top, it seems that tank is just repeating himself over and over again. Let's see what he has to say to that. Also, to this

unvote, vote:thinktank.

Let's see what happens here.

Sounds like a distancing post...

[kabenon007]

Ask yourself this, Tyler. What would a townie say in my position? Tank is trying to make it look like I am his buddy, how do I say anything to the contrary without it seeming like distancing? I can't.

[thinktank]

This is ridiculous. Kabennon I'm not trying to paint you as my scum buddy. You are scum, I have said this quite a few times this day so for me to try and paint you as my "buddy" would be downright moronic. You're just looking for an excuse to vote for me and end this day to save your own hide, your reason for doing so is lame, its almost as bad as flameaxe's.

Read my argument on Farside. Read the way he has reacted this day and the way he has acted as well as the fact that he keeps deflecting; He is scum.

[farside22]

This is ridiculous. Kabennon I'm not trying to paint you as my scum buddy. You are scum, I have said this quite a few times this day so for me to try and paint you as my "buddy" would be downright moronic. You're just looking for an excuse to vote for me and end this day to save your own hide, your reason for doing so is lame, its almost as bad as flameaxe's.

Read my argument on Farside. Read the way he has reacted this day and the way he has acted as well as the fact that he keeps deflecting; He is scum.

You've deflected my comments as well. Hypocrite.

[kabenon007]

If you are town, then tell me, who else do you think is scum, tank? As likely as your lynch seems, your top priority as town would be to give us as much information as you've got.

[Abstract Actuary]

Mod... Can we get a proddle on Abstract Actuary

Sorry, I'm here and still trying to get through the thread. Work has been unexpectedly busy these last two weeks and this thread is quite the thick read.

[farside22]

You know I've reread everything first

FOS Abstract Actuary

the thread is not that long. Second I didn't see anything I did not answer that thinktank brought up.
Thinktank has yet to answer why he has deflected suspicion onto others if he is suspicious of kabenon007.
Second as stated previous naming two people and calling them scum is not a list. List each person, but what you think of them and why. It's not difficult and shouldn't be ignored as constantly as you have ignored it.

[TylerJ]

Ask yourself this, Tyler. What would a townie say in my position? Tank is trying to make it look like I am his buddy, how do I say anything to the contrary without it seeming like distancing? I can't.

Good point, but tanks post is good as well. I think all three of you could be scum (not all of you together though). So to get things rolling, I will

vote: farside

[Flameaxe]

You're doing it wrong. Lighten up and bus your buddy!

[farside22]

You're doing it wrong. Lighten up and bus your buddy!

[TylerJ]

vote: farside

Rofl. I can see where you can draw that conclusion. Funny enough, it seems like a perfect fit. But I can assure you that you are totally off.

[Flameaxe]

vote: farside

Rofl. I can see where you can draw that conclusion. Funny enough, it seems like a perfect fit. But I can assure you that you are totally off.

Right. I should totally follow your assumption, just based off your word. What was I thinking?

[thinktank]

Sorry I was away. Farside I haven't deflected any of your comments. I've addressed them to the best of my ability. I have already stated that I think you and Kabennon are scum (maybe not toegether), Flameaxe could be scummy but its just as likely hes not because he hasn't done anything this entire game. Pwayne doesn't strike me as scum, I think he is most likely town. Tyler could be scum but its hard to differentiate his actions from his playstyle (like flameaxe) and I honestly don't know enough about Draux/Abstract Sanctuary because there have been little comments on their behalf. I have responded to all your accusations, if there are any more bring them on and I'll post my rebuttal. I have been openly answering questions while you have been deflecting so don;t try to paint me as a hypocrite.

And Flameaxe, is it really right for you to be calling Tyler out on "taking his word" for vote because thats ALL you've done this entire game. Way to not be a hypocrite /end sarcasm.

[Flameaxe]

But I'm right both times, so you're a bit off.

[farside22]

Sorry I was away. Farside I haven't deflected any of your comments. I've addressed them to the best of my ability. I have already stated that I think you and Kabennon are scum (maybe not toegether), Flameaxe could be scummy but its just as likely hes not because he hasn't done anything this entire game. Pwayne doesn't strike me as scum, I think he is most likely town. Tyler could be scum but its hard to differentiate his actions from his playstyle (like flameaxe) and I honestly don't know enough about Draux/Abstract Sanctuary because there have been little comments on their behalf. I have responded to all your accusations, if there are any more bring them on and I'll post my rebuttal. I have been openly answering questions while you have been deflecting so don;t try to paint me as a hypocrite.

And Flameaxe, is it really right for you to be calling Tyler out on "taking his word" for vote because thats ALL you've done this entire game. Way to not be a hypocrite /end sarcasm.

You never voted for kabonoon and this is the second time you thought he was scummy. You don't have an answer on why?
What do you say I've deflected when I answered the question and comment brought to me without having you repeat them over and over again?

[thinktank]

@thinktank: You said you would come with a list of suspects and said you didn't trust yourself. AFter I have been stating for 2 days now that I think you and Kabonon are partners you are trying to make me look like scum. My thoughts are you are pushing for me to escape the noose your self and help your scum partner along the way.
By the way you only said once you thought Tyler was scum and dropped it when no one listened to you and you got no response. Or you just going to keep pointing to people one after another and say well I thought X person was scum when you are scum yourself.
Now because I'm a bit more aggressive then others and made points against you, you say it's scummie. Oh the irony.

If I remember correctly I did come up with a list..you and Kabennon. Thats right, I didn't trust myself, which is why I did a redathrough twice and waited 4 days to post my analysis because I wanted to be sure of what I thought. The simple fact of the matter is you voted for Kabennon in the beginning of this day until I asked you not to and after I found you scum, You changed your vote to me. your OMGUS simply devalue any argument you may have for me. I will say it now as I said before, go ahead and vote for Kabennon if you will, I really don't care, He is the next to go. But the simple fact of the matter is that there is so much more evidence on your actions that it just makes sense to oust you first. your entire argument against me comes of nothing more as an OMGUS and your fervent desperation only digs you in a deeper hole. I am not trying to PAINT you scummy, the evidence which I have posted as well your actions throughout day 3 proves you scum well enough.

2 times thinktank has stated he thought Kabenon007 was scum and did not vote for him. He tries to constantly steer people away. I good with either of them as a scum pair, but I'm with Flameaxe at this point. Thinktank scum.
Enough said

I have never said he was scum though a lot of his actions have been scummy. When I was doing my read through the both of you are my picks for one of the scum pair, I'm not sure of the other pair , I'll need to read through it again. Why didn't I vote for him? because there is far more reason to lynch you, (albeit theres more reason because Kabennon was lurking for most of day 2). Anyways my arguments are legitimate. You claim that you know you made WIFOM statements but if you know then what POSSIBLE reas on do you have to keep subtly bringing them up. Its bad enough you brought them up once but the fact that you've done what you 've done is very scummy. I fail to see the so called hypocrisy. I said we need to be careful and not to be hasty. I did a full read through twice, waited about 4 days and I am convinced you're scum. You're OMGUS vote back and reaction has only further convinced me that you're scum.

Pwayne- I've called out several players twice or more and not necessarily voted for them. Just because I think someone is suspicious doesn't them scum. That being said Farside and Kabennon are my top suspects of scum. My proposal is we lynch Farside today and then most likely we are going to lynch Kabennon tomorrow. At this point there is far more evidence on Farside than there is on Kabennon so its only logical that Farside must go.

Two quote you called him scummie and neither time you voted for him:

Flameaxes voting without reason was interesting enough to not as well.

I had no reason now? Okay then. Assumptions are cool, and thinktank is scum.

You might as well say nothing and save room on the server for comments that actually matter if you aren't going to back up anything you say.

Farside, you can't just say chalk LPowell's behaviour because he hasnt been playing long. So what? does that make him any less or more likely to be scum? No.

I'm not going to jump on this Kabenon wagon because yes he has done a scummy act but my vote stays

. Flameaxe has been repeatedly pushing my wagon as an excuse to simply post (look at his last few comments, they are a waste of space). Perhaps i missed his reason for voting me but regardless i find his behaviour scummy.

Thank you for unvoting. As for why I didn't post who my suspects are yet? because I have been wrong in the past, actually I was wrong twice yesterday so I'm playing more conservatively and on that note I want to see some posts by Draux's replacement as well as Tyler.

I agree with you on that Kabennon is probably scum

. I'm not sure about Flameaxe because he might as well be lurking because he doesn't contribute at all so theres not much to go on. I would like to confirm suspicions before I say my suspects because theres nothing worse than baseless accusations, cough flameaxe. I apologize if I came of as a hypocrite but thats the best way I think we are going to catch scum.

Please lynch the liar that is trying to save his obvious scum buddy

I've said the same thing about A lot of players throughout the game. Because someone is acting scummy doesn't make them scum, its a cumulation of scummy actions. Now you're just reaching because if you look at all of my posts I've said I felt Tyler was scummy but didn't jump on his wagon, same with Kabennon. Instead I chose to vote for the player who I thought had accumulated more scummy actions. Its easy to say things when you take them out of context right? You want to lynch Kabennon, go ahead, he is gonna be the next one to go anyway but at this point there is far more evidence to lynch you then Kabennon and that is a fact. How you've reacted to my vote isn't helping your case either. It just comes of as desperate scum trying to grab some random arguments to float, I'm sorry that just doesn't cut it. So rather than taking faulty arguments which are taken out of context at me, why not actually defend my lengths page of accusations instead of trying to poorly divert attention from yourself?

I've already stated twice why I'm voting for you rather than Kabennon. He is scum but as scummy as he may seem, you are by far scummier based on the evidence. As for what arguments I've brough against you?

JDodge brings up a good point against Oman. This isn't a newb game and the too town comment sent people going against Kabenon007 for the comment. I didn't read the article, but I don't think there is a such thing as too town. It's been my expierence that scum duck and cover where as town people are trying to uncover them underneath all the crap reasoning. Oman should know better then to give someone a hard time in an open game and seems he is trying to protect Kabenon007.

unvote: vote: Oman

So I did a reread on LutenitPowwel because I found the self analysts a little odd. He really has tried to involve himself with attempting any type of scum hunting. However I noticed he hasn't been playing long so I chalked it up to newbie. Oman still rub's me the wrong way with his defense of Kabenon007. Kabenon007 too townie comment. Flameaxe not really giving anyone any idea about his vote against thinktank. Now pwayne66 just throws a vote at Flameaxe with no reason why.
There seems to be more scum plays then anything else going on.

Vote: Kabenon007

I just can't buy the too townie comment. Plus lack of scum hunting which as stated above he is not the only one.

This sequence is very odd. First Farside says that from his experience there is no such thing as too town. Then rigth after says he doesnt buy the too townie comment and votes for kabennon?

I agree entirely.

You really aren't helping. I don't see anyone who found your POV on thinktank except LP.
Sorry I forgot who asked me about LP. I read his comments about things and it seemed more green behind the ears. However his lastest vote/ stab at doing anything useful has completed nixed that thought.

unvote: vote: LutenitPowwel

You are not making sense. Now I just think you are stupid scum.

Then right after that previous comment, he claims LP is not making sense and switches votes with lackluster logic.

....I know, I was joking.

Look, lynching thinktank will tell us a lot about Flameaxe here.

Umm. not at all. When I turn up townie, Flameaxe is just gonna move on to the next person and vote without reason. Its like saying by lynching you, we'll get a lot of information: the fact that you were town or scum.

Actually that looked the a division tactic. Saying hey lets follow Flameaxe and if he is wrong then he looks bad.

Unvote: Vote: Oman

Jump on a bandwagon with little or no questioning of Oman prior.

I know I'm going to throw out a bunch of WIFOM comments so don't say I did. I had to analysis my thought process on this.

Kurbio dies and it could look like thinktank did it, but my mind says that would be obvious since he was against Kurbio. I think well Flameaxe has been after thinktank for awhile now and it could be a way to make him look guilty. I mention this one in paticular because it took up some conversation yesterday. Flameaxe has been on thinktank since day 1. Not really with any reason. (Well they are Flameaxe's reason's which are hard to understand). So I have 5 people I am not sure about at all.
1) thinktank - who I stated before I find some of his comments just out there.
2) kabanoon007 - who after his too townie comment gets to slide under the radar
3) Flameaxe - who hasn't really offered much in the way of conversation
4) TylerJ - really he is closer to the bottom. I think either though he did do the hammer vote some of the things he said I couldn't really disagree with.
5) Draux - Disappeared and now on replacement #2. No read because of his disappearance.

I'm going for the middle ground on this one. I think kabanoon was the smart choice day one and his interaction to finding scum is limited at best.

Vote: Kabanoon007

WIFOM comments are anti-town, why would you bother? they are utterly useless and just the use of them can cause confusion which the town does not need at this point. Subtle but evident. If you thought Kabennon was the smart choice why didn't you vote for him day one. Its easy to say someone was the clear choice the day after the mislynch.

Flameaxe shutup! Im getting sick and tired of your stupid posts!

Now, thinktanks last post, while it was useful, seemed to be a scummy attempt to look town, I say this because I have witnessed others do it, however this evidence is weak at best.

Farside, you seemed to try to push for people to look scummy as well. It is one thing to provide evidence, and another to use WIFOM. WIFOM is the best and thus the most dangerous way to manipulate.

I find kuribo scummy. *sarcasm*

Sometimes I know looking at the crime is bad. Lost a game that way. Sometimes you get answers too. I think Kurbio is a red herring, but I could be wrong. I just have that gut feeling with things being said that it is a red herring. I admitted it was a post full of WIFOM, but I needed to write it out if things don't go well today to remind myself for later.
Honestly the only two people I feel aren't scummy is you and pawnyee. So I would like to hear your thoughts on who is scum and why.

Once again a reference to the WIFOM and a subtle WIFOM in there too. Don't bother with WIFOMs, there is no way of proving anything and all they do is confuse town. I don;t know why time and time again you keep referencing them except for the fact that you're scum. I don't know who you're partner is yet but after this readthrough it really seems as though Farside is scum.

vote: Farside22

There were numerous questionable actions which you've made through out the game which you keep deflecting from. Also is the fact that originally you were voting Kabennon but right after I voted for you, you delivered the OMGUS and suddenly decided you agree with Flameaxe, the guy who's done nothing all game. Then there were the WIFOMs, you said that you know you're statements sound WIFOMy then why make them and you're continued subtle references to them which is VERY VERY scummy because it not only does no goos it causes chaos among town. All these arguments against you compared with all the arguments I have vs Kabennon, your weight is far greater and based on the evidence, you must go.

[farside22]

I already made comments to what you said. Unless there is something pacific you think I missed there should be more then your quote.

[kabenon007]

Has think even brought a case against me?

[farside22]

Has think even brought a case against me?

nope

[thinktank]

Has think even brought a case against me?

I'll bring that up beginning of day 4, if I make it that long. Right now there's no point because that would only fork my effort, its no good chasing two scum at the same time when you can only lynch one. I have found far more evidence of Farside, hence I'm chasing that bird, but, Kabennon don't worry, you're case will come too in time.

[Flameaxe]

Has think even brought a case against me?

I'll bring that up beginning of day 4, if I make it that long. Right now there's no point because that would only fork my effort, its no good chasing two scum at the same time when you can only lynch one. I have found far more evidence of Farside, hence I'm chasing that bird, but, Kabennon don't worry, you're case will come too in time.

You won't. Scum needs to die today, and you are a prime target.

[kabenon007]

Yeah, that's a stupid excuse, tank. We want as much information as possible, and if you were townie, you would want to provide as much as possible. Besides, it's more than likely you'll be dead, so you really should just post your case (if you have one) so I can refute and we can lynch you.

[pwayne66]

Two quote you called him scummie and neither time you voted for him...Please lynch the liar that is trying to save his obvious scum buddy

TT hasn't denied this. How do you justify calling him a liar?

Well, not much to say, except that Flameaxe still is playing that same game as usual, thinktank I am beginning to get pissed at. It seems to me that he is trying to pass the buck onto me. He is acting like he has given up his life and is instead trying to pin himself to a townie, or even more hopefully, another scum team member, so that the town will think that the patsy is thinktank's scum buddy. It just seems too obvious, doesn't it?

I don't think so. Please direct me to where this is occurring.

You put two people as scum pair and are voting on me which tells me you are trying to save your scum partner.

...or it could mean that he misplaced the second vote and was forced to only vote once.

I'm leaning more on the farside

Why? You list three players that everybody else is suspicious of and then say this. This is not content.