Mini 561: R-1000 Mafia (Game over!)

[ZONEACE]

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Governor

essentially, the governor can reverse a lynch in twilight.

[ZONEACE]

oh

random vote skitzer

[ZONEACE]

Idk if its a scum tell. Preferring Huckabee would be though.

that would be more indicative of sanity issues than anything else.

[ZONEACE]

so do something overtly scummy so we can lynch you then dean. that will pick things up quite a lot.

[ZONEACE]

so, anyone else wanna see what happens if we lynch the mod?

[ZONEACE]

so, anyone else wanna see what happens if we lynch the mod?

I would, but I believe it should wait at least for another night. With 1 NK there's no indication of mod scum, unless he's a complete bastard and made a 12 town, 1 mod scum game...

that would be absolutely HILLARIOUS, in a completely evil sort of way.

[ZONEACE]

I'm currently happy with an opie or Rigel lynch. Dean apparently acts this way in his other games too, so its a null tell on him and makes Rigel's attack on him a bit more scummy.

I don't know if its worth a lynch at this point but its definitely worth an fos, so

fos rigel

but also

small fos dean

the whole situation could be distancing but its WAY too early to be wasting too much time looking for that

[ZONEACE]

eww, they both gave the same REALLY TERRIBLE and scummy response to prods. If i wasn't already voting him i would certainly be voting for skitz now. oh and

huge FOS anderson

[ZONEACE]

oh wait, I'm not voting skitz anymore

re

vote skitz

[ZONEACE]

EBWOP

No wait, i'm retarded I am still voting skitz



sorry for my huge mental fart.

[ZONEACE]

Yeah the claim doesn't make sense to me. I mean, my reasoning is based on nothing more than what i would hope Shakespeare would be in a game like this (at least PRed). I'm not gonna vote for Rigel just yet as i'd rather we not lynch til we make sure everyone is still in the game but

Unvote FOS with full intention of voting when we make sure everyone is still participating rigel

with that said MOD,

Can we get prods on Anderson, Chaotic, and Spring please?

[ZONEACE]

Possibly. With twelve important people, I don't know what to expect. Shakespeare doesn't seem dangerous, so probably no. I can imagine the scum are evil people like Hitler and George III.

right but the scum were also probably given safe claims.

[ZONEACE]

Rigel's claim seems believable, though I'm still getting a nagging feeling. I'll place a vote by the deadline.

unvote

Vote CD

after your prod thats it??? the little "I'll vote by the deadline" screams I'll play it safe and see where everyone is and do something to not stand out. TAKE A STAND. Stop trying to be a hiding scum.

[ZONEACE]

well since you're complainging about the 3/10 non majority, i'll make it a 4/10 non majority.

unvote vote rigel

I'll save my persecution of CD for tomorrow since the deadline is today and nohting is going to come of it. Rigel's calim while not BAD certianly doesn't give me reason to not lynch him. If you're town rigel, it was just bad luck for you and I'm sorry.

Please, can we take a look at CD tomorrow guys, his behavior after the prod was more than slightly suspicious.

[ZONEACE]

Vote CD

I said we should take a look at him today and we should. His actions yesterday were more than scummy, especially the post after he picked up his prod.

Rigel's claim seems believable, though I'm still getting a nagging feeling. I'll place a vote by the deadline.

unvote

[ZONEACE]

self voting is siply a way of ebing stubborn and non paticipatory but still look like you're doing something. if you truly wanted to prevent the problems you mentioned and not participate in random voting (as you said before) then you should just NOT random vote. Vote no one, instead of pull the self voting BS. You're actions have been more than a little scummy CD.

[ZONEACE]

its worth noting, but based on the meta its probably not worth voting, yet. But it did catch my attention also and i won't be forgetting it.

[ZONEACE]

Each of zoneace's 3 posts today:

#179: a vote on CD right after armlx's. His argument emphasizes CD post after his prod, which is basically his unvote and later revote that armlx covered.
#187: He states self-votes are bad because of lack of participation 2 posts after armlx said self-votes are bad because one is refusing to develop connections.
#195: He mentions the meta on Dean and how he shouldn't be attacked for it. Similar to armlx's post (Although it doesn't out right say we shouldn't vote Dean for his one-liners, it still holds the message, for example, look at skitz's unvote right after)

It did set off a small alarm that he might be buddying up to you. On that note, it also might be worth it to note that in 195, he leaves the nice opportunity to come back to dean for his one-liners.

I don't appreciate all of armlx's exaggerations.

CD: What would have convinced you of Rigel's innocence? What was strange about rigel's wagon?

I stated my intentions to come after CD yesterday. Excuse me for not posting before amrix. I referenced the meta BECAUSE arm brought it up I was saying that its probably not worth voting dean yet because of the meta but not to let the meta prevent a vote in the future. attempts to fabricate suspicions are not good.

[ZONEACE]

im sorry, are backdoors not allowed anymore? I didn't want to completely write Dean off as a possible suspect because of his meta, but RIGHT NOW, that meta is enough for me to keep my focus fully on CD and not on CD AND Dean. I'm trying to keep my focus (and that of the rest of the town) on the person who is most scummy to me, and not get distracted by the (as of now) slight possibility that dean is scum. If dean presents himself as a likely scum later on and the meta proves to be false then I'll still have him in the back of my mind as a possible suspect and not have decided previously that because of the meta he can't be scum.

[ZONEACE]

how can the meta be proven false?

If the facts are in opposition of it.

[ZONEACE]

oh i suppose it can't be proven false, but it can become out dated.

i'm still not sure what the problem is with me saying that right now because of the meta we shouldn't lynch Dean but keeping him mind for future investigation is a good idea.

[ZONEACE]

Hmmm...right now I'm wondering about Zoneace and Dean. maybe some opie and aioqwe too...And what about springlullaby and andersonw?

No. To be serious, my thoughts are on Zoneace and DeanWinchester. Their place in the lynch is somewhat convienient to me.

yeah cause i didn't state my intentions of voting CD a day in advance and gave my reasons.

[ZONEACE]

I don't know. It was a random assumption.

Yeah, it was a pretty silly assumption. Anyway

BIG FOS spring

That was a really AWFUL move no matter what side you're on. I'm gonna withhold the vote for now til we get a little discussion going. Also, I think we're at LYLO, so making sure we have a correct lynch is of absolute importance.

[ZONEACE]

Oh im here, sorry guys. the case against DW seems reasonable, for the most part, im still a little ocnfused, mainly cause I kinda feel like the next logical step that skitzer would make after DW is to me, so that worries me a bit, but im gonna do a little rereading.

[ZONEACE]

so, now that I've read that circle jerk of wifom I'm gonna go re-read the game since we finally got a replacement.

[ZONEACE]

How will claiming help you?

Does anyone else see this as fishing?

No.

[ZONEACE]

Ok. I read that as him basically asking if I had a power role or not.

If it appears that people aren't going to unvote me, no matter what I think of the case on me, I will claim to avoid a serious misslynch.

Whats the point of accusing someone of fishing if immediately afterwards you're gonna breadcrumb a power role?

[ZONEACE]

Whether or not I have breadcrumbed a power role is unrelated to whether he was fishing there. I believe he was.

I just think its more than a little ridiculous and slightly suspicious to acuse someone of fishing in one breath and then in the next breath suggest you're a power role.

[ZONEACE]

also, is there such a thing as a role which is scum, but comes up as town?

DO you mean a role that card flips as town or shows up as town to investigation? Cause to the first i can't think of any. to the second there are tons of explanations for that.

[ZONEACE]

So wait, BM, you went from number 3 on your suspect list to someone not on your suspect list?

oh and Since when are safeclaims flavor not roles? Every game I've ever been in where i had a safe claim it was role.

[ZONEACE]

What's the requirement for a lynch at deadline?

[ZONEACE]

well that was an obscene amount of post death posting.



anyway, Aiq's last post makes sense, but I'm still inclined to trust BM. I want to vote Aiq, but with it being at 3 to lynch putting someone at -1 so fast is a bad idea so I'll

FOS AIQ

with a full intention of votiing unless something big changes.

[ZONEACE]

Given BMs card flip, plus his suspicions, plus Aioq's lack of persuading me otherwise my FOS is now

vote Aioq

[ZONEACE]

HUZZAH.