I still hate you.springlullaby wrote:Bah post, late
I have to say, please don't believe I'm that foul mouthed in reality, although it was fun getting in character.
Go buddies!!! <3<3<3
The point of my post is that BM's early posts aren't necessarily reliable.ZONEACE wrote:well that was an obscene amount of post death posting.
anyway, Aiq's last post makes sense, but I'm still inclined to trust BM. I want to vote Aiq, but with it being at 3 to lynch putting someone at -1 so fast is a bad idea so I'llFOS AIQwith a full intention of votiing unless something big changes.
Or a more plausible scenario. BM is sane and has a guilty on you and an innocent on me.aioque wrote:I have a theory, BM is insane had a guilty on me and an innocent on RB. This explains his early, I am scum, RB is town. However, later he starts to believe he might be insane, so rather than do a complete 180, he switches to potentially another "innocent" or someone else that he finds scummy rather than rely on his result.
I thought it wasn't role-fishing because Spring was too obvious about it.aioqwe wrote:Also interesting to note,Rogueben wrote:I don't approve of a spring wagon.When BM questions,Rogueben wrote:I don't think what spring did there was fishing and can't see any other reason that I should vote for her.We have a sudden drop in the conversation.Battle Mage wrote:it was CLEARLY rolefishing. what info could she have thought i had that wasnt role-related??
Or possibly it was that there were two wagons, one of which was on what I considered to be a confirmed townie.aioqwe wrote: Further note, RB's last minute switch to the Spring wagon, last minute distancing anyone?
I see what you did there. However, I am more sure that you are scum now than I have been of any person in any other game I've played in.aioqwe wrote:Why are you so eager to vote RB? we're at lylo still if yesterday was lylo.
No, not really.Rogueben wrote:Or a more plausible scenario. BM is sane and has a guilty on you and an innocent on me.
So you're insane? Opie, BM, is innocent, CD is guilty? Right, thats random, not insaneRogueben wrote:I find it quite plausible that there would be a sane cop and an insane cop in a game, the fact that they are both day cops is unusual but remember that I claimed it first. Do you find it plausible that someone would fake-claim DAY-cop, especially an insane one? There are much better fake claims than that, and the setup has clearly proven the capacity for day-cops now as well.
So you are saying that there is a difference between outright "are you claiming?" and subtly asking for a claim?Rogueben wrote:I thought it wasn't role-fishing because Spring was too obvious about it.
Really? The arguments of a revealed god-father? Secondly, if I understand the lynch mechanic correctly, you would have simply tied BM with Spring, because she reached the tie before BM, she would have been lynched. Thus you would be sparring revealed mafia and going into a complete 180 withRogueben wrote:Me being mafia just doesn't make sense, why wouldn't I have voted BM on the end of the day there instead of spring. There was certainly enough against BM that I could have gotten away with it IF I was mafia.
No, you couldn't really lynch BM could you?Rogueben wrote:I will not vote for BM. I am about 95% sure he is town. I find it incredibly unlikely that scum would come in at what we believe is lylo and vehemently defend a pro-town player.
I prefer an aioque lynch but if it looks like it will be either me or BM lynched I will change my vote. The latest I will be able to post will be about 12.00pm GMT.
What's your evidence that I am scum? My evidence is right hereRogueben wrote:Your attempts to embroil rely on a fair amount of setup speculation, with very little in the way of evidence and none of it compelling.
Plus, your behavior at the end of Day 3.I finally just decided to look at Dean's posts and there's a reason why I can't remember much of a case, he lurks, complains, and when any case is put against he says something along the lines of, "It's a stupid argument so I won't respond." And how does this not reek of scuminess? Lurking is a pretty common scum tell. His "complaints" simply give the idea that he's posting, but they don't help the town. It's just to help fly under the radar. And, he simply just halts other arguments. Sure they're weak but try and give your own opinions or an idea of what your opinions might be.
Now, what's RB's case on me? I stuck a possibly irresponsible vote on him that the scum didn't bother acting on for over a month? His vote reeks of OMGUS and not of the RVS OMGUS but of a "this guy tried to kill, he has to be scum." It's scummy because he has a weak case and the vote serves to deter and discredit any arguments mad against him.
Back up a bit and let's look at some his actions after he replaced. He insists he's town, and HE knows it. Too bad we aren't you. You think that the bandwagon against you would have lynched you. When it didn't you present the possibility that it's because your band wagoners aren't scum. Well, there's the equal possibility that you're scum so your scum mates don't want to wagon you. Your defense is that you know you're town. Again, the rest of the town doesn't know that. Also, this argument by repetition thing is pretty scummy. You offer to claim in a situation where claiming wouldn't help. Seems like your a scum who is trying to throw out a role to get everyone weary of lynching you. This follows with your immediate breadcrumb that you "are" a power role.
Yes, we can all see what I've done here. I've asked a question and you haven't responded. You've done an action that is completely contradictory to what you would have qualified as a town action yesterday. Furthermore, you're using appeal to emotion to make me seem like scumRogueben wrote:I see what you did there. However, I am more sure that you are scum now than I have been of any person in any other game I've played in.
Sorry for getting my terminology wrong. I thought insane was the same as random.aioqwe wrote:So you're insane? Opie, BM, is innocent, CD is guilty? Right, thats random, not insaneRogueben wrote:I find it quite plausible that there would be a sane cop and an insane cop in a game, the fact that they are both day cops is unusual but remember that I claimed it first. Do you find it plausible that someone would fake-claim DAY-cop, especially an insane one? There are much better fake claims than that, and the setup has clearly proven the capacity for day-cops now as well.
Yes. Role-fishing implies subtlety. I find that people who are more obvious about asking for claims/asking for ability claims tend to be town.aioqwe wrote:So you are saying that there is a difference between outright "are you claiming?" and subtly asking for a claim?Rogueben wrote:I thought it wasn't role-fishing because Spring was too obvious about it.
Do you believe I would have been scrutinized for voting BM as opposed to spring at deadline. Even if I was scum it would have been pretty easy to talk my way out of a vote on BM given his play yesterday. By placing the vote on spring I basically decided that spring was the lynch for the day, because andersonw and Zoneace were clearly not posting and that basically put spring in majority. A vote for BM, however could have been completely different as skitzer came in after deadline and voted for him as well.aioqwe wrote:Really? The arguments of a revealed god-father? Secondly, if I understand the lynch mechanic correctly, you would have simply tied BM with Spring, because she reached the tie before BM, she would have been lynched. Thus you would be sparring revealed mafia and going into a complete 180 withRogueben wrote:Me being mafia just doesn't make sense, why wouldn't I have voted BM on the end of the day there instead of spring. There was certainly enough against BM that I could have gotten away with it IF I was mafia.No, you couldn't really lynch BM could you?Rogueben wrote:I will not vote for BM. I am about 95% sure he is town. I find it incredibly unlikely that scum would come in at what we believe is lylo and vehemently defend a pro-town player.
I prefer an aioque lynch but if it looks like it will be either me or BM lynched I will change my vote. The latest I will be able to post will be about 12.00pm GMT.
BS. I did respond. I said that I am convinced that you must be scum which is far more than you were willing to say yesterday.aioqwe wrote:Yes, we can all see what I've done here. I've asked a question and you haven't responded. You've done an action that is completely contradictory to what you would have qualified as a town action yesterday. Furthermore, you're using appeal to emotion to make me seem like scumRogueben wrote:I see what you did there. However, I am more sure that you are scum now than I have been of any person in any other game I've played in.
The mod said that we don't have a random cop. Thus, by your definition, we should not have an insane cop. As of now, you have claimed a day cop when 1) we have already been shown to have a day cop and 2) your results do not make sense in regards to the normal sane/insane paranoid/naive. Furthermore, the mod has stated that random cops do not exist in the game. The only explanation is that you have lied. As town, there is no reason for you to construct such an elaborate lie. However, a scum would have wonderful reasons for pretending to be a random cop to get other townies lynched and not be held accountable.Rougeben wrote:Sorry for getting my terminology wrong. I thought insane was the same as random.
Skitz's vote did not make a difference as it was after the deadline.Rogueben wrote:Do you believe I would have been scrutinized for voting BM as opposed to spring at deadline. Even if I was scum it would have been pretty easy to talk my way out of a vote on BM given his play yesterday. By placing the vote on spring I basically decided that spring was the lynch for the day, because andersonw and Zoneace were clearly not posting and that basically put spring in majority. A vote for BM, however could have been completely different as skitzer came in after deadline and voted for him as well.
And no, it would not have been easy to talk your way out of it because before you voted, you said you were completely against a BM lynch. Furthermore, isn't it scummy to think about your "possible" actions and what you could "get away with" and what you couldn't? As town, you SHOULD be talking about why Spring is a rational choice and how your vote demonstrates that you are a town as opposed to scum trying to distance.mod wrote:Sorry, missed the deadline (again), but even if skitzer's vote did count, springlullaby would be tied and reached the highest amount of votes first.
I was sure you were scum yesterday, just as you are today. I had posted evidence that you were scum and was willing to go through and post further evidence when I was less busy. Yet you vote at the beginning of a lylo day whereas when I did, you criticized me. This contradiction is scummy. If you firmly believe in a scum tell you wouldn't let yourself fall into the trap so easily. However, as scum, you can just use an assortment of tells to attack someone. Since you don't necessarily have any firm position on the tells then you are prone to dropping them yourself.Rogueben wrote:BS. I did respond. I said that I am convinced that you must be scum which is far more than you were willing to say yesterday.
Rogueben wrote:Appeal to emotion my ass. I said I am willing to post the rest of my suspicions if other people needed them to be sure that you were scum.
This is appeal to emotion. It is not in the vein of "lynch me and town looses" but it is still calling upon other peoples trust to believe you that I am scum. Scum can easily try to use this so that people are compelled to vote for someone even if substantial evidence hasn't been posted.Rogueben wrote:I am more sure that you are scum now than I have been of any person in any other game I've played in.
Yes, please do this as soon as conveniently possible.Rogueben wrote:However I have been flat out busy this weekend and haven't really had the time to go through the thread again and re-find the supporting evidence. That will come later this week.
I agreeRogueben wrote:Also everyone besides me and aioqwe need to post more so that this doesn't turn into a screaming battle where everyone tunes out.
I'm partial. I think there are still power roles out there that scum could kill, but I think it could help weed out the scum.Rogueben wrote:I still want to know everyone's opinions on massclaiming at this point too. I think that the advantages of catching out a scum in a lie will benefit us now.
