Open 56 - Masons and Monks (GAME OVER) before 542

[Samruc]

Abstract Actuary replaces ThugBehram.

No deadline extension.

[Samruc]

I don't have time to do this properly today, but I want to get D3 started anyway. I might edit in some flavor here later.

***

As you wake up, you are shocked to learn that:

RossWilliam, Town Monk, has been shot.
Kuribo, Town Monk, has been eaten.

***

Day 3 starts.

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

[Flameaxe]

Vote Thinktank

[kuribo]

god dang it. go town.

[farside22]

I know I'm going to throw out a bunch of WIFOM comments so don't say I did. I had to analysis my thought process on this.

Kurbio dies and it could look like thinktank did it, but my mind says that would be obvious since he was against Kurbio. I think well Flameaxe has been after thinktank for awhile now and it could be a way to make him look guilty. I mention this one in paticular because it took up some conversation yesterday. Flameaxe has been on thinktank since day 1. Not really with any reason. (Well they are Flameaxe's reason's which are hard to understand). So I have 5 people I am not sure about at all.
1) thinktank - who I stated before I find some of his comments just out there.
2) kabanoon007 - who after his too townie comment gets to slide under the radar
3) Flameaxe - who hasn't really offered much in the way of conversation
4) TylerJ - really he is closer to the bottom. I think either though he did do the hammer vote some of the things he said I couldn't really disagree with.
5) Draux - Disappeared and now on replacement #2. No read because of his disappearance.

I'm going for the middle ground on this one. I think kabanoon was the smart choice day one and his interaction to finding scum is limited at best.

Vote: Kabanoon007

[kabenon007]

I do not believe I have slid under the radar. I have been providing information. I admit, my participation has been a little lower in this game than most, but eh, there you go. You'll have that in some games. I have been providing though, so I guess that makes me the middle ground?

[farside22]

I do not believe I have slid under the radar. I have been providing information. I admit, my participation has been a little lower in this game than most, but eh, there you go. You'll have that in some games. I have been providing though, so I guess that makes me the middle ground?

I also thought and still think you and thinktank are partners, but Flameaxe is a strange cat so I'm not sure were to put him. If I think you are partners, but I'm not sure about Flameaxe and thinktank as much I will take you who I feel more sure about then the other at this point and hope for more information on the other two.

[kabenon007]

So you've got a choice between me and thinktank and Flameaxe and thinktank... why wouldn't you choose the one who's in both of those lists if you want the one you are more sure about?

[farside22]

So you've got a choice between me and thinktank and Flameaxe and thinktank... why wouldn't you choose the one who's in both of those lists if you want the one you are more sure about?

Oh you misunderstood. I think you are partners with one of them. I think there play is odd. I'm not sure if scum would talk and be weird like that. Like I said Flameaxe is a weird cat in this game. So I'm going with the one between the 3 of you I'm more sure of.
Do you actually want to give a thought on the players? Or can scum give analysis well?

[thinktank]

Considering that there are 7 alive and 4 of them are scum, I think at this point we need to start looking at BOTH possible pairs. More than half of the current players are scum, It is not feasible to ignore the second pair. I also think that we need to slow things down till the replacement for Draux/ThugBehram gets here and reads because with only 4 to lynch if Town we have another mislynch, its good game for town for certain. I find it extremely odd considering what I just said that you would vote so soon in the day. Town can not be so rash because unless we are 200% sure someone is scum, DON'T VOTE...Farside you're move is very scummy, it seems as though you are trying to rush the vote and that is a major issue.

Kabennon, what are you smoking? though Farside was a bit rash in his decision to vote so early his decision is one I happen to agree with. You 've been lurking for most of day 2 after receiving a lot of heat in day 1 after that unfounded comment you made. I have the same problem with Tyler J. When he starts receiving heat he will just sort of try to hide under the radar (ie what he did after coming under fire day 1 for his hammer).

Farside, Don't try to analyze nightkills because they almost always lead the town astray. There is no way of knowing whether it was a tactical scum move, a gambit, simply random, trying to frame, etc. this late in the game it is completely futile to analyze this. That being said I don;t know what to make of Flameaxe. His unfounded vote for me has stuck throughout day1 and he has not contributed anything relevant to this game to do any sort of useful analysis.

[farside22]

I at least came up with one possible scum pair and had others on who I felt were the scummiest and why. Second the moment someone jumps on a vote they would have gotten a serious FOS. But thanks for ruining my idea.

Unvote:

Now since you mentioned that people need to be sure and come up with groups why don't you have people donw and reason's why? I asked the same of Kabonoon007 I think if you are going to tell people to be sure you should have your own list of suspects at this point too.

FOS: Kabonoon
IGMEOY

[thinktank]

Thank you for unvoting. As for why I didn't post who my suspects are yet? because I have been wrong in the past, actually I was wrong twice yesterday so I'm playing more conservatively and on that note I want to see some posts by Draux's replacement as well as Tyler. I agree with you on that Kabennon is probably scum. I'm not sure about Flameaxe because he might as well be lurking because he doesn't contribute at all so theres not much to go on. I would like to confirm suspicions before I say my suspects because theres nothing worse than baseless accusations, cough flameaxe. I apologize if I came of as a hypocrite but thats the best way I think we are going to catch scum.

[Flameaxe]

Thinktank: Still alive
You people: Fail.

Seriously? Lets be better.

[TylerJ]

Flameaxe shutup! Im getting sick and tired of your stupid posts!

Now, thinktanks last post, while it was useful, seemed to be a scummy attempt to look town, I say this because I have witnessed others do it, however this evidence is weak at best.

Farside, you seemed to try to push for people to look scummy as well. It is one thing to provide evidence, and another to use WIFOM. WIFOM is the best and thus the most dangerous way to manipulate.

I find kuribo scummy. *sarcasm*

[Flameaxe]

Flameaxe shutup! Im getting sick and tired of your stupid posts!

Oh snap.

[Abstract Actuary]

I'm in the depths of my read-through and should have a post for you guys in the next couple days.

[farside22]

Flameaxe shutup! Im getting sick and tired of your stupid posts!

Now, thinktanks last post, while it was useful, seemed to be a scummy attempt to look town, I say this because I have witnessed others do it, however this evidence is weak at best.

Farside, you seemed to try to push for people to look scummy as well. It is one thing to provide evidence, and another to use WIFOM. WIFOM is the best and thus the most dangerous way to manipulate.

I find kuribo scummy. *sarcasm*

Sometimes I know looking at the crime is bad. Lost a game that way. Sometimes you get answers too. I think Kurbio is a red herring, but I could be wrong. I just have that gut feeling with things being said that it is a red herring. I admitted it was a post full of WIFOM, but I needed to write it out if things don't go well today to remind myself for later.
Honestly the only two people I feel aren't scummy is you and pawnyee. So I would like to hear your thoughts on who is scum and why.

[Samruc]

Everyone has been prodded.

[farside22]

I'm still waiting to hear from others. It seems tedious to talk to myself. By the way all I will be out this weekend. I've already put my top 3 suspects and right now nothing is changing since no one is really saying anything.

[TylerJ]

I don't have anything else to say. Sorry, I just did a reread on two other games, so I don't think my brain can handle this one too.

[Flameaxe]

Thinktank.

[pwayne66]

flameaxe

[Flameaxe]

Wrong.

[farside22]

flameaxe

So do you think flameaxe is scum or are you just saying his name?

[thinktank]

JDodge brings up a good point against Oman. This isn't a newb game and the too town comment sent people going against Kabenon007 for the comment. I didn't read the article, but I don't think there is a such thing as too town. It's been my expierence that scum duck and cover where as town people are trying to uncover them underneath all the crap reasoning. Oman should know better then to give someone a hard time in an open game and seems he is trying to protect Kabenon007.

unvote: vote: Oman

So I did a reread on LutenitPowwel because I found the self analysts a little odd. He really has tried to involve himself with attempting any type of scum hunting. However I noticed he hasn't been playing long so I chalked it up to newbie. Oman still rub's me the wrong way with his defense of Kabenon007. Kabenon007 too townie comment. Flameaxe not really giving anyone any idea about his vote against thinktank. Now pwayne66 just throws a vote at Flameaxe with no reason why.
There seems to be more scum plays then anything else going on.

Vote: Kabenon007

I just can't buy the too townie comment. Plus lack of scum hunting which as stated above he is not the only one.

This sequence is very odd. First Farside says that from his experience there is no such thing as too town. Then rigth after says he doesnt buy the too townie comment and votes for kabennon?

I agree entirely.

You really aren't helping. I don't see anyone who found your POV on thinktank except LP.
Sorry I forgot who asked me about LP. I read his comments about things and it seemed more green behind the ears. However his lastest vote/ stab at doing anything useful has completed nixed that thought.

unvote: vote: LutenitPowwel

You are not making sense. Now I just think you are stupid scum.

Then right after that previous comment, he claims LP is not making sense and switches votes with lackluster logic.

....I know, I was joking.

Look, lynching thinktank will tell us a lot about Flameaxe here.

Umm. not at all. When I turn up townie, Flameaxe is just gonna move on to the next person and vote without reason. Its like saying by lynching you, we'll get a lot of information: the fact that you were town or scum.

Actually that looked the a division tactic. Saying hey lets follow Flameaxe and if he is wrong then he looks bad.

Unvote: Vote: Oman

Jump on a bandwagon with little or no questioning of Oman prior.

I know I'm going to throw out a bunch of WIFOM comments so don't say I did. I had to analysis my thought process on this.

Kurbio dies and it could look like thinktank did it, but my mind says that would be obvious since he was against Kurbio. I think well Flameaxe has been after thinktank for awhile now and it could be a way to make him look guilty. I mention this one in paticular because it took up some conversation yesterday. Flameaxe has been on thinktank since day 1. Not really with any reason. (Well they are Flameaxe's reason's which are hard to understand). So I have 5 people I am not sure about at all.
1) thinktank - who I stated before I find some of his comments just out there.
2) kabanoon007 - who after his too townie comment gets to slide under the radar
3) Flameaxe - who hasn't really offered much in the way of conversation
4) TylerJ - really he is closer to the bottom. I think either though he did do the hammer vote some of the things he said I couldn't really disagree with.
5) Draux - Disappeared and now on replacement #2. No read because of his disappearance.

I'm going for the middle ground on this one. I think kabanoon was the smart choice day one and his interaction to finding scum is limited at best.

Vote: Kabanoon007

WIFOM comments are anti-town, why would you bother? they are utterly useless and just the use of them can cause confusion which the town does not need at this point. Subtle but evident. If you thought Kabennon was the smart choice why didn't you vote for him day one. Its easy to say someone was the clear choice the day after the mislynch.

Flameaxe shutup! Im getting sick and tired of your stupid posts!

Now, thinktanks last post, while it was useful, seemed to be a scummy attempt to look town, I say this because I have witnessed others do it, however this evidence is weak at best.

Farside, you seemed to try to push for people to look scummy as well. It is one thing to provide evidence, and another to use WIFOM. WIFOM is the best and thus the most dangerous way to manipulate.

I find kuribo scummy. *sarcasm*

Sometimes I know looking at the crime is bad. Lost a game that way. Sometimes you get answers too. I think Kurbio is a red herring, but I could be wrong. I just have that gut feeling with things being said that it is a red herring. I admitted it was a post full of WIFOM, but I needed to write it out if things don't go well today to remind myself for later.
Honestly the only two people I feel aren't scummy is you and pawnyee. So I would like to hear your thoughts on who is scum and why.

Once again a reference to the WIFOM and a subtle WIFOM in there too. Don't bother with WIFOMs, there is no way of proving anything and all they do is confuse town. I don;t know why time and time again you keep referencing them except for the fact that you're scum. I don't know who you're partner is yet but after this readthrough it really seems as though Farside is scum.

vote: Farside22