Mini #556 - The Most Excellent People Ever - Called.

[PJ.]

Vote:Korlash

For trying to lynch the jester. Are you stupid? He wins when he dies.

[PJ.]

Can we change the title of the thread to Day 1?

Sorry bout that, I'm a dumbass

[PJ.]

I still say we should bandwagon korlash seeing he voted a jester and he knew he was a jester.

[PJ.]

Rosso

, why are there asterics by Urzassedatives in the 1st post?

[PJ.]

But he wins if you lynch him! You are supposed to nightkill the jester. See more people should vote korlash I think he is a funny survivor.

[PJ.]

Thank you ^5.

So..is korlash dead yet?

[PJ.]

Unvote:Korlash

Holy shit guys, come on. First of all. lynch korlash wouldn't be a record right now..I've played an entire Newbie game (two lynchs) by the time korlash got to -1.

FoS Urza, UA, The Jester and RotN

Urza

: For wanting Korlash to be hammered and lynched for no apparent reason. It's page 3, why for the love of god would you want someone lynched right now. I'm also assuming your not a total newb cause I have seen you at MTGS and if I remember correctly, you have mafia over there. Give me a *good* reason why korlash should be lynched.

UA

: Simply cause I don't like his joking about Unlynchable scum claims at the 3 spot.

RotN

: DO NOT PUT SOMEONE AT -1 WITHOUT A GOOD REASON AND NOT ON PAGE 2

Vote:RotN

The Jester

: Awesome WIFOM and really no reason to put Korlash at -2 and I just have a really bad feeling about this guy. Seriously though, who uses the "If I were scum" arguement.

[PJ.]

Killjoy? I think I'm to lame to get that joke? Am I killing joy by playing mafia? And is it Nurse Joy from pokemon I'm killing or joy as in happiness?

[PJ.]

UA, I'm not contributing actively?

Anyway,

FoS: Urza

for being soo damn hostile and reckless. Are you even putting though nto your post.

Huge FoS: Jester

I don't know if you are being scummy or stupid..the lines have become blurrier and blurrier as this game has gone on.

[PJ.]

I can agree with your second point, although I think your excluding newbie scum and you think is clouded by the "too scum" fallacy. On your first point, how are we supposed to analyze actions if we arbitrarily lynch Korlash, and why exactly is korlash the one we should lynch? And arn't you the one who brought up this discussion about discussion? And why would ceaselessly ending day with out much discussion and limiting information to the town be good for the town?

No, we can not get back to lynch Korlash. What do you think about RotN's vote that put him and -1?

[PJ.]

I disagree that no one brings up Day 1 discussion in following days, and if Rosso gives me premission I will link you to at least 5. I know I can find 5 Becaus a game I'm currently in just did it and a few other I have been in in the recent past, that have sense ended. Also Day 1 breadcrumbs are easier to find when there is time to actually breadcrumb, ok Einstein?


Anyway,

Unvote, Vote: Jester

He seems to be going with the flow and trying to make himself more credible by bring up "something mith posted 100 years ago" I really haven't liked Jesters play at all. It seems he has a plan. Town doesn't have very distinct plans, sure they plan to lynch scum but that is more a goal then a plan.

[PJ.]

It's alright that you use traps and "new tactics" to try to catch scum, but in my humble opinion, those traps have more of a chance of catching the stupid then the scummy. The very idea of trapping someone and creating this grand scheme seems like you think you a much smarter then everyone else who plays mafia. I'd much rather be patient and trudge through random discussion and try to manage a decent lynch out of Day 1. Being patient and waiting for an opening to attack has done be pretty well over the years(In addition to playing mafia, I'm a semi-pro MMA fighter). In short, trapping people only works when your either far more experianced and/or more intelligent then those you're trying to trap and generally those that meticulously plan are the ones with more information. I think I just had an epiphany.

Unvote, Vote:RotN

for the original putting Korlash at -1.

P.S. I think Korlash is town due to not seeing anything that I would consider scummy. I am not gonna vote/lynch korlash at this point but may consider it in the future.

[PJ.]

Some then you wouldn't mind if I rolled a Dice and we lynched that person, instead of Korlash?


For future purposes this will be the dice

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (11) = 11

[PJ.]

To further my question, Would you be lynch Who Me? and Do you think that my dice roll was is/was better then any/all of the conversation we have pulled from today?

[PJ.]

Jester, What information do you get about how people reacted from an arbitrary random wagon? How do you cipher peoples intention when all they are doing is saying "Vote __" in bold?

Well, to be honest I picked korlash because he's annoying and stupid, and seeing as there are only like 4 players in this game whose play I respect and whome is not one of them, no I do not mind. I still prefer korlash though,

First of all, I don't appreciate you answering a question directed to RotN. Second(more serious), Am I one of those 4 players?

[PJ.]

Urza, Would you be comfortable lynching RotN? Why would Korlash make a better lynch then RotN? Do you really respect his -1 vote?

[PJ.]

Was that question directed at you?

[PJ.]

Korlash, It has nothing to do with me wanting Urza and I to hijack the thread. I actually scolded Urza for doing the same thing when I directed a question at Ranger of the North. If I wanted your open I would have done one of two things: Asked You or Asked everyone. The point of directing a question at someone is to get an answer from that person. Also answering a question for someone else is considered a scumtell for various reasons. Anyway, I would like Urza and RotN to answer the questions I have directed at them

And Korlash how would you feel if I answered this question:

Jester, how can you say Cave has a point and yet still be voting me along with urza under the reasoning, "lynch first, discuss later."?

Anyway, since I'm talking about Korlash, is the only reason that you think Jester is scum because he has changed his playstyle? Seriously, I change my playstyle on a regular basis. If you can't come up wit anything beside the fact that "I know him in RL and I've played with him alot and he's not this way" then I'm going to have to

Vote:Korlash

[PJ.]

Wow..What a ridiculous fucking reach. I was 2nd on your wagon when you were at -1 and I pulled off. If I was just trying to get a bullshit lynch I would have left my vote on you and I would have had 0 pressure on me. Don't even try to call this WIFOM because before I stepped in and said something everyone was for your lynch and most of those people are still for your lynch. I legitmately think you are scum now, especially after that reach and half.

And by your logic, you and Urza are scummates that have set a new bar for distancing.l

[PJ.]

You said if I answered jester's question you can easily make it seem like we are buddies and that there is a link there. You answered Urza's question and there has been a lot more interaction between you and Urza then Jester and I. Therefore, by your own logic, you and Urza are very distanced(for lack of a better word) scum partners.

Couldn't I just as easily not posted Korlash and just rode it? No one would have bothered me about a random vote when someone dropped the hammer page 2-3. That also would have been the path of least resistence making it oh so much easier to have you lynched for no reason, if that was my intention.

[PJ.]

Cavebear, I believe Urza's is going to be replaced. so waiting for his response might be fruitless.

[PJ.]

Urza was an alt BTW. TSQ = Urzassedatives. He made it in the same name of person from MTGS which is who I thought it was. Anyway, I believe Rosso has been asked by tsq to replace him.

I didn't like your vote because you had a shit reason not because it was on Jester. Unfortunately, that is the reason that is going to get you lynched, the fact that you have crap logic.

[PJ.]

I have played with a few people who i have known half my life and I thought I may have had a lsightly better read but not enough drastic enough to call them out hands down. For proof, my first big game on here i think it was like 55 or something like that. I was in it with TheJiveMachine. I've known him for 5 years and I was also in a game with a guy screennamed John, I have known him as well for about 5 years. I believe I read jive correct but I read john completely wrong. And there are games where I have read Jive completely wrong and completely right. What I don't trust is your confidence and the fact that you have not made a legitmate case. I can honestly buy that he has changed his playstyle. Another thing I don't like is you have more chemistry with him, making it easier toread when ther other wants distancing, something I don't think is impossible to do very well.

Thank you for calling be a good play korlash, and FTR I voted for the comical 4th option in your poll and had intention of posting that you have a alot of potential to be an excellant player. The problem with a lot of us year and a half and less guys is that we are still developing(some exceptions to this rule). Good is relative, and I know I have progressed during my time here and I have seen some of your progression. This is another reason I don't buy meta on occasion, it depends whether or not the person has actual tells. JDog is an example of some that meta has a lot of use for. You and Me(and Jester) I don't believe it would work to well due to developing skill level.

Honestly, the dots don't mean anything

FoS:Lloyd

Now post something useful

[PJ.]

Cavebear took the words out of my mouth, Kira is such an ambigeuos claim because there are like at least 8(hoping for the softcore pornstar). Anyway, why name claim at this point? Before you clarify which Kira you are, by a show of hands, how many of us are fictional characters?

[PJ.]

I was of the same think Who Me? was and I didn't see the Ivan Ooze thing. Anyway, I'm totally not okay with the claim.

[PJ.]

Huge FoS: Lloyd

Why would you answer for someone else...honestly..It's ridiculously scummy, even more so in this situation. Also.."They wanted lynchs and I'm gonna vote for the one with the most votes" is just scummy. You go for who you want..not who has more votes. I hate this post and all his other posts.. Seems like scum wanted to reignite the RotN wagon.

[PJ.]

Unvote:Vote:Lloyd

I like it here. RotN, defend your L-1 vote and Than needs to expalin claim, but for now I'm gonna be on Llyod assuming I get awesome reasons from the other 2.

[PJ.]

Alright guys..Llyod should be lynched instead of Jester.

[PJ.]

Do I really have to make a case?

[PJ.]

I'm still down with a Lloyd lynch.

[PJ.]

Alright, since when is vote hoping non-contextual evidence. I voted all of those people for good reasons. You can not tell me that none of the people are voted for were acting scummy when I voted for them. Also the reason vote hopping is bad is when they are bandwagoning. I have not been bandwagoning at all. That is what makes hoping scummy, not just voting..Shit i can switch my vote every damn post and that doesn't reflect my alignment if I'm doing it for good reasons...or just to be annoying. Annoying people are town all the time(BM).

You on the other hand. PBPA time.

1: Random vote on Lovo.
2: Disagreeing with Lovo.
3. Asking if his UA's elipses were code after he said they were elipses
4. Saying you missed is explanation after you were scolded
5. Repeats what everyone else has been saying abot Urza and RotN vote on RotN, no FoS on Urza
6. "Hey guys I'm bandwagoning RotN and you all should ignore thanatos claim"
7. Gives Urza's replacement an excuse for not being able to speak on the subject pretty much negating most of day 1's discussion. Seems like some scum would do to protect his buddy.
8-9. Nothing
10. Attacks Lovo for saying longer day 1's are good, Agreeing with Urza.
11. Defeats by breadcrumb reasoning aka strawman's my arguement.
12. Scolds jester for his No lynch but it's just a slap on the wrist, smells like distancing
13. Defends Urza again from Cavebear's thought of stronger personalities directing lynchs. Llyod pretty much says that strong personalties are gonna dictate games regardless.
14. typos making his post almost unreadable. pretty much saying that stown can slip just as easily as scum.
15. Big table and votes me for hoping (already addressed this
16. typos are awesome.

It seems like he has been buddying up to Urza and distancing to Jester and Lovo. He also lurked all throughout the Urza and Korlash situation and only making comments on it once the situation completely diffuses. Seems to want to avoid attention and is really protective of Urza. Also tried to half as distance from Urza in order to later say he doesn't buddy up to him. I honestly think Llyod is scum and is today's best lynch. All this is in addition to a strong gut feeling.

[PJ.]

The hop between Jester and RotN was due to Urza's reasoning, I felt that I should have just stayed put and FoSed Jester. As Korlash said..I've actually presented reasons for the votes..ones that are actually viable not just ones based on rules that have spread wildly through the site because a few good players said it a few times.

[PJ.]

That seems like a false dilemma. You don't have to lynch either of us.

FoS

Lovo. A lot of people in this game are scummy but you all can't be scum...

[PJ.]

well You know my answer...

[PJ.]

well You know my answer...

i do??

or u think lloyd is scum? (is that your answer to like everything)

Well if it's between me and lloyd wouldn't it be logical for me to want you to vote lloyd?

Tyhess is defienently pretty scum lurker ness. Who Me? is lurking quite bad.

[PJ.]

im thinking to myself out allowed....just trying to work out wat i want to do...usually i wouldnt bother about posting it...but it seams people here dont like that, so ive started posting wat i think
i beleive one of these guys is anti town...(though not 100%)
hence i wanna make sure

I wonder what he means working out what he want's to do. Are trying to lynch whichever person is better for your scum group? This just seems scummy along with a few other of your posts.

FoS:Lovo

I'm not gonna switch due to me thinking llyod is exetremely scummy and I think I've caught scum.

[PJ.]

PBPA time.

1: Random vote on Lovo.
2: Disagreeing with Lovo.
3. Asking if his UA's elipses were code after he said they were elipses
4. Saying you missed is explanation after you were scolded
5. Repeats what everyone else has been saying abot Urza and RotN vote on RotN, no FoS on Urza
6. "Hey guys I'm bandwagoning RotN and you all should ignore thanatos claim"
7. Gives Urza's replacement an excuse for not being able to speak on the subject pretty much negating most of day 1's discussion. Seems like some scum would do to protect his buddy.
8-9. Nothing
10. Attacks Lovo for saying longer day 1's are good, Agreeing with Urza.
11. Defeats by breadcrumb reasoning aka strawman's my arguement.
12. Scolds jester for his No lynch but it's just a slap on the wrist, smells like distancing
13. Defends Urza again from Cavebear's thought of stronger personalities directing lynchs. Llyod pretty much says that strong personalties are gonna dictate games regardless.
14. typos making his post almost unreadable. pretty much saying that stown can slip just as easily as scum.
15. Big table and votes me for hoping (already addressed this
16. typos are awesome.

It seems like he has been buddying up to Urza and distancing to Jester and Lovo. He also lurked all throughout the Urza and Korlash situation and only making comments on it once the situation completely diffuses. Seems to want to avoid attention and is really protective of Urza. Also tried to half as distance from Urza in order to later say he doesn't buddy up to him. I honestly think Llyod is scum and is today's best lynch. All this is in addition to a strong gut feeling.

Llyod is clearly scum and nothing sense the PBPA has helped him any. I think Lovo is scum as well.

[PJ.]

And on top of that, you did reference a role that, to my knowledge through Jesters reaction, would have been scum, so Than quite technical did joke claim scum.

[PJ.]

Oy, I got the vibe from jestert that Kira would be scum. Anyway, what I meant was to add to guardians arguement but it doesn't really matter I'm still lynching scum(Llyod).

And Llyod you pointing out my vote hopping has little do with me stopped changing my vote. Your scum, thats why my vote has stayed.

[PJ.]

Urza/Guardian very well could be your partner, and no that doesn't change his alignment..or yours.

[PJ.]

*cheers* Go Anix

[PJ.]

The Than thing is really kinda upsetting but I don't know if I want to vote him just yet, I may be voting too much?

[PJ.]

I was being sarcastic Lovo, I still think Lloyd > Thanatos.

[PJ.]

I was being sarcastic Lovo, I still think Lloyd > Thanatos.

Sarcasm out of annoyance or anger?

neither, and would it make a difference? The answer is C. You are scum and I think your assertion on my vote hopping is really really really stupid.

[PJ.]

I would also like an explanation.

[PJ.]

Well, Do we lynch Than for not participating or do we lynch llyod for being scum..my vote still goes on Llyod.

[PJ.]

lol..I prefer a hanging Llyod.

[PJ.]

Pfft..lmao

In before Bitch Fisted.

[PJ.]

Dizzy, Did you read my reasons for voting Llyod? How clear must I be? Since then he has lurked hardcore and grasped at straws for his big "aha" reason. Which would have outted a cop btw. Must I be more clear?

[PJ.]

Dizzy beat me to the prompt bitch fisting of that terrible point. You're not trying to lynch scum Llyod, your trying to lynch not you. You're grasping at straws trying to find scummy things, in a game where just about every damn player is scummy. You could have easily had an aha moment and maybe changed someone's mind but with that chance where you claimed brilliance, you tried to out the cop. If I wasn't 70% sure that you were scum, I'd probably be on Korlash still, but I'm just hoping he catchs a vig shot to the face so I don't have to waste another month pushing another lynch of someone who is soo ridiculously scummy.

[PJ.]

Above I said 70% in post 404 so I guess a 7. But to be more clear I would say somewhere around betting a semi large amount of money..50-100 american dollars. So a good sports bet I would say.

[PJ.]

Dizzy could always put him at L-1.

[PJ.]

Sounds Good *high 5* I'm gonna watch fearless now.

[PJ.]

Read Guardian.

[PJ.]

yes, now stop picking a fight with me of a small grammar issue and read.

[PJ.]

I'm gonna have to

Unvote, Vote:Korlash

because he kept trying to derail the Llyod wagon(albeit weakly) by focusing on jester for absolutely no reason. I would also like to

HoS:Guardian

for his action during twilight.

[PJ.]

Hm. My gambit worked . Lloyd, you're claiming scum for reals, right?

What gambit, you just said, "claim"

Okay, cool, thanks.

I'd like to hammer Lloyd, so if someone would place the lynch -1 vote and allow him to claim.

Being suspicious of Korlash is internally inconsistent with your The Jester vote.

I'm guessing Korlash is your scum buddy that you're busing, though, thanks!

"Hi guys, I want everyone to know I hammered so it doesn't look like I bussed my buddy so can someone put him at -1? Oh yea, and when you call me scum for bussing, remember kids, Vote korlash because llyod is suspicious of him" Telegraph less.

I hate you. I was going to hammer once everyone posted.

I think Korlash is scum.

PJ good job busing/finding scum. Me, good job closing the deal.

Town, good job scum d1 lynch!

"Damnit you ruined my perfect bus oppurtunity although I had several chances to hammer, remember kids Korlash is scum for 'bussing'. Good job guy who created the wagon, but hey look at me I got him lynched when I didn't vote for him or even drive the wagon I just applied unneed pressure at the end because the other guy was gonna keep apply pressure anyway. Go Town for lynching scum that isn't revealed scum"

[PJ.]

EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote:Guardian

[PJ.]

Honestly, That is what it comes off as. From a neutral, scum-hunting perspective, that is what your actions come across as. And your scum, so shh.

[PJ.]

Out of Context. And your actions in twilight and today have surpassed his pushing an empty jester lynch. At least he hammered had the balls to man up and hammer. I think you both are scum bussing eachother honestly.

[PJ.]

"All you guys are scummy and i can't possibly see anything i did that is remotely scum, so pity me I give up, Can I use my fake claim now?"

Way to go dude. Giving up and trying to get pity unvotes always wins us over!

[PJ.]

how does a stomach bug affect posting?

[PJ.]

Sorry, never been too sick to think straight and normal sitting still makes me feel better. Occasionaly I exercise out my sickness and if that doesn't work chilling out in front of a screen normally does, so I apoligize.

[PJ.]

I honestly don't care cause i'm convinced its fake already

[PJ.]

I have a large feeling Guardian is lying. His unquotable quote that clears him isn't said by Juan Rico. It's said by Lieutenant Jean Rasczak. And again, Rico would never kill someone who was helpless.

[PJ.]

Okay,

Unvote:Vote Korlash

[PJ.]

dude, seriously. We need some posting.

[PJ.]

Well I think it would be beneficial to know DizzyIzzy role due to my not believeing she has reason to know mine and me having a win condition that says i win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Unvote:Vote DizzyIzzy

Cavebear I can't make the whole game happen with out help. I feel I have been pushing this game quite a bit.

[PJ.]

I don't want a mass claim I was simply stating the ridiculousness of her saying i should claim. BattleMage...oy. I see. I need nothing else. Shall I claim Dizzy?

[PJ.]

Unvote: Dizzy

[PJ.]

Siddartha Gautama - Postponed Omniscient If I survive until Day 5 I get to see the alignments of remaining players. I was also warned of a handicap. I was not informed as to what it was..but I feel it has something to with with Battlemage.

[PJ.]

Dizzy is the role cop. I didn't think she was cop until she said Batttlemage then I started thinking, her previous reaction with the Battlemage thing(who is regarded as unexcellent) started me thinking. I didn't know what the handicap was(could have been anything) but it makes sense that bad results are given for me seeing I have a ridiculous ability if I make it that long.

Dizzy- The post implied that I knew you got a result on me that had something to do with battlemage. I didn't claim immediately because I wanted you to give me the okay(it is your investigation and role) By the way wouldn't you think someone would counterclaim me, buddha isn't exactly someone who isn't excellent or unheard of. A fake claim with someone that common isn't exactly easy.

@Oman - neither of us are scum.

[PJ.]

Siddhārtha Gautama, in Sanskrit, or Siddhattha Gotama, in Pali, was a spiritual teacher from ancient India and the founder of Buddhism.

There you go Korlash. And also on your whole subjective excellence thing. I'm an atheist, and I believe that Jesus, Mohammed, and Siddhārtha Gautama were all excellent, and had followers who established their teachings so much so that we still know their lessons today. It may be bullshit, but excellence nonetheless.

I just lost a huge post.

Dizzy started avidly going after me, and at that point I wasn't sure cause it was well after the whole Guardian thing(which strikes me as weird). I called her bluff. She then stated Battlemage after somebody asked her what information she had. At that point, I figured she was some kind of role cop and had investigated me ensuing my handicap. I was told I had a handicap but not told it had to due with Battlemage. Previously I suspected it was some sort of miller handicap. Dizzy, right now you are just argueing semantics, How I said over What I said. Look, when someone hints they have info on you, then says something assumed to be scum, and you know you have a handicap, wouldn't it become evident what your handcap is. All I was mentioning in my role claim is that Rosso told me there was a handicap but did not specify.

[PJ.]

I only missed the scripted a which wasn't given to me by rosso.

And Dizzy you are, because what makes you so sure that i'm scum is that at first at sounded like i knew and second i sounded like I didn't. I did know cause it did say Handicap. You were pretty much argueing that the words "it might" have something to do with BM. I mistyped. I should have said "It probably is why you got that result" but for all I know we can have a role name switcher and my handicap is completely different. It still can be anything, but I'm pretty sure it is a fake role name/miller handicap.

[PJ.]

I don't believe it is overpowerred with a miller handicap. Because Day 5 is a loooong way to go, especially when your outted day 2. I have to not catch a night kill 3 nights in a row. The miller thing matters a whole lot, cause there can be multiple cops in this too.

[PJ.]

When did I claim NK immune?

Oman explain how what I'm doing is similar to you in PegBam. You said you claimed eash facet of your role. Are you saying you believe my omniscience? The only way the me and you could be similar in those situations are if I'm somekind of omniscient survivor(named BM). And seriously, I'm an asshole but who busses there buddy day 1 for no reason?

[PJ.]

I'd rather you investigate someone else you can't read..Confirming Guardian isn't high on the priority list. I believe we have accepted him as town.

FoS:WhoMe? for directing the cop

Izzy..theyd have to guess which one us they want to kill. Because I'm sure one/both will draw doc protection(if there is a doc).

[PJ.]

If you don't... well, we have a problem, because I don't believe that in a closed set-up game, he'd not be told he's a miller of any kind. There's a strong case against him.

Since when does knowing your a miller and closed game set-up have anything to do with each other. There are secret mod notes all the times. This game is in coney island you know. Its themed, anything can happen, less rules apply. Now your just reaching.

Unvote, WhoME

if I'm not already voting, quite obviously the scummiest person in the game right now.

[PJ.]

Fools.

[PJ.]

Wow, yeah Jester. Wow man. This guy loves coming Late to the party. It's like he is scum trying to act townie or something

Vote:Jester

[PJ.]

I give up, I have A broken Hand, Guardian and I are scum togethor.

[PJ.]

no

[PJ.]

Think about it...Battlemage = Jester. Kthanks. Muah I win.