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[eljcko]

/CONFIRMED

[eljcko]

Vote: mikeburnfire

for being absent this weekend

[eljcko]

Yay! We're in random voting!

Vote: Random

ehm... sorry, I meant...

UNVOTE Vote: Eljcko

for having 4 straight consonants. (May I shorten it to El?)

You can call me EL. The L is to be capitalized, or else I will vote for you. Deal?

[eljcko]

El


El


El

Vote UltimaAvalon

I just ran through a spanish to english translator and got this:

The The The

Vote UltimaAvalon

Are you a Mexican? If yes, are you an illegal immigrant?

[eljcko]

You do realize you just put vote #3 on El right?

Yes.

Professor Mafia knows basic addition.

:applause:

[eljcko]

vote ryan

Why?

[eljcko]

vote ryan

Why?

Maybe for RANDOMVOTINGSTAGE's sake

He could at least make up some RANDOMVOTINGSTAGECRAPPYREASON.

[eljcko]

You really need one? What for?

My own personal amusement.
DUHHHHH!

[eljcko]

Nobody asked me a reason for my random vote

Anywayz ...

SCUM = 19+3+21+13 = 56
ELJCKO = 5+12+10+3+11+15 = 56

Confirm Vote : Eljcko

That was very clever of you. So clever, in fact, that I was tempted to vote for myself. But that would be dumb. But is the inverse true? Let's see the truth value of this. A=26, Z=1.

Eljcko = 22+15+17+24+16+12= 106
Scum = 8+24+6+14= 52

Since the inverse is false, you cannot make this 100% true. Therefore this logic is not 100% reliable.

unvote, vote ooba

for having unreliable math and not completely reliable logic. And you thought you could trick me. HAHA

[eljcko]

vote: MBF

explain.

Maybe for RANDOMVOTINGSTAGE's sake

I just think most of us are just about to die if a good debate doesn't start. The natives are growing restless. Quick, someone say something stupid we all can attack on it.

[eljcko]

No we're arguing about why the random stage is a myth YET he voted along with it.

OH MY GOODNESS SOMEONE CALL 911 PLEASE.
But seriously, its not that big of a deal, simmer down.

[eljcko]

Ohh, I haven't posted in a while.

Most of the actual contriversy is towards MBF. From what it seems, he just likes like he is trapping scum, testing the waters. It is wierd, but I don't have too much of a problem with him.

SlySly is acting a bit wierd but one of his later posts kind of justifies his acting. Nothing much going on so far, I guess I will do a re-read, look for some holes.

[eljcko]

I just did a re-read and the only new thing that struck me was ryan flipping out at hasdaskjdhflk about the day 1 myth crap. I doubt that has any tells on him as role, but there is not anything else that I haven't touched on in my other post. This game needs more action IMO. Start talking (typing)!!!!!

[eljcko]

Okay, I have a bad note with the Super God King Wagon. I hate wagons to move games along. hasd starts with a vote, I am iffy on that. Then ooba just agrees, I don't care for that move. Then Korts votes for the heck of bandwagoning like ooba, and even calls it OMGUS himself. Then lovo goes in and puts him in L-3 situation. This wagon gives me a bad feeling inside. There are other things to do than bandwagon to keep this game alive, like re-reads and such. At least we have something to talk about now.

[eljcko]

First off, eljcko, lovo's vote didn't count, since there's not a bolded "Vote"

Also, do you have a problem with me voting SPK for his statement. That statement leads to active lurking, which is scummy.

Did not catch lovo's mastake, but I assume he meant to vote. I am a bit iffy on you voting on SGK, only because I saw an FOS more sutable. If there was no bandwagon, I would not hae made mention to your vote. Mostly because he admitted to activly lurking.

Its the bandwagoners I have a problem with it. Why do ooba and Korts bandwagon for the heck of it? I know they are going to say to move the game along, so its pointless to even try. Then lovo (I know his vote did not count, but the game is dying so:

why not join the bandwagon

I really don't care for that type of voting like you could care less what happens,

FOS: Lovo

. I am also wathcing ooba and korts, since they are not clean either.

[eljcko]

b) itt is annoying when someone is submarining and then comes back votes and leaves...

didn't you do that, lovo?

no i actually gave a reason for voting...
he voted then left no reason...
@ hasdgfas
i play the same in every game i play its just wat i do...i generally dislike the whole day 1 thing...try and stay out of it...pop in once a day see how stuff is. i can provide u links if u really want....

Well first of all, SGK's only vote before he voted for you was a random one. That makes your arguement on him very stupid.

If you don't care for D1 randomness, don't worry, we are done with that. We have some discussion going on, so why don't you help lead this discussion, like you said you do on D2. The last thing the town needs is some lazy lurker.

Unvote; Vote-lovo14

[eljcko]

meh i am vanilla......... without quoting my pm
i am colonel of foxhound. im not to smart apparantly, but i am loyal
and i have no abilities (hence the vanilla)

Why would the Colonel of FOXHOUND have no special abilities? It just does not make sense to me. I think you are hiding something.

[eljcko]

Lovo, you want us to vote UA just because he did not believe your claim? Quite frankly, I am on the same boat as UA, there is something you are hiding about your role.

[eljcko]

I am going to jump to conclusions and assume Sniper Wolf was our vig. Any other thoughts?

[eljcko]

I think UA's play isn't that scummy. Lovo's reactions and to some extent his claim justified his lynch.

\

I, for one, while I don't care for the way to destroy the wonderful language that is English,

am not lynching you for the way you play, but because of your claim

. I believe there is a distinct chance that Campbell is Scum, and there is no way that he is Vanilla.

Please read bold statement.

Also, Sly, why do you call defending UA scummy? Is everyone who defends UA scummy?

[eljcko]

Alright, I get that. And I said that his lynch was justified by his playstyle, not that UA's vote was. Also, if you look into it, UA's initial suspicion was raised by lovo's reactions.

I am not saying lovo's lynch was unjustified, he was acting like a fool. UA did nothing wrong, Roy Cambell might have been scum. Still waiting on Sly though.

[eljcko]

Also, Sly, why do you call defending UA scummy? Is everyone who defends UA scummy?

From what I have seen in the games I have played, there are only 2 reasons a player would be defending another player and neither are good for the town IMO.

1. The player doing the defending is the scum buddy of the defendee.
2. The player doing the defending is in the same cult as the defendee.

UA was awfully bullheaded in his stance against lovo in Day 1. Does anyone else find it interesting that UA has yet to post in Day 2?

You forgot #3

3. The player doing the defending is of the thought that the defendee is town.

Just thought I might throw that out there. I also agree UA should post soon.

[eljcko]

Great Admiral Overlord Mod Sarcastro

:

Can you send prods to all the players that have not posted on D2. We really need to get som discussion going.

On a side note, I agree with thantos.

[eljcko]

UA, though I am not perfect, I try to never defend other players as some read defense of others as a scumtell. Are you trying to breed confusion for the town?

I don't think so, because actually I agree with him.

If you think someone else's thoughts are correct or that his play is good, you try to use your logic to defend a possible innocent.

Answering questions directly addressed to another person is very scummy, IMO.

Sly, I really do not understand your actions today. You are saying that everything the players are doing is a scumtell, like defending or stepping in to answer questions. Is Andy scum because he "defends" UA (i use defend lightly, more of an agree) or because he answered something adressed to UA?

[eljcko]

Sly's scumradar is a little bit sensitive today, isn't it? I'd prefer you t biuld an actual case on someone rather than simply vote at the first sign of "scuminess"

FoS: SlySly

Where the hell is hasdgfas?

In Vermont, duh.

I have been suspicious of UA since day 1 and have already pointed out the reasons why. As far as my scumdar sensitivity goes, I have not been throwing around votes. Misquoting people is anti-town and is more than enough reason to vote for someone.

Your OMGUS FoS seems to be another defense of UA from you. I'm getting the feeling that you two may be scum buddies.

I am sorry to say he was making fun of you.

[eljcko]

I am sorry to say he was making fun of you.

Well, I am sorry to say, I am past the sarcasm of day 1 randomness.

That was not sarcasm. You obviously did not get that comment.

[eljcko]

Sly- your stupid misquoting rampage should stop, it is not a big deal. I am pretty sure he was referring to you calling everyone out for being scummy for defending and it gave UA the impression that youy thought you were perfect. There are plenty of other things to touch on with UA.

UA- I do not know why you refuse to answer thantos' question, please answer it. And what the heck is up with your 2 questions to Sly, where are you trying to get at?

ooba- post please

[eljcko]

^^^ That was much needed ^^^

[eljcko]

^^^ That was much needed ^^^

That it was, asshole.

I really do not know if you are angry at me for attacking, or angry that you are losing and trying to ignore my point.

[eljcko]

Stop encouraging him.

I will, but I still want to know what crawled up his butt and died.

[eljcko]

Oh Benevolent and Just Admiral Stukov:

Please replace or modkill SlySly. His sudden and rash actions are detrimental to t
Ihe well-being and overall playability of the game and its players

I second this motion.

[eljcko]

Oh Benevolent and Just Admiral Stukov:

Please replace or modkill SlySly. His sudden and rash actions are detrimental to t
Ihe well-being and overall playability of the game and its players

I second this motion.

Way to support your scum buddy!!!

You posted some actual info now, so I withdraw that. But those things are said to JD so I will wait for ooba and korts to speak because they have said very little

[eljcko]

As promised ...

eljcko 122 :

Defends Sly's backtracking

I just did a re-read and the only new thing that struck me was ryan flipping out at hasdaskjdhflk about the day 1 myth crap.

I doubt that has any tells on him as role

, but there is not anything else that I haven't touched on in my other post. This game needs more action IMO. Start talking (typing)!!!!!

I'd like the bolded part explained please ..

eljcko 239 :

Role Speculation does not help


Town
~~~~
Korts
UA
Andy

Neutral
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Jdodge
Thanatos
eljcko
Llyod

Scum
~~~~~~
SlySly

vote : SlySly

I meant mafia or town. I should have said alliance to be much more clear in that statement. I also asked because I wanted to know what sniper wolf did, or if like roy cambell, she was vanilla. That could be very helpful so we don't lynch a named character with a vanilla claim again.

Now my question back is, after disagreeing strongly about UA and korts, why do you have them on your town list? You say nothing else about them in your analysis.

[eljcko]

Your analysis is not very good. Not very good at all, but it does seem in line with what has happened so far in this game.

If it is not good, why is it in line. Or is that just because you were labeled in the scum category?

Unfortunately, I wasted my investigatory skill on MBF last night, who turned up town and dead. Take this however you want to as I will not elaborate.

Intresting.

I guess his idiotic play was misinterpretted as scum. That seems to be a fairly common occurence. Act like a fool as town and be mistaken as scum.

Very true, that is why some people are voting for you.

UA, if it is not pro-town, it is anti-town.

I don't necisarily agree with things that are one or another, scumtells very depending on the meta, which you touch on a bit. Player A's vote hopping might be a scumtell for him, but Player B may always vote hop, so that is not reliable as an anti-town move for him.

ooba, you vote surprises me not seeing how I called you out for being the scum hammer on the lovo townie train. Don't try to tell me how to play. If I wanna act like lovo, I will. Lovo was town, if you don't remember, so don't get all "you are acting like lovo so you must be scum" or I will have to respond with "your scum finding skills were shit when you hammered lovo just like they are shit with you accusing me of being scum."

Here is a fact that some need to realize, someone being an asshole does not make them scum.

Solid point on ooba, still hasn't explained the hammer vote yet. The last point is good, but being a jerk never helps your cause.

[eljcko]

JD, could you please explain your vote on ooba. I looked at your posts and find no reference to him. You make an excellent post on Sly, but then you vote ooba.

[eljcko]

JD, could you please explain your vote on ooba. I looked at your posts and find no reference to him. You make an excellent post on Sly, but then you vote ooba.

I think Sly is an idiot, not scum. And I'll elaborate on ooba at a time I feel it fit to elaborate on ooba. Like tomorrow. Or Monday.

Fair enough.

I will also announce that I will be gone starting Monday morning and until April 1st, the deadline. I contacted the Great Admiral and he has not replied, but I would like to stay in this game.

[eljcko]

I am back. Will post on Wendsday.

[eljcko]

Sorry for my lack of posting, I am very busy with a play and track, but I am uncomfortable with ooba and Sly being wagoned. I don't have time now, but I will post hopefully a lot tomorrow.

[eljcko]

I finally finished beating Ratchet & Clank Future, so time for a nice big post.

First of all, I am not for the Sly lynch at the time. First of all, he claimed he had an investigating role. We don't know if it is one-shot or something else, but it would be stupid to kill him on this day. I will not lynch someone who is very close to a cop like role. But then again, it is very convienient that MBF died day one.

@all fellow townies

The mental energy required for my work here at Foxhound really takes a lot out of me. The heckling you guys dish out in the cubicle area when I am merely trying to assist you guys, really gets on my nerves and gets me very angry from time to time. You guys know I do good work, so try to keep it down when things get busy so I can meditate.

@ Sly:

What the heck does this mean? Should I be looking for deeper meaning?

I am going to re-read D2 then post again.

[eljcko]

Wrong. Try again.

Also, you still haven't apologized to Eljcko

He doesn't have too, its just the internet.

Overall, I have absolutley no clue who to vote for, and we have a tie right now for the person to lynch. Quick look over posts, then I shall decide what to do.

[eljcko]

Just read the rules and ooba dies in this tie situation. The only two people that can prevent an ooba death are SlySly and UA with the current wagons. Sly had a major mood swing and in general acted like a moron, but moron=/=scum. UA has not done much, but he has been very shady, inconsistant and confusing. That does not equal scum either. But I am against Sly and ooba lynches because of claims.

vote:Ultima Avalon

You are normally a casual person overall, but your D1 adamentness (pretend its a word) goes against that, and then you are casual again. Your behavior is very fishy, and your lurking does not help your cause.

And I have no clue what this means in light of oobas slaim and Sly's vote change:

Wrong. Try again.

Overall, I am voting for the person right now that is potentially the most useless to the town. Sly said he could investigate, I won't lynch him yet. ooba said he is a hacker, which has potential for tracking and investigating too. But seeing how this game is going, everyone might have a name with several named vanillas. UA has not done anything useful and has no claim (considering of course he did not have time.) UA has the least potential and with no other leads I am going to go with him.

[eljcko]

crap, I thought yesterday was the deadine. Thought it was the 8th. Still good with my vote though.

[eljcko]

Weird...No Powerroles yet?

Wow. Rolefishing, and you sound very disappointed.

Vote Thantos

[eljcko]

@ SLY
Intresting arguements on andy and jd. But the SGK wagon is a wierd one. You forgot who started the wagon, hasdskdjh, a confirmed mafia. If you think Andy and JD are scumbuddies, you have to look into the conflict of interest of that wagon. That would mean that Cow was trying to ax his own partner.

[eljcko]

Well, I quess I read that part wrong, tell me if I have it right.

You think that Andy indirectly helped SGK by shifting the attention off of SGK and to lovo.

But this is my thought process, just to clarify. cow votes SGK, korts and ooba hop on right away, copycat votes as you call them. SGK AKA JDodge is now at 3 votes. Then lovo pops in with his vote, now its L-3. Because lovo kept the vote, Andy makes an FOS.

Cow (mafia) started the wagon on SGK (JD), and Andy disliked the wagon. If Andy and JDodge have this alleged connection, there is a conflict of interest. If you think andy is scummy (and in turn JDodge) then Cow voted for his own partner. I don't think that makes sense.

[eljcko]

You have it wrong.

Andy indirectly defended SGK by describing the copycat votes, as Andy called them, of ooba and korts as scummy. Then Andy starts the new wagon on lovo with the major:FoS.

What I found interesting was that in this case, Andy has attacked 3 now dead confirmed townies and indirectly defended a player that he is now accused of being linked to by someone other than myself.

As far as Cow's vote on SGK, that could be distancing. Once Cow got a lock on lovo, he was focused.

Well, I was talking about the Andy-JD link would , if it did exist, most likely not be scum because I see it as a conflict of interest. I got how Andy indirectly defended lovo, I am just talking about the situation beforehand, which has some bearings on the next actions.

It is interesting that Andy has attacked all town so far, but I don't find that to be a reliable scum-tell.

[eljcko]

I find it odd that Andy and JD are not saying much about the allegations against them. Andy has not really defended himself at all, and JD has this post to offer up:

Andy is trying to link himself to me. How odd.

Andy can die after Thanatos.

Great Admiral Sarcastro:

Can we get a vote-count.

[eljcko]

Andy, you forgot this.

Back.

Looking back, it was a stupid thing to say and I should have known it would be thought of as a scum tell, but I meant exactly what I said. There were 7 deaths in this game thus far, and not a single one of them was a power role. I think that is simply bizare. I was bringing that up because it might mean something, like we're not being told if a power role bites it.

While this is not really proper defense, its more than what you have done.

[eljcko]

Andy and JD are angering me. I want explanations, not just passing the buck.

Sly, Thantos fished on Day two also because of the power role thing. It is kind of obvious it is partial reveal.

[eljcko]

I won't deny that fish at D2 Sly, but I will say that it was said before I deduced a partial reveal type game.

What is being revealed, not full info. We get name and alliance. Sarcastro is not giving roles after death, that is what he is hiding. Andy's #3 is when fishing like that should have stopped, after the Pope explained the reveal system.

Also, are you reading the comic more Sly, or are you obtaining your knowledge some other way.

[eljcko]

I have a feeling that this will last a while as a stalemate.

[eljcko]

unvote: vote lloyd

albaska's claim should be the kick we need.

I chose to vote for lloyd over andy because I do not agree with the case on Andy right now.

I vote lloyd because he has barely posted at all in this game, and while I checked his posting records, he probably has a tendency to do this type of thing. But I figure a bit of pressure should get more talking out of him. Plus there is the decent possiblity that lloyd is lurking and trying to avoid the heat because he is scum/SK.

[eljcko]

well, lloyd, I am sorry for not corresponding to your preferred call to post. It is not an opportunistic vote, it was the first of this kind and I had no real intentions of bandwagoning you. It means very little, and FOS's are stupid IMO and I rarely use them.

Stupid reasoning by Andy there, but JD covered that anyway.

[eljcko]

May I remind all that you Ocelot has Chronic Back-Stabbing Syndrome.

Ocelot being vanilla is not that surprising. lovo's character (campbell?) is allegedly vanilla.

Also, I am personally sick of JD taking this game in cruise control and thinking he doesn't have to explain a bit of what he does. Did you ever explain your ooba vote.

unvote

Sly:

-My first ooba vote with the math was just to have a little fun, unless thats on your list of 10,000 scumtells. We were studying inverses in my geometry class and it was still fairly random.

-As I am gaining my experience on this site, I have developed new opinions and tweaked how I play the game. I now see FOS's as silly things, I did not back then. Don't go and say, "if FOS's are silly why did you defend yourself." You made a case on me, I defend myself.

-That post was in light of the bandwagon-for-the-hell-of-it thing going on. ooba and korts were just bandwagoning carelessly, which is never a good thing for the town.

[eljcko]

Present Albaska.

I have exams soon. I must study.

So much speculation form Sly on set-up is quite wierd if you ask me. But then again, it is possibly a Lynch or Lose scenario

[eljcko]

Okay I got a stupid vote on me, but I did the same to Lloyd so I deserve it.

Unvote

Lloyd, why would a speculated SK even admit to having a NK. If he says he has an NK, then suspicion rises on him.

[eljcko]

Lloyd has been after Sly's investigation a lot this day, I find that very odd.