Mini 545 - The Final Stand Mafia - Dramatic Finish!
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Glork Burdened by Proficiency
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shaka!! Goon
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Erg0 Mafia Scum
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shaka!! Goon
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More like full of WIFOMErg0 wrote:Glork was highly suspicious of you. Glork is now dead. Seems like as good a place as any to start.
I try not to read into night kills for this particular reason, you never know what the mafia is thinking and it is often very hard to figure it out. It's all too often that I've seen mafia send the town on wild goose chases using their night kill.
Seriously, how am I meant to defend myself from something like this? "Someone who found you scummy is dead." Um.. Ok.. I didn't do it. Happy?-
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TheJiveMachine Goon
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Mizzy Furry
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I did have some minor scumvibes on him before, yes, but I more wanted to see his reaction. I don't suspect him enough to vote, which is obviously why I haven't. The reactions are often more telling (for both guilty and innocent) than the kill and link.TheJiveMachine wrote:Sucks that we lost the doctor so early...
Anyone have reasons for suspecting shaka other than Glork dying?
Honestly, Glork was the most dangerous townie to have in here. Must have made the mafia piss themselves. He'd have been killed, PR or not, no matter who he was voting.
Shaka's reaction seems like one I would have had, so he's off my hook.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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RetroDucts Townie
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Given the fact that Glork was also highly suspicious ofErg0 wrote:Glork was highly suspicious of you. Glork is now dead. Seems like as good a place as any to start.youin Day one, I'd be careful of how far you want to push that piece of WIFOM.
I wonder if I'm reading into the flavour text too much, but it does seem to imply a thing or two about this setup.
In the meantime...
Vote: TheJiveMachine
You were too silent in Day 1 for my liking. Want to give us your thoughts on it?
This vote wouldjust as wellhave gone to sangy, if she wasn't being replaced. Would be great to get more content from OhGodMyLife, too.|\==|==/|\==|==/|-
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Mizzy Furry
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Either I'm as blind as a bat (totally possible) or there aren't any implications in the flavor text? Show, please?RetroDucts wrote:I wonder if I'm reading into the flavour text too much, but it does seem to imply a thing or two about this setup.PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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destructor Mafia Scum
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RetroDucts Townie
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RetroDucts Townie
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Actually, it is worth bringing up. If I'm reading it correctly, it wouldn't give anything away that scum don't already know.
Town aligned doc implies to me that there may be a scum Doc. "Sire" implies to me that there's probably a Godfather type role in the scum, but given the presence of a scum Doc, they're probably investigation immune rather than unnightkillable. A scum Doc also implies a second night killing role/faction, which may be pro-town or scum.|\==|==/|\==|==/|-
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Mizzy Furry
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Or perhaps it could be a roleblocker of some sort? That's in a sense what a doctor is...hrm. I honestly hadn't noticed that. The "sire" I DID notice...but I didn't think much of it.RetroDucts wrote:Actually, it is worth bringing up. If I'm reading it correctly, it wouldn't give anything away that scum don't already know.
Town aligned doc implies to me that there may be a scum Doc. "Sire" implies to me that there's probably a Godfather type role in the scum, but given the presence of a scum Doc, they're probably investigation immune rather than unnightkillable. A scum Doc also implies a second night killing role/faction, which may be pro-town or scum.
I wonder then if we have some sort of cop?PokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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killa seven Mafia Scum
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does anyone have any more info on shakra other then the night kill thing? seems pretty dumb to vote him just for that reason.ShowGames Won..
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TheJiveMachine Goon
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RetroDucts wrote:[
You were too silent in Day 1 for my liking. Want to give us your thoughts on it?
The flavor basically confirms that there is a godfather, or at least that the scum are working for someone flavorwise.
Assuming there is a godfather the flavor text also leads me to believe he didn't perform this nightkill, or possibly that he can't be the one to NK period.
The town-aligned doctor thing doesn't seem to mean anything to me. Alignment followed by role is basically meant to avoid confusion, not imply things about other alignments' roles. Still, I don't assume the scum don't have a doctor/roleblocker/whatever.
As for suspecting people based on the fact that Glork was the one killed, I don't think it is a wise strategy to go on that alone, as it is obvious WIFOM, and, as mentioned, Glork is an excellent scumhunter and high-profile target no matter who the scum are.-
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shaka!! Goon
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shaka!! Goon
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Khelvaster Mafia Scum
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TheJiveMachine Goon
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Erg0 Mafia Scum
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Unvote, Vote: TheJiveMachine
I mainly voted shaka to see if anyone would bite, and Mizzy seems to have done much the same. Glork's opinion is notable since we now know he was town, but his death tells us little beyond the scum being smart enough to kill him.
TJM just committed one of my favourite scumtells ("sucks that we lost the doc"), so he can have my vote."You were doing well until everyone died."
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TheJiveMachine Goon
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DeeerpErg0 wrote:Unvote, Vote: TheJiveMachine
I mainly voted shaka to see if anyone would bite, and Mizzy seems to have done much the same. Glork's opinion is notable since we now know he was town, but his death tells us little beyond the scum being smart enough to kill him.
TJM just committed one of my favourite scumtells ("sucks that we lost the doc"), so he can have my vote.-
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Mizzy Furry
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How poetic...and completely unhelpful. Can I buy a real defense for a dollar here?TheJiveMachine wrote:DeeerpPokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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TheJiveMachine Goon
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Mizzy Furry
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I agree, I don't find it a scumtell, but I did find your lack of at least a non-retarded response interesting. It's one thing to have not much of a response to what you believe is a silly attack, but it would have been more helpful to have said that in so many words.TheJiveMachine wrote: I think it's a silly attack
Really there isn't a lot to say in responsePokerFace: "I need to play with [Ether] or Mizzy more often."
Nightson: "I'd be more then happy to play with Ether and Mizzy. At the same time."
Muerrto: "Mizzy is my hero and I wanna be like her when I grow younger <3"-
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OhGodMyLife Silent But Deadly
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Vote: Erg0
Glork's town alignment means his suspicions were exactly that... just suspicions. Yes, he's a good scum hunter, and it was almost definitely his reputation that got him NKed and not any suspicion on the scum's part that he was a power role, but in the end he had exactly as much information as any other townie. However, given that he was also suspicious of you, I find it extremely scummy for you to use that against Shaka. I also don't buy the "I was looking for a scummy response" defense of a retarded vote.
Minor FoS: Mizzybecause speculating about town power roles is not so good. Seems like you're fishing for information. On that note, RD, you probably shouldn't be doing so much set-up speculation either, though doing so about mafia roles is not as much of a problem.
@killa seven, why did you hammer joubert rather than letting him be lynched at deadline as was on its way to happening anyway? It would have given at least a little more time for useful discussion.-
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Erg0 Mafia Scum
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Ah, but it is a scumtell. Unlike the "dead Glork" case (which I absolutely do not believe in, as you'll see if you read some other games of mine where that tell has come up), the "what a great night"/"what a terrible night" tell is surprisingly reliable.Mizzy wrote:
I agree, I don't find it a scumtell, but I did find your lack of at least a non-retarded response interesting. It's one thing to have not much of a response to what you believe is a silly attack, but it would have been more helpful to have said that in so many words.TheJiveMachine wrote: I think it's a silly attack
Really there isn't a lot to say in response
OGML: as a general rule, cases which rely on me being a complete idiot don't tend to work out very well."You were doing well until everyone died."
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