Mini 545 - The Final Stand Mafia - Dramatic Finish!

Glork · Post Post #350 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:30 pm

Bah, go town. :/

shaka!! · Post Post #351 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:19 pm

May I ask why I'm being targeted?

Erg0 · Post Post #352 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:27 pm

Glork was highly suspicious of you. Glork is now dead. Seems like as good a place as any to start.

shaka!! · Post Post #353 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:45 pm

Erg0 wrote:Glork was highly suspicious of you. Glork is now dead. Seems like as good a place as any to start.

More like full of WIFOM

I try not to read into night kills for this particular reason, you never know what the mafia is thinking and it is often very hard to figure it out. It's all too often that I've seen mafia send the town on wild goose chases using their night kill.

Seriously, how am I meant to defend myself from something like this? "Someone who found you scummy is dead." Um.. Ok.. I didn't do it. Happy?

TheJiveMachine · Post Post #354 (ISO) » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:46 pm

Sucks that we lost the doctor so early...

Anyone have reasons for suspecting shaka other than Glork dying?

Mizzy · Post Post #355 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:49 am

TheJiveMachine wrote:Sucks that we lost the doctor so early...

Anyone have reasons for suspecting shaka other than Glork dying?

I did have some minor scumvibes on him before, yes, but I more wanted to see his reaction. I don't suspect him enough to vote, which is obviously why I haven't. The reactions are often more telling (for both guilty and innocent) than the kill and link.

Honestly, Glork was the most dangerous townie to have in here. Must have made the mafia piss themselves. He'd have been killed, PR or not, no matter who he was voting.

Shaka's reaction seems like one I would have had, so he's off my hook.

RetroDucts · Post Post #356 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:21 am

Erg0 wrote:Glork was highly suspicious of you. Glork is now dead. Seems like as good a place as any to start.

Given the fact that Glork was also highly suspicious of

you

in Day one, I'd be careful of how far you want to push that piece of WIFOM.

I wonder if I'm reading into the flavour text too much, but it does seem to imply a thing or two about this setup.

In the meantime...

Vote: TheJiveMachine

You were too silent in Day 1 for my liking. Want to give us your thoughts on it?

This vote would

just as well

have gone to sangy, if she wasn't being replaced. Would be great to get more content from OhGodMyLife, too.

Mizzy · Post Post #357 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:51 am

RetroDucts wrote:I wonder if I'm reading into the flavour text too much, but it does seem to imply a thing or two about this setup.

Either I'm as blind as a bat (totally possible) or there aren't any implications in the flavor text? Show, please?

destructor · Post Post #358 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:13 am

The "sire" and "town aligned Doctor" parts. There was probably no need to bring it up, in fact I probably shouldn't have. :/

Worth filing away, anyway.

RetroDucts · Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:16 am

Goddamit I did it again. That was me... again.

Um, mod, if you want, you could edit that into this post and delete the original... or not.

RetroDucts · Post Post #360 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:22 am

Actually, it is worth bringing up. If I'm reading it correctly, it wouldn't give anything away that scum don't already know.

Town aligned doc implies to me that there may be a scum Doc. "Sire" implies to me that there's probably a Godfather type role in the scum, but given the presence of a scum Doc, they're probably investigation immune rather than unnightkillable. A scum Doc also implies a second night killing role/faction, which may be pro-town or scum.

Mizzy · Post Post #361 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:40 am

RetroDucts wrote:Actually, it is worth bringing up. If I'm reading it correctly, it wouldn't give anything away that scum don't already know.

Town aligned doc implies to me that there may be a scum Doc. "Sire" implies to me that there's probably a Godfather type role in the scum, but given the presence of a scum Doc, they're probably investigation immune rather than unnightkillable. A scum Doc also implies a second night killing role/faction, which may be pro-town or scum.

Or perhaps it could be a roleblocker of some sort? That's in a sense what a doctor is...hrm. I honestly hadn't noticed that. The "sire" I DID notice...but I didn't think much of it.

I wonder then if we have some sort of cop?

killa seven · Post Post #362 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:42 am

does anyone have any more info on shakra other then the night kill thing? seems pretty dumb to vote him just for that reason.

TheJiveMachine · Post Post #363 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:51 am

RetroDucts wrote:[

You were too silent in Day 1 for my liking. Want to give us your thoughts on it?

The flavor basically confirms that there is a godfather, or at least that the scum are working for someone flavorwise.

Assuming there is a godfather the flavor text also leads me to believe he didn't perform this nightkill, or possibly that he can't be the one to NK period.

The town-aligned doctor thing doesn't seem to mean anything to me. Alignment followed by role is basically meant to avoid confusion, not imply things about other alignments' roles. Still, I don't assume the scum don't have a doctor/roleblocker/whatever.

As for suspecting people based on the fact that Glork was the one killed, I don't think it is a wise strategy to go on that alone, as it is obvious WIFOM, and, as mentioned, Glork is an excellent scumhunter and high-profile target no matter who the scum are.

shaka!! · Post Post #364 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:27 am

killa seven wrote:does anyone have any more info on shakra other then the night kill thing?

Yes he lives in New Zealand but comes from South African and supports the Springboks because the All Blacks are all fags.

...

shaka!! · Post Post #365 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:34 am

killa seven wrote:seems pretty dumb to vote him just for that reason.

It's a reasonable reaction, but one that is to be taken with lots of caution.

Khelvaster · Post Post #366 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:30 pm

I haven't posted for the past two weeks. I forgot I was in this game. Let me catch up.

TheJiveMachine · Post Post #367 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:45 pm

Khelvaster wrote:I haven't posted for the past two weeks. I forgot I was in this game. Let me catch up.

Most of that time was night...not so much to catch up on.

Erg0 · Post Post #368 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:40 pm

Unvote, Vote: TheJiveMachine

I mainly voted shaka to see if anyone would bite, and Mizzy seems to have done much the same. Glork's opinion is notable since we now know he was town, but his death tells us little beyond the scum being smart enough to kill him.

TJM just committed one of my favourite scumtells ("sucks that we lost the doc"), so he can have my vote.

TheJiveMachine · Post Post #369 (ISO) » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:22 am

Erg0 wrote:
Unvote, Vote: TheJiveMachine

I mainly voted shaka to see if anyone would bite, and Mizzy seems to have done much the same. Glork's opinion is notable since we now know he was town, but his death tells us little beyond the scum being smart enough to kill him.

TJM just committed one of my favourite scumtells ("sucks that we lost the doc"), so he can have my vote.

Deeerp

Mizzy · Post Post #370 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:10 am

TheJiveMachine wrote:Deeerp

How poetic...and completely unhelpful. Can I buy a real defense for a dollar here?

TheJiveMachine · Post Post #371 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:03 am

Mizzy wrote: How poetic...and completely unhelpful. Can I buy a real defense for a dollar here?

I think it's a silly attack

Really there isn't a lot to say in response

Mizzy · Post Post #372 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:07 am

TheJiveMachine wrote: I think it's a silly attack

Really there isn't a lot to say in response

I agree, I don't find it a scumtell, but I did find your lack of at least a non-retarded response interesting. It's one thing to have not much of a response to what you believe is a silly attack, but it would have been more helpful to have said that in so many words.

OhGodMyLife · Post Post #373 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:06 am

Vote: Erg0

Glork's town alignment means his suspicions were exactly that... just suspicions. Yes, he's a good scum hunter, and it was almost definitely his reputation that got him NKed and not any suspicion on the scum's part that he was a power role, but in the end he had exactly as much information as any other townie. However, given that he was also suspicious of you, I find it extremely scummy for you to use that against Shaka. I also don't buy the "I was looking for a scummy response" defense of a retarded vote.

Minor FoS: Mizzy

because speculating about town power roles is not so good. Seems like you're fishing for information. On that note, RD, you probably shouldn't be doing so much set-up speculation either, though doing so about mafia roles is not as much of a problem.

@killa seven, why did you hammer joubert rather than letting him be lynched at deadline as was on its way to happening anyway? It would have given at least a little more time for useful discussion.

Erg0 · Post Post #374 (ISO) » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:38 am

Mizzy wrote:
TheJiveMachine wrote: I think it's a silly attack

Really there isn't a lot to say in response
I agree, I don't find it a scumtell, but I did find your lack of at least a non-retarded response interesting. It's one thing to have not much of a response to what you believe is a silly attack, but it would have been more helpful to have said that in so many words.

Ah, but it is a scumtell. Unlike the "dead Glork" case (which I absolutely do not believe in, as you'll see if you read some other games of mine where that tell has come up), the "what a great night"/"what a terrible night" tell is surprisingly reliable.

OGML: as a general rule, cases which rely on me being a complete idiot don't tend to work out very well.