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Bookitty Jack of All Trades
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Okay, I missed that Vollkan replaced Quagmire.
In your reread, Vollkan, can you give your opinion on the timing and reasoning behind Quagmire's "no role PM" reading claim?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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vollkan The Interrogator
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I've seen this attitude from Quagmire in the MD threads...he's somewhat notorious for it. I don't know what to make of the timing of him saying it, but my best guess is that he thought it would be a "clever" way to take a swipe at Panzer (who had accused him) and TS who had called for Quag's vigging. I mean, by declaring that he hadn't read the PM, he basically cut down the very minor suspicions expressed of him. I find Quagmire's play in doing so absolutely atrocious and, as I said, my proverbial hat goes off to the people that voted Quagmire for refusing to play the game properly.Bookitty wrote: In your reread, Vollkan, can you give your opinion on the timing and reasoning behind Quagmire's "no role PM" reading claim?-
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IH Always Scum
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Huh I could have sword TS had voted more than twice today.
Meh, still
This didn't happenTS wrote:Look at what's happening... people are being jumped on for putting in a vote #1, people are being jumped on for even considering putting a vote #2!!! How on earth are we going to lynch anyone? I hope this day 2 isn't day 1 all over again. Let's COLLABORATE, GET OUR ACT TOGETHER and GET THE SHOW ON THE ROAD, please!
So how does this excuse you from not making a case yourself? Or even another case? Instead of counting those 55 pages as "wasted" you could try reading some more of them, you know. If you're town I'd at least think you'd try to analyze some wagons or try and see who was just voting MoS.TS wrote:Yeah, and who is making cases right now? Panzer who just flaked? ABR who decided for unfathomable reasons that Erg0 is scum??? Zu_faul, who is, in my book, potential scum and is voting for me anyway? Who? Show me some good cases. ABR who is asking OTHER FREAKIN PEOPLE to make his cases??????? My case on Quag is a total waste of time. I wasted 55 pages on Day 1, can you imagine my frustration? Nobody wants to lynch anyone.
I haven't gone through the whole thread myself, but I'm not calling 55 pages wasted, and complaining about the lack of activity. There WAS legitimate discussion, and you could always, you know, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS I ASKED, instead of getting overdefensive.
How about today. With most of the major suspects gone, complaining doesn't get discussion going.TS wrote:Right, I'm not discussing enough? I haven't posted enough in this game??? Something the town hasn't done yet??? Were you there yesterday??? Argh!
Meh, this is a very subtle statement, and I don't really like it. It's like you're trying to say something, but not exactly come out with it. Kind of planting the idea.Boo wrote:I'm curious to know what people think of Quagmire now. If I were a big believer in nightkill speculation (I'm not usually, but I don't have much to go on in this game otherwise) I would be voting hasdgfas, because the people who were nightkilled were to greater or lesser degrees supporters of Quagmire during the recent day.IGMEOY
I think Quag/Volkan (who I didn't know had replaced untiL I saw Bookie's last post) is neutral to me, because I don't think Quag was acting off of his alignment when he posted, but more out of apathy than anything. So, IMO, any statements he made are pretty null.
I'm keeping my vote on TS, because while her vote did not move as much as I had thought, her suspicions are all over the place, she's agreeing with seemingly random statements.
Example:Bookie says she'd prefer a Panzer or Cow lynch. She asks which one (after posting she was certain Quag was scum), and Bookie responds with a vote on Panzer. TS responds by moving her vote to Panzer.
Example B:Post 1503, BM posts he doesn't like my last few posts, votes me.
TS says BM (BM!) has a point about me, and she could see her voting for me.
I feel like she's either A.Hiding from commiting to to much (other than something about Quag/Volkan) or B.attempting to buddy up maybe.
NOTE:This isn't really all that strong, but I find it's stronger than it's to much I've seen today, and I'm going to trust my hunch, since I didn't trust it as well last game and lost because of it.Untrod Tripod (7:27:18 PM): you enjoy whoring
xcaykex (7:27:24 PM): yes
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Bookitty Jack of All Trades
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When exactly are you saying this happened? Because I never voted for Panzerjager.IH wrote:Example:Bookie says she'd prefer a Panzer or Cow lynch. She asks which one (after posting she was certain Quag was scum), and Bookie responds with a vote on Panzer. TS responds by moving her vote to Panzer."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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vollkan The Interrogator
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More reread
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A Quagmire vote from Peers. ^5 to Albert for: "I feel as if Quag should take mafia lessons from BM" True to form, Quag digs his feet in on this. Interesting that hasd defends this behaviour. Quag gets put to L-1 and demanded to claim. Quag claims town and promises a "Why TS is scum"
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Yosarian unvotes and votes MoS to return to scumhunting. Quag makes an interesting attack on TS, showing that she is pushing conspiracies and policy lynches. Albert is being too insistent on the lynching, given that Quag did read his role PM. I find myself in agreement with Erg0 - What Quag did was dreadful, but lynching Howehim for it at this point (after he declared his alignment) is just a pointless policy lynch (if Quag had refused to declare alignment, it wouldn't be so pointless imo).
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Sikario seems to be equating "Quag not claiming hisrole" with "Quag not reading his role PM" and pushes Quag's lynch for what amounts to the policy reason that his behaviour was anti-town.
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Albert calls for hammer. MoS puts it well: "I'd rather lynch someone who is scum than someone who is useless for Day 1" The pushing for a quag lynch continues from Peers and Sikario.
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Hasdfags makes a really dodgy FoS on Sikario for allegedly setting up lynches when in fact, as Albert notes, the set-up was only for the scenario where Quagmire came up scum - making it not so simple as hasd is implying. However, hasd does have a point that it was still setting a chain-lynch and, therefore, something to be discouraged.
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Sikario casts a vote for Albert and Albert says "Yeah". This is leapt upon by Sikario , BM, and panzer - I can't believe they really took that seriously. Zu pops up again, this time to defuse the Albert wagon.
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Basically nothing. Hasd casts a vote for TS at the end, which he only justifies by the fact that consensus is swaying that way.
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Zu advocates kscope for a lurker lynch - Oh the irony! TS ends her playing. I actually agree with Jordan about the scumminess of hasdfasd.
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BM calls Quagmire a fucktard and earns a ^5 from me. Kscope pushes a policy lynch on MoS, as Yosarian says this is ignoring that he did have a legit case. TS observes that Yos is doing a lot of defending. Albert says this is Yosarian's style. Even if it wasn't, the crappiness of the attacks in this game would warrant his level of defending.
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TS keeps pushing this line against assuming that Quagdidn'tread his role PM and drawing theories about Yosarian. Hasd responds to TS - basically admits that he was voting along with crowd. Lengthy discussion between Yos and TS. Hasd votes Peers at the end.
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Hasd stands out to me from these pages, primarily because he is explicitly just folding with consensus. Also, zu is beginning to concern me - I am surprised someone has been allowed to actively lurk for 30 pages and come under no pressure.-
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Toaster Strudel Mafia Scum
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Hahahaha.vollkan wrote:What Quag did was dreadful, but lynching Howehim for it at this point (after he declared his alignment) is just a pointless policy lynch (if Quag had refused to declare alignment, it wouldn't be so pointless imo).
I just have to point this out because it's so funny.
Are you saying that Quagmire needed to declare his alignment, as in "I'm town!" or "I'm scum!"?
Pretty self-evident that regardless of his ACTUAL alignment, his declaration would be "I'm town!"
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Toaster Strudel Mafia Scum
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I think I've made more cases, and longer cases, than anyone in this game. What game are you playing, IH? What planet are you from? You're accusing me of HIDING from COMMITTING TOO MUCH?????? Argh! Argh! Who is more IN YOUR FACE COMMITTING than me??? Nobody, that's who.IH wrote:So how does this excuse you from not making a case yourself? Or even another case?
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Toaster Strudel Mafia Scum
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Absolutely, I am glad you've seen this, too. Zu_Faul pinged by scumdar, and I think ABR's (or someone else?) but that's it.vollkan wrote:Also, zu is beginning to concern me - I am surprised someone has been allowed to actively lurk for 30 pages and come under no pressure.[i][url=http://chantalpare.ca]Squeezable icing, flaky pastry crust and sweet, gooey fillings are irresistible.[/url][/i]
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vollkan The Interrogator
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Heh. That does look pretty funny.Toaster Strudel wrote:
Hahahaha.vollkan wrote:What Quag did was dreadful, but lynching Howehim for it at this point (after he declared his alignment) is just a pointless policy lynch (if Quag had refused to declare alignment, it wouldn't be so pointless imo).
I just have to point this out because it's so funny.
Are you saying that Quagmire needed to declare his alignment, as in "I'm town!" or "I'm scum!"?
Pretty self-evident that regardless of his ACTUAL alignment, his declaration would be "I'm town!"
Why would he have refused to "claim his alignment" when the only viable option is "town?"
What I meant was that he moved from "I haven't read my role PM. Screw you all" to "I'm town."
I don't expect the content of the declaration ("I am town") to be believed. However, the fact that Quag gave a declaration took the wind out of the main (and totally justified) charge against him - that he was playing with a declaration of "alignment unknown".-
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IH Always Scum
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Battle Mage Jester
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Wow, chill out! I never said you were tagging along for the bandwagon. I said that it was a possibility. its hardly misrepresenting, and your over-reaction is very suspicious.Toaster Strudel wrote: BM, why do you say I was tagging along for the bandwagon? There was no bandwagon, only your vote, and I didn't vote for IH. Are you misrepresenting me on purpose, or is it a mistake?
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Rofl. I cant say this is totally out of character for you, but even so...Toaster Strudel wrote:
WHOA!!! Around 5 times? TWICE.IH wrote:This is not happening at all. Quit skewing the facts. Since the day has started you've switched your vote around 5 times.
Yeah, and who is making cases right now? Panzer who just flaked? ABR who decided for unfathomable reasons that Erg0 is scum??? Zu_faul, who is, in my book, potential scum and is voting for me anyway? Who? Show me some good cases. ABR who is asking OTHER FREAKIN PEOPLE to make his cases??????? My case on Quag is a total waste of time. I wasted 55 pages on Day 1, can you imagine my frustration? Nobody wants to lynch anyone.IH wrote:You aren't even attempting to make a case, except on Quag, and you then switched your vote two posts later.
Right, I'm not discussing enough? I haven't posted enough in this game??? Something the town hasn't done yet??? Were you there yesterday??? Argh!IH wrote:I also am dissapointed you are ignoring all attempts to start discussion to chide the town for something they haven't even done yet.
Oh please yes, put me out of my misery. Let me help you.
vote: TS
I can totally see bussing big-style here. Too much OMGUS on too weak grounds. But, i'll go with the momentum.
Unvote, Vote: TS
FoS: IHShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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TS swipes at Yos; I don't think any of her arguments here are very strong. I don't see the contradiction in Yos's attitude, nor do I think it was wrong of him to attack ksope. This looks pretty dodgy from TS. I also don't like the way she keeps pushing Yos for how he treated Quagmire. Her hasd/Peers seems very speculative.
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Much of this continues, nothing really to comment on at this stage of my read.
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TS resurrects her complaints about being a policy lynchee here. I don't like Quag's refusal to answer questions, though I do agree that TS engages in far too much speculation. At the end of this, I agree with TS criticism of Quagmire - his refusal to do anything substantially meaningful to this point really has been unhelpful. However, nothing he did is a scumtell, so much as an assholetell.
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Don't like Jordan's quag vote - going for an easy lynch. Jordan converts TS's attacks for being anti-town into attacks for being scummy, conjecturing that Quag is drawing attention from scum (completely baseless, but looks to make his vote seem more justifiable). Quag actually makes a decent point about Bookitty's vote for hasd largely being justified by criticism of Quag. Bookitty pushing Quag after Albert tells her two smells dodgy.
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I disagree with Quag about reading the role PM, but he does explain hasd's actions and refute the thrust of Bookity's attack.
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Discussion about the quagmire lynch, mainly over his refusal to claim.
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Whole lot of spam from Albert and TS
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Spam. But interesting spam, so I read it all anyway.
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Quagmire makes a decent defence post. Spam. I agree with Yosarian2.
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Yos FoSes Panzer. Albert unvotes Quagmire. Suggests a claim or lynch-
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Shanba So win
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Vote Count:
5: TS(Panzerjager, Zu_Faul, IH, ABR, BM)
2: Panzerjager(Setael, Toaster Strudel)
1: Sir Tornado(JordanA24)
1: Bookitty(Quagmire)
Not Voting:Sir Tornado, Bookitty, hasdgfas, YagamiLight, Erg0, schismatized
Corrected, cause BM is better at counting to 5 than meLast edited by Shanba on Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:54 am, edited 1 time in total.(10:50:24 PM) xcaykex: GODDAMNIT I DONT WANNA GET RID OF MY TENTACLE RAPE PORN
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Setael Mafia Scum
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I think TS should be on 5 votes. Also, Jordan, why are you not voting for TS atm?Shanba wrote:Vote Count:
4: TS(Panzerjager, Zu_Faul, IH, ABR, BM)
2: Panzerjager(Setael, Toaster Strudel)
1: Sir Tornado(JordanA24)
1: Bookitty(Quagmire)
Not Voting:Sir Tornado, Bookitty, hasdgfas, YagamiLight, Erg0, schismatized
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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I have an irresistable temptation to sig this...Shanba wrote:BM is better at counting to 5 than me
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%
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