When I looked back at Titus' ISO, I realized she spent an
enormous
amount of time and effort defending the narrative that the vanillize
cleared
Molla as town.
Some highlights:
Titus wrote:Now, why would you want to rope me and Rolefish BBMolla? Scum vanillaizing themselves isn't even moonlogicky enough for me.
Titus wrote: In post 1891, Aj The Epic wrote:As for whose scum, I haven't been terribly accurate in any of my recent games. I'm actually tempted to say Mastina, while good, isn't THAT good but I know RVS is actually one of those areas you can pick up a tell in and catch people unaware really easily. Just... Don't think Pine did anything suspicious in RVS. I'm still bothered with Molla to an extent, I want a claim to back up his vanilized talk. Really that's what I'm running off of right now.
Ok, let me explain something to you.
Yesterday's lynch of Pine happened because there was a hint/flirtation/claim of a guilty.
BBMolla claimed vanillaized before the guilty was announced.
If the claim was after, we could argue that BBMolla was taking advantage of the scumteam's impending loss of Pine to fakeclaim vanillaized. Otherwise, a vanillaized fakeclaim just costs them a use down the line.
Second, claiming his role helps scum PoE. Knock this off.
Titus wrote: In post 1918, Drunken Piper wrote:okay, just spent an hour minus a half
reading Infinity's ISO to see if he is aligned on scum's behalf.
I dont really think so, or at least it doesnt make sense.
I think I am just bothered about the Bolla defense.
I also think tonight I should be the leader.
unless someone has a counter point and that post I will be a reader.
I read AJ and there was no (little?) interaction with Pine.
Pine only mentioned AJ when asking people's thoughts of him.
sips wine
before I vote, Titus I have a question for you.
In post 1699, Titus wrote:I thought you were just straight up derailing Infinity wagon with your pride.
By the way, loved your scumchat scene but that only takes place if Scum!BB knew scum!Pine was going down. Yet BB claimed first. Do you have any evidence suggesting scum knew you had a guilty over stubborn pride?
Titus wrote:If you fuckers are going to lynch Molla, that will make this game unplayable for me in most regards. I am bet my life levels of confident Molla is town, and I lack the time or inclination to read through mountains of garbage when the truth is obvious.
No scum would fake being vanillaized before DP revealed his guilty.
So present me evidence of BBMolla knowing (which likely means scum in the hood) or this is just another distraction from Infinity scum or protecting Infinity scum.
DP, for BBMolla scum (which you leave open) you would nearly certain need someone to inform him of your cop check. You are not acting like that is a possibility. You are postulating that BBMolla scum and keeping the hood the same, which violates Occam's Razor.
Meanwhile, BBMolla is being a dumbass for claiming, so I cannot elect him Rogue Leader.
AJ is pants on head reading Molla today but right on Nero being a vindictive sack of shit, like he is regardless of alignment.
No one else is bothering with the spam those two put in the thread.
So tell me, who the fuck will take out the trash of Infinity and Nero along with them not playing Pants on Head level stupid? Yeah, I would vote that for Rogue Leader. Guess what, my townreads are also my dumb as fuck reads. So yeah, you are not getting my vote for Rogue Leader. No one is. I need to see intelligence and logical coherence, even if I disagree with it to vote Rogue Leader.
Right now, I just don't.
Titus wrote:That would limit, by Occam's Razor, that BBMolla was town unless DP told of his guilty to scum in adavance via the starship. The mod could say put in a role that has scum directly ccing DP, but I find that unlikely. Otherwise, there's no way for scum to know that Pine was going down prior to BBMolla's claim. Thus, BBMolla town is extremely likely or BBMolla scum means Starship scum and Pine invaded a group that already had a member. The sheer level of justifications needed and to what extremes means BBMolla is town.
Titus wrote:That's a very oversimplistic view of my personality. I do actually scrutinize who joins when and what reason. That's why we're even talking rather than me saying yes.
What's unhealthy is refusing to listen to evidence and adjust, which is what most of the thread appears do be doing.
Let's lynch The Thinker. He flips town.
Let's lynch Klingon. She's town.
Let's lynch BBMolla, and he's damn near conftown.
So am I supposed to wait for more dumb errors and compromise when the majority is systemically wrong?
You get the idea. There's more, all you have to do is go to Titus' ISO and use the "find word" function on Molla.
She was staunchly against Molla being forced to claim and she fought tooth-and-nail to give Molla's "vanillize" story credence. This goes beyond a simple whiteknighting effort, that's what she did for Klingon and that was mild compared to the fuss she put up over Molla. The premise for Molla being confirmed town is, of course, a crock. Knowing about the guilty was immaterial to the vanillize claim. All that would've been necessary for the gambit to work were people claiming to be vanillized and no vanillizer claim; the immediate implication would be that the vanillizer is scum and the vanillized is/are town.
There's these nuggets from MoI:
So this makes me feel that BB might just be playing terrible given that I doubt Nero scum puts both his partners in his “these players are probably Town” and Zefiend is pretty clearly scum.
So BBMolla claims Vanillaized … I don’t think scum wasted a shot of that limited ability created a clear for a partner. So unless I come across reason to doubt it happened I don’t see him as scum and think that reflects pretty poorly on Mastin still pushing his lynch even today.
Then there's Molla himself. He's pretty much coasted this entire game while intermittently attempting to diffuse mastina's scumread on him. The narrative he's trying to prop up is a load of crap anyway:
BBmolla wrote:but I'd be cleaner about it mastina, I'd bus Pine
that's like double confirmed town, pushed lynch on the vanillaizer when I'm vanillaized?
you're just ignoring all the things like this, it would be more flawless if I was scum. it's messy looking cause I'm town
Oh, bullshit. He'd bus a vanillizer with shots left rather than let someone else get vanillized to lend credence to his story
while
retaining the utility of the vanillizer? I don't believe that.
As I already talked about a little yesterday, I don't buy that Molla is
just now
coming around to the realization mastina could be scum. Nero's been hammering that theory forever now and with that game he had handy to show to us, I would have to think Molla would be skeptical of mastina's alignment a lot sooner than endgame. The AJ read suddenly mellowing sounds pretty bullshit-y too.
I also think his MoI vote was a bus. TWIE noted the weirdness in logical progression it at the time.
TheWayItEnds wrote:how about if you're town reading zefiend and scumreading MOI you just say that instead of trying to work around to it like you havent made up your mind about it.
TheWayItEnds wrote: In post 3920, BBmolla wrote:I'm not town reading zefiend, I have mixed feelings. But I'm having trouble placing him in a team.
In post 3921, BBmolla wrote:If you'd fucking ask instead of responding with garbage posts you could find these things out
fucking lol
im the one making garbage posts?
what team is zefiend precluded from being on?
if hes scum start the fucking team with him.
Molla was trying to build up a "logical case" on the slot, precisely so that it
didn't
look like a bus.
Molla's scum. Lynch him for victory.