Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Heartless]

Basically at this point I have to convince Zfiend that he was wrong on Titus.

Why don't you go ahead and try doing that?

[Nero Cain]

Sircakez got lynched because he looked scum, it's not like there's a fucking surprise that I'm JK'ing him.

true. Like I think your use n1 was fine. targeting him AGAIN on n2 was? Like in what world would scum just randomly go "oh hey, we didn't send Cakez to do the nightkill last night. LETS USE HIM TONIGHT!"

So you're now on this 'heartless/Aj team' bullshit out of nowhere.

I am not calling Heartless scum, buddy them more.

[Nero Cain]

@AJ

Why would a presumably town you publicly announce their target and thus tell scum who to not shoot at?

Thoughts on Mastins claim and MOIs use of his action plox.

[Aj The Epic]

You "protected" her to give a plausible explanation for why Antiheart wasn't shot at over a lurky DP.

Nero, this suggests heavily otherwise. Any scum is going to read what went on yesterday and decide it's at the very least too much WIFOM to make the kill on.

If you're wondering why I chose Heartless over DP it's because DP's role was suspect as shit to me.

[Aj The Epic]

@AJ

Why would a presumably town you publicly announce their target and thus tell scum who to not shoot at?

Thoughts on Mastins claim and MOIs use of his action plox.

1.) Because it SHOULD help town coordinate more 1 shot actions.

2.) Can't be worse than yours. Loved isn't a terribly important 1 off give and I'd rather it off the table anyways. Especially if MoI was in lylo.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, this suggests heavily otherwise.

I've made it very clear who I suspect and why. I think its scummy as fuck that you are trying to quote something with the intention of claiming that I'm scum reading them.

[Aj The Epic]

I think it's funny you think that you spelled out any sort of town read. This just looked like an addition to your continuation of bad reads.

[Nero Cain]

1.) Because it SHOULD help town coordinate more 1 shot actions.

you will have to spell this out for me.

2.) Can't be worse than yours. Loved isn't a terribly important 1 off give and I'd rather it off the table anyways. Especially if MoI was in lylo.

Why would a town MOI use it on someone that's not up for a lynch and not use it on Mastina who is a serious lynch contender who he is calling town?

Thoughts on Mastina claim?

[Nero Cain]

I think it's funny you think that you spelled out any sort of town read. This just looked like an addition to your continuation of bad reads.

I am clearly POE town reading everyone that's not you, MOI and Mastina. There is no fucking way that you are this dense as town.


@Heartless. He's the

ONLY

full role in a sea of x-shots, that alone should give you pause. I think it also makes a TON of sense to give scum an unlimited blocking power.

[Aj The Epic]

Oh so you're worried that he's not directly supporting his town reads

What's there to make of Mastina's claim? It can't be much more vague or less indicative to alignment.

In theory, me blocking Heartless would encourage other PR's to use watcher shots/protective abilities elsewhere since I was declaring responsibility for the protection.

P-edit: Nero, PoE reads are a fucking cop out and you know it.

[Nero Cain]

vote:MOI

I'll tell Zfiend why Titus was scum in a littlebit

[Aj The Epic]

So do you believe Zefiend is town outside of PoE? Aka are you believing that unlike early wagons in this game, we came out with a double town wagon day 3?

[Nero Cain]

And why is it an impossibility that there were two wagons on town?

[Nero Cain]

My new theory is that Heartless is the 4th/5th member of the scumteam and scum are keeping her alive and actively buddying her since they are helping the scum team. My belief here is that scum are you, MOI, and Mastina.

Like how in the world could you read that and think I'm scumreading Heartless.

[TheWayItEnds]

Nero, why did you voyuer Heartless when I explicitly stated I would be jailing heartless?

[TheWayItEnds]

stating that you're for sure jailing heartless and jailing heartless are actually 2 different things.

and theres EV to be gained by sometimes not jailing heartless in this instance.

[TheWayItEnds]

fire VC me

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 5.02

Zefiend [2] MagnaofIllusion, Aj The Epic
MagnaofIllusion [2] Heartless, Nero Cain

Not Voting - [4] TheWayItEnds, Mastina, Zefiend, BBMolla

With 8 Alive, It Takes 5 To Lynch.

Heartless is Loved.

Rogue Leader Vote:

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2017-03-06 22:26:20)!

[Heartless]

@Heartless. He's the ONLY full role in a sea of x-shots, that alone should give you pause. I think it also makes a TON of sense to give scum an unlimited blocking power.

holy shit nero no it doesn't. i didn't just fall off the fucking turnip truck, i've run setups for years and i know that whenever you give GENERAL counters (like roleblockers) town power has to be high AND widely distributed. you can't have a clusterfuck of power over a few people and then give scum TWO general counter roles, that's FUCKING NUTS.

and this effect is WELL DOCUMENTED http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67307

in case you don't want to read all that, just skip down to when hoopla talks about roleblockers and how they BLOW THE TOWN EV TO SHIT

the "x-shot" point isn't good either, that would actually indicate the full power IS town unless you're suggesting hampered town roles are going up against a scumteam on fucking viagra

the 2-shot vig and dp's joat is fucking IT for fixed town power. molla's role is middling to weak and all the little shit character abilities are p much power neutral. then you have the rogue crew invention which is not guaranteed to go to town AND scum have the power to at least spy on the rogue crew for a night. add all that up and it's also a middling role.

so you're saying a large with a grand total of TWO decent power roles going up against TWO general counters sounds balanced?

no

not in any universe where firebringer wants to retain the ability to run any more games

this is not a tit-for-tat thing. the town EV in the 14:3 and 13:4 ratios is 20-30%. town. need. more. power.

scum having a full blocking ability does not make ANY sense.

[Heartless]

aj, you wanna take another swing at the titus townread?

earlier, you cited the early game so i went back. i see pine made a throw away vote on the tail end of the RVS and then a "moar titus votes" post later. on titus' end... i'm not seeing anything to suggest they wouldn't be buddies.

[Nero Cain]

I did find http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rogue_Four but neither mine nor DP's characters are listed so I guess its not updated.

[Nero Cain]

a 2 shot vig and 2 joats against a a goon that can make a player loved, whatever mastins real role is and a 2 shot vanilaizer and ???? Sure yeah, the crew skills

could

be given to scum but I don't think that would or should play a part in balance.

In your theory that he's town we'd have a 2 shot vig, 2 joats, a full JK against a 2 shot vanillaizer, a goon that can make a player loved, whatever mastins real role is and another goon. That seems rather townsided to me but of course I don't really do modding so....

I just think it would make sense for scum to have blocking powers. And I don't think his play and use of action make sense as town.

I'd also like to note that Heartless was the RL and if the RL is blocked they can't give out the crew skills. So if AJ is going to sit his block on Heartless we need a new RL. It seems odd to me that if AJ felt Heartless was scum then why didn't he raise a fuss about Heartless being RL? and if he felt Heartless was town and wanted to protect them why would he not want a new leader?

[Nero Cain]

I mean unless Mastin or MOI are scum blockers I think its plenty possible that AJ is scum here.

[Heartless]

That seems rather townsided to me

and here's the reason large themes have embarrassingly low town win rates...

[Heartless]

inventions are spent. dp said as much yesterday