Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 1.08

Yuri (3):

Fro99er, Lil Uzi Vert, The DEO

NoticeMeSenpai (2):

Vecna, Elbirn

beeboy (2):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV

Sondam (1):

Creature

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

beeboy

Akane and Nebby (1):

Yuri

The DEO (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

Nero Cain

Spiffeh (1):

Maxous

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

Maxous (1):

Spiffeh

Not Voting (6):

Drixx, Julius Caesar, ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Albert B. Rampage, Akane and Nebby

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

beeboy is underwhelming me this game so far, nothing specific really

Might be having trouble getting into the game? Seems understandable considering the amount of players.

Do you know beeboy? Why are you defending him on conjecture here?

Defending him from what? Spiffy isn't attacking him.

[Spiffeh]

Haha ok, creature rolled town this game for sure

[Maxous]

Still content with my vote on Spiffeh. His Titus read is not good and the vote on me is lol.

HEY MAXOUS:

You still haven't answered why basing my argument on a similar game was bad and what you meant by "overplaying" which makes me think you're just throwing out buzz words to make your read sound reasonable.

^ This was to you, please do this.

I don't understand what you're asking me here.
Just because role management doesn't work in one game doesn't automatically mean it won't work in every game.
You scumread Titus for this apparently.

VOTE: Akane and Nebby

[Spiffeh]

I don't understand what you're asking me here.
Just because role management doesn't work in one game doesn't automatically mean it won't work in every game.
You scumread Titus for this apparently.

Once again, That's not why I scum read her.

The fact that Titus is not acknowledging the concerns for Sciences that a few of us have raised and keeps harping on "but we could do this with these roles!!!" is concerning.

I was concerned by her because she wasn't acknowledging the valid arguments that people had raised against Science.

I don't know how you keep misinterpreting what happened

[Fro99er]

Here's the thing about notice's slip, and why I suggest we leave notice for another day.

I'm far more inclined to believe it's a slip if this is multi-ball instead of just town and one scum faction.

Why? As multi-ball, there is even more importance to daychat than there already is for a single scum faction, because it can give them a leg up in that particular power over the other scum faction. In addition, they would need to compete for the daychat power by submitting PMs to the mods, so it would jive with notice's mindset that they can compete for daychat, which makes sense with their comment "cuts scum out from getting it" (916). Not noticing the anti-town part but noticing the factional part (992) would be really concerning here, because they realize it can apply to multiple factions.

If just town, it's more likely than multi-ball that it's just a misunderstanding of the rules and thinking "faction" could mean town or scum. Not saying that's a complete clear by any means. I'm just saying if it's multi-ball I'll be far more worried about the supposed slip than if it's single scum faction.

With the way the phrasing is worded on the daychat power "anti-town" and "faction", along with the flavor (Civillization -- there are multiple civilizations even in Civ 1) I certainly wouldn't be surprise if there was more than one scum civilization present, so certainly Notice is on Notice. But I'd rather lynch elsewhere today.

/inb4 wai u speculating about multiballz

[Spiffeh]

People in this game need to be more willing to wagon people

VOTE: beeboy

Let's start one here

[Fro99er]

People in this game need to be more willing to wagon people

VOTE: beeboy

Let's start one here

You could join the yuri wagon

[Fro99er]

beeboy is underwhelming me this game so far, nothing specific really

Do you expect great things from beeboy?

I've never played with him so I don't know what the expectations are.

And could you answer this?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

beeboy's wagon composition doesn't give me confindence.

I can read Kyouko pretty well but so far he's not town telling like he usually does.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not sure what to make of PV. It feels like there vote should be elsewhere.

[Fro99er]

beeboy's wagon composition doesn't give me confindence.

I can read Kyouko pretty well but so far he's not town telling like he usually does.

How does kyouko town tell?

[Maxous]

Fine Spiffeh. I think we're arguing in circles here anyway.

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Considering that most of the powers are based around night kills I would guess there are at least 2 anti-town kill sources in the game, yeah

[Spiffeh]

It's likely that any wagon that gains traction will probably contain someone you're not comfortable with

That doesn't mean you shouldn't take the opportunity to pressure someone that's contributed shit

[Lil Uzi Vert]

beeboy's wagon composition doesn't give me confindence.

I can read Kyouko pretty well but so far he's not town telling like he usually does.

How does kyouko town tell?

He's usually more engaged and involved then he currently is or heavily analyzing the nerdy stuff like the setup or doing VCA.

[PeregrineV]

Not sure what to make of PV. It feels like there vote should be elsewhere.

I'm listening.

[Fro99er]

New theory: Yuri and Sondam are scum together with Spiff.

[Spiffeh]

beeboy is underwhelming me this game so far, nothing specific really

Do you expect great things from beeboy?

I've never played with him so I don't know what the expectations are.

And could you answer this?

In my experience beeboy has never been this laid back as town at least from I remember, but it has been awhile since I've played with him. Musical Mafia is a good example of what I've come to expect from town!beeboy (link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65809)

I don't like 1105 where he comes in to respond to something about him without contributing anything else of value. 1169 also gives me scum vibes. Never have I seen town!beeboy hesitate to vote someone. If you look at Musical Mafia he is hyper aggressive and there is an extremely noticeable lack of that drive here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not sure what to make of PV. It feels like there vote should be elsewhere.

I'm listening.

I don't know, just seems like you scum read A&N, Titus head, and Maria head more.

[Sondam]

New theory: Yuri and Sondam are scum together with Spiff.

yes, i said that something my partner said was forced to draw attention to us. you got us.

~G

[Fro99er]

New theory: Yuri and Sondam are scum together with Spiff.

yes, i said that something my partner said was forced to draw attention to us. you got us.

~G

Yeah, I forgot about that.

theory is probably wrong.

[Spiffeh]

Frogger instead of positing ridiculous theories why don't you check out Musical Mafia and see if you notice any differences with beeboy's play here

Because you will

[Spiffeh]

I think this is normal beeboy as in like it doesn't seem out of character for him. I've opted to ignore him for now.

Where did you get the impression that this was normal for beeboy? Have you played with him before?

[PeregrineV]

Not sure what to make of PV. It feels like there vote should be elsewhere.

I'm listening.

I don't know, just seems like you scum read A&N, Titus head, and Maria head more.

A&N- They are playing and interacting and coming up with stuff, I just don't find it all that powerful or persuasive, personally. And I've flagged some behavior that will mean more later in the game.

DEO- Very ambivalent on Math overall, wary of Titus play in general. At some point that will do something that will trip me one way or another, but it hasn't happened yet.

Sondam- Similar to A&N when it comes to how I perceive them. They are doing stuff, but seem to overreact to others reactions to them.

I get hydra dissonance exists, but it is a scum tactic to hide behind when shifting reads and making opportunistic changes to play. To that end, I scrutinize hydras harder on most things, and don't give them the same benefit of the doubt I might a single player.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think this is normal beeboy as in like it doesn't seem out of character for him. I've opted to ignore him for now.

Where did you get the impression that this was normal for beeboy? Have you played with him before?

Just gut.