Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Vecna]

allready responded to this, but the entire use of treestump is to get nightkilled so that we know its coming from town.

And the alternative is drixx doesn't get killed and lives to end game, which is also good if drixx is town.

And the -perfect- cover if scum

[Yuri]

Vecna my dude it's not the perfect cover if Drixx is scum. The evidence is you
Besides, Reasonably Rational isn't usually nightkilled anyway. Is it different for Drixx on his own or something? Or maybe you haven't played with either idk

[Lil Uzi Vert]

All of these Wonders just suck to be honest. Modern Era should give us better ones.

[Vecna]

Ok I didnt want to post this but all the dumbasses are forcing me.

SCUM WANTS SCIENCE.

IT ALLOWS THEM TO -NOT- PICK THE SHITTY DAYCHAT. WHICH IS A WASTE. OF A SLOT

WITH SCIENCE, THEY CAN DISCUSS DURING THE NIGHT HOW THEY COORDINATE THE PICKING OF ABILITIES AND HOW TO DIVIDE THEM.

WITHOUT SCIENCE, THEY NEED DAYCHAT TO COORDINATE

picking science effectively gives scum the opportunity to pass on daychat. We WANT them to be forced to pick daychat.

[Vecna]

Good luck arguing that point scumbuckets

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

[Yuri]

Daychat is awesome tf

Pedit Fro99er that's kind of a lame unvote

[Fro99er]

So, yeah. Vecna is town.

pedit: dgaf what you think.

[Vecna]

Everyone arguing so hard why they want science probably realized this.

Main person is Drixx who is literally bringing out all the bad arguments why we need it and is trying to -shade- me and my logic hard.

How do you feel about that Titus? Ignore the parts where he is caressing your ego and all that, and look at the argument he is making and how hard he is pushing it, pretty much just forcing all kinds of nonsense together just to discredit my reasoning.

[Yuri]

Also paranoid Vecna is town.

Pedit: :C

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm staying in the bag and will talk to Akane about the subject of Science.
UNVOTE:
-Nebby

[Vecna]

Everyone still wanting science, ill have your fucking arguments for it

And then ill destroy them and you along with it.

Bring it

[Fro99er]

I'm staying in the bag and will talk to Akane about the subject of Science.
UNVOTE:
-Nebby

that's a lame unvote

[Drixx]

Don't publicly announce what you're building pls.
There's no need to at this stage

Umm... unique circumstance for me. You need only go read Space Dandy 2 to understand. (Warning: it got STUPIDLY ABSURDLY nasty ... it's not pleasant).

Titus I wouldn't be surprised if I am, but I seriously don't like the None wagon. I think I'ma talk more time to sort the people who are voting None in a bit.
-Nebby

pedit: tbh I never played with spliff before.

Spiffeh is very skilled as town. I haven't played with scum Spiffeh in awhile (if ever), but I can attest to the Spiffeh not wanting to plan is his genuine concern.

I don't mind Drixx being a treestump. It's a little suboptimal to claim it, but I can see why he did.

Confident I can OTAF and I have zero interest in rehashing SD2 territory with you. That's in line with the whole "take what's useful and leave the other shit behind" mentality. It's useful not to alienate people.


P-edit: If you respond to me with that kind of bullshit again Vecna I'll just ignore you all game. You don't know me and you're pissing up the wrong rope.

Also because you seem to not yet have realized that in mafia information = power, let me lay it out for you like you were five:

1.) Right now, scum are the informed minority. They know who they are and therefore they know who isn't them. Presuming they build the daychat wonder, they will gain the additional advantage of being able to co-ordinate in private. This should be self-evident and obvious to anyone who has EVER played mafia before, but just making sure you realize.

2.) Right now we can call the info gap something like Scum: 2 - Town: 0 -- The info they have is valuable (the entire game rests on them keeping it secret after all) and this game is designed so that power increases over time. This means we need to close that gap as quickly as possible because we don't have any necessarily baked in ways to do it. Scum are obviously going to try and take wonders that grant investigates and such, unless they're absurdly ballsy and think they won't get caught (in which case this will be a LOL win for town).

3.) It's irrelevant that scum also gain the knowledge. Town gains knowledge where we had none while scum gains no additional advantage over town. Plus we have larger numbers so we're more likely to win priority battles by making informed choices than scum are, at least in the short term (unless everyone is in a full on rush to get their wonder, which is stupid and anyone who doesn't realize why should probably ask instead of staying silent), and possibly for the entire game if we play it right. Scum 4: - Town: 2 is way better than where we're at now, and if you don't understand why or get the analogy ... I'm not sure how to help you.


P-edit 2: Team size is never a certainty. I can point out countless large themed games where team size was not as expected. The example that always makes we wary of people who are sure (which indicates they slipped or are way too cocky for the good of the town) is We Didn't Playtest This. Town lost because of bad assumptions about scum team size and composition ... and the worst part is that Plotinus replaced in and did an absurd amount of solid work and came to conclusions that would be sound if one just assumes "X game size = Y scum".

Also what Yuri said in #276. I'm analytical and arrogant and good at the late game and I'm very difficult to lynch and usually manage to keep myself questionable enough to avoid the night kill, unless I want the night kill, in which case I draw it, as I did in Inception mafia last year. I only get killed if I want to get killed, basically. The point of me taking stump and

declaring

I'm doing so is because I can then use the rest of the game to OTAF myself and help town and everyone knows from the jump what I'm doing.

If you

really

want to argue that my first move as scum would be to do the stupidest possible thing scum could do ... be my guest. Nobody who knows me is going to buy that shit though.

[Fro99er]

P-edit: If you respond to me with that kind of bullshit again Vecna I'll just ignore you all game. You don't know me and you're pissing up the wrong rope.

he really didn't respond with bullshit though.

[Drixx]

Ok I didnt want to post this but all the dumbasses are forcing me.

SCUM WANTS SCIENCE.

IT ALLOWS THEM TO -NOT- PICK THE SHITTY DAYCHAT. WHICH IS A WASTE. OF A SLOT

WITH SCIENCE, THEY CAN DISCUSS DURING THE NIGHT HOW THEY COORDINATE THE PICKING OF ABILITIES AND HOW TO DIVIDE THEM.

WITHOUT SCIENCE, THEY NEED DAYCHAT TO COORDINATE

picking science effectively gives scum the opportunity to pass on daychat. We WANT them to be forced to pick daychat.

Everyone arguing so hard why they want science probably realized this.

Main person is Drixx who is literally bringing out all the bad arguments why we need it and is trying to -shade- me and my logic hard.

How do you feel about that Titus? Ignore the parts where he is caressing your ego and all that, and look at the argument he is making and how hard he is pushing it, pretty much just forcing all kinds of nonsense together just to discredit my reasoning.

What kind of special are you? Are you

seriously

trying to argue that any scum team would pass on a day chat facilitator just on the HOPE that something better might be attained later in the game ... just because they can discuss what to build at night if we research science? That's your whole logical thought process?

And here I was assuming you had something actually important you were not saying and not something so completely implausible as to be absurd to even worry about.

Paranoid? No I don't think so.

TRYING TOO HARD

to look paranoid.

[Drixx]

P-edit: If you respond to me with that kind of bullshit again Vecna I'll just ignore you all game. You don't know me and you're pissing up the wrong rope.

he really didn't respond with bullshit though.

No ... I mean embedding his responses in my quote so that it's absurdly difficult to see them and respond to them on the post a reply screen. Making the game harder on someone else is a dick move, and I'll just ignore any fucker who does that to me. I ain't got time for that shit.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You're really underestimating how dysfunctional town can be Drix.

[Fro99er]

What kind of special are you? Are you seriously trying to argue that any scum team would pass on a day chat facilitator just on the HOPE that something better might be attained later in the game

That's not what he said at all.

He said if we choose science, scum will be able to see even more options. Like possibly twice as many, and then pass up day chat to coordinate at night because now they have two days worth of powers to coordinate.

He never said they were passing on day chat to hope something else later was better.

[beeboy]

But scum literally always have day chat in large themes unless site meta changed without me knowing.

[Fro99er]

P-edit: If you respond to me with that kind of bullshit again Vecna I'll just ignore you all game. You don't know me and you're pissing up the wrong rope.

he really didn't respond with bullshit though.

No ... I mean embedding his responses in my quote so that it's absurdly difficult to see them and respond to them on the post a reply screen. Making the game harder on someone else is a dick move, and I'll just ignore any fucker who does that to me. I ain't got time for that shit.

gotcha

Vecna -- just quote and post above or below the quote, don't post your thoughts inside someone else's quote.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There is way too much distrust early on for all the power we could gain to even match the fact that scum are informed.

[Leonshade]

The sign-up thread. It doesn't say that wonders are just regular PRs.

How does them being regular PRs over... actually, what was the alternative here? What did you think they were?

I was thinking Wonders in Civ, which mostly give passive benefits. I still expected PRs of some sort, but I wasn't really thinking about night kills, just about everyone agreeing on who gets the Wonders.

The idea was stupid but I didn't put much thought into it, my original idea was coming in here and declaring that I'm going to be practicing isolationist politics, at least my dumb idea was game-related.

[Sondam]

Was gonna say I didn't get a Role PM but i wasnt logged into the hydra account l0l

~G

[Yuri]

Idk I'm of the opinion scum won't pass up such a good power, daychat is really good and I doubt picking Science will mess with that.

Also this Drixx v Vecna thing is messy and based on mechanics and clashing egos and it sucks.