I'm not really sure how to respond to people saying I am "likely the SK" or referring to me as "someone I think is scum". Is there, like, a
reason
I'm the SK? Even if it's just the fact that I'm not as good a logician as you, which
clearly
influenced the mod's decision on how to assign the randomly assigned role to my predecessor? If you guys are still pretending that I was ignoring someone, then I guess there's not a lot I can do to convince you that you're wrong.
Now that I'm not using a cell phone to post, LIKE I SAID I WAS BEFORE, I can review the thread and use the quote feature, LIKE I COULDN'T BEFORE, and help you guys with the issues raised.
Bookitty ([url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=880617#880617]1836[/url]) wrote:Mastermind of Sin: "I can roll with this guy...He seems to trust his gut and I think I can too." Mastermind of Sin is voting for me. You said you didn't think you would. Do you trust his gut, or not?
. . .
Because as I read it, it seems like you're arguing that Ether might be scum because she went after town, a very obvious thing for scum to do, but that she's "cunning" enough to distance well. At the same time, you make this weird "defense" of me which involves me refuting townie lynches, which is something scum would be just as likely to do, and something I didn't do at all to my knowledge. Both arguments just look manufactured to me.
In the first place, White and Setael were nightkilled. They weren't lynched. So your argument against Ether goes to WIFOM about the nightkills. I was in part responsible for the mislynch of Yamahako, unfortunately. I can make a big justification about how I was trying to give Setael a chance to explain Flare's actions, but in the end I was just wrong and I take responsibility for that.
So your argument of Ether looks to me to be one you could easily disavow if she were to come up town, nearly setting up a straw man as an excuse for whatever you choose to do later. Meanwhile, your argument for me seems to be contingent on my "refuting townie lynches" which, while I'd love to take credit for that, I have not done and you haven't provided any evidence for. You ignored my question. Perhaps you missed it.
On MoS: No, I guess I don't agree with him that Bookitty is scum, but I said I thought he was trustable, not that I'd blindly follow him. Not only am I not
100%
convinced he's town, town can be wrong. Town's opinion demands more consideration because their opinion is
honest
, so you
can
trust it; that doesn't mean it's accurate. I have considered MoS' opinion of Bookitty, and I disagree.
On Ether: White and Setael being nightkilled just means she didn't
succeed
at getting them lynched. And everyone makes mistakes; I just think Ether picked her fights in a scummy way. It's not something I'd kill her for if she were at -1, but I still think it puts her higher up on the list than others. I'm sorry if you don't like how wishy-washy it is, but I had just joined the game - I
have
just joined the game, having been away for a lot of the time I was in it - and I don't have as much of a handle on the situation as you do.
On Bookitty herself: I'd initially thought that Bookitty had defended White, but now I see that that's not only incorrect, it's impossible. Oops. ¯\(°_o)/¯ I assume I mistook her for someone else. That changes little, as what convinced me wasn't
what
she was arguing, so much as the consistency of the content with my conclusions, implying similar bases,
as I have said several times
.
Ether ([url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=881034#881034]1861[/url]) wrote:I do hop around as a part of my playstyle. As for hopping
bandwagons
--only White's. I was the only person attacking Setael1 at the time, and I
started
the fatal Yamahako- and Zeppowagons with no initial support from other people. I
make
my targets easy.
I'm too lazy to look thoroughly right now, but I think there's a double-standard in this attack. (JDodge and MoS spring to mind immediately, although MoS is town.)
I think Bookitty's questions to you (MoS's gut, Bookitty has not in fact refuted town lynches) which you ignored are solid points which you need to respond to.
You can't just magically discount White, and Setael was already under scrutiny because of her predecessor, hmrox. It's true that you were the first on the Yamahako wagon, but Yamahako was an easy target too, because people already disliked him for his "new playstyle", and were bound to hound him for it.
I'm not saying other people didn't hop bandwagons, but as I said, I couldn't figure out Jdodge, and MoS looked town enough that that didn't cause a complete reversal of my opinion.
And I repeat that I DID NOT IGNORE BOOKITTY. I have now had a chance to address her problems, so I hope you're okay with that now.
I maintain my pseudovote on Battle Mage, except now that I'm back on stable access so as to babysit it,
vote: Battle Mage
.