Tammy wrote:was only a personal issue with me.
Uh, no.
Tammy wrote:Raging was only a personal issue with me..
Uh, no? I wasn't raging. I mean, its happened before. I had it if not notscience in Xenogears and notscience and Marquis in Spring Dance. I mean, I have a tendency to be an ass but I wouldn't say I raged at you.
Again, I thought your tone was off.
I've said this before.
Tammy wrote:
I am town, and I think that Andrius still does have a very high spchance of being scum
Ahahahahaha no.
Tammy wrote:playing in a way that is more designed to make me feel like shit than to actually find out my alignment makes way too much sense for him as scum.
That is not the goal.
Tammy wrote:we are preinned for the same game and I need to know if I should out.
I went ahead and cancelled mine for you.
To be fair, there were two reasons but w/e the second needs not be stated.
Tammy wrote:I will not play games with people who have personal issues with me that just try to make me feel like shit.
Ok, this is and never was the goal. My goal has never been MAKE TAMMY FEEL LIKE SHIT.
I had the intention of sorting you out earlier when I felt your tone was off and said something about it.
This has never been a personal thing.
In post 2054, Tammy wrote:As much as it depresses me nacho is probably scum for just whistling by all that too.
Just because he doesn't see eye to eye with you doesn't make him scum?
I mean I thought he was scum and then he engaged with me that one night and I knew despite him being busy he was town.
He's in my final three for a reason.
In post 2063, McMenno wrote:no that's not it, the point is town creature is *here are some thoughts* pretty frequently and whenever he feels likewith scum creature people are like "hey where's creature" and creature's like "I'm here *here are some thoughts*"
This feels overly simplistic.
There's no way his entire scumplay is BEETLEJUICE.
In post 2070, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 2054, Tammy wrote:As much as it depresses me nacho is probably scum for just whistling by all that too.
You're 100% right that I'm abandoning you in this game and I'm sorry for that. This game is a miserable, annoying slog and I have been playing with replacing out because it is a miserable, annoying slog.
Yeah you're town.
Ruin has come to our laundromat.
In post 2073, Nachomamma8 wrote:if we can't break through it here then I'm probably getting out of here and talking about it when I have distance from it all.
I'm here. I don't think I'll be leaving except by death.
See this just sounds like bull to me.
If I'm like Nacho you're scum.
And you're like, 'Andy you're off'. I'd be like what no. That's got to be the easiest way to deflect.
I mean if you were like ANDY MY (insert family member here) JUST DIED AND I AM SO OFF YOU HAVE NO IDEA I'd be like YEAH ACTUALLY I DO HAVE AN IDEA.
But if you just go 'no you're off' then that's nothing to me.
In post 2077, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 1358, Andrius wrote:I get busy.
Don't want this falling by the wayside with some convenient both of you are super busy oh darn that scumandrius snuck by us again.
Based on the way that I play, this isn't happening; people like you don't "sneak by", you either destroy me completely or you get destroyed. I'm sure if we're both town here then a moment of mutual meltdown is sure to occur in the future because that's how things have a way of happening, but I don't have it in me to go through this for another day. Rebuilding whatever is broken between all of us is sure to take time and understanding and quelling of feelings for a moment to listen but if it can't happen then I'm not playing.
I'm here.
I'm willing if you are. Grab a hammer.
In post 2089, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 780, Andrius wrote:Which is, frankly, a stupid thing to put into role pms but whatever it doesn't add anything to the game and basically encourages spam/shit/empty posting as EP realized because he TOLD US NOT TO SPAM POST THE WORDS.
Telling Tammy that she's putting Moist into her words and that somehow is making the game less fun and impossible to play is ridiculous. It's not playing the game, it's attacking Tammy. If he wasn't attacking Tammy specifically, why didn't he call out any of the 10 other people who put Moist into their words? Why did he single out Tammy?
Because Tammy was the one I was scumreading off her tone?
Is it this hard to understand?
Like if you take Tammy's posting and replace her name with [GERRYOAT, FB, Nos] it'd be entirely different.
WHO says it is key.
I really feel like there's a disconnect here but I'm ok dropping this and moving on because this is our ONLY source of contention for a number of people.
Everyone who posted last night was town!
This tell is 100% correct based on a sample size of 1.
I have just noticed you're not saying "our".
Ok then.
Tammy wrote:
I just reread the wall I wrote and it most definitely was NOT filled with hate.
This is a sign we're getting nowhere, because you keep saying RAGE and I keep going I was never raging.
Lots of frustration and whatever but no rage.
Desperados posting in the early 80's just rings of rabble-rouser.
In post 2128, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 2126, SlySly wrote:The hate is clear. If you can't see it, you're her scum buddy. I don't need to quote it, there's been enough damage done already.
You aren't her and you have no idea what she was thinking when she wrote those posts. Stop.
You aren't me and you have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote these posts?
Or is it just Tammy.
In post 2153, Firebringer wrote: In post 2149, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 2144, SlySly wrote:Do you read what I've said about Drealmz as being friendly? I've tried to give Drealmz a pass for several games now. I'm calling it like I see it now, because I finally reached a boiling point with him. I see Tammy's words towards Andrius the exact same way. I don't know their history, but I do know she hasn't been in the recent games I've played with Andrius for it to build up like I have been with Drealmz.
Tammy is hurt because she and Andrius are friends. She's hurt because they had a fantastic connection before you came into the picture, she's hurt because she cares about his opinion and she believes that he's singling him out for god knows what reason. I don't think that's a completely unreasonable place for her to be coming from. I don't think that Andrius means any ill will by him because I still have faith in him as a person, but I do think that him attacking her for the Moist thing was weird because plenty of others were doing it and because Andrius isn't the person who complains about people having fun but that's what he was doing.
Nachomamma8 is really scum here.
Explain. How/Why?
In post 2169, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:HOLY
MOLY
Every Creature post is exactly like what mcmenno is describing and it's exactly what I've read about his scum game this is precisely like in defcon where Reck said UT was scum but people didn't trust him.
Alright, I'll party with you.
Vote: Creature
If this doesn't happen my offer still stands.
Ok self-sort is a bad term.
I mean that it will resolve itself - a Vig or SK will shoot them for points and miller will die.
zzz
In post 2196, SlySly wrote: In post 2169, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Every Creature post is exactly like what mcmenno is describing and it's exactly what I've read about his scum game this is precisely like in defcon where Reck said UT was scum but people didn't trust him.
More defcon. Andrius, any thoughts on this?
McMenno's a TR for me.
UT was Scum in DEFCON who was a crowd-pleaser and, after surviving a D1 wagon on himself, was the sole survivor and won the game for MOTHER RUSSIA.
SAD was town in that game. FB was scum. Menno was town.
PINE MADE THE CALL TO ARMS
STRAHDIANS MUST ANSWER
In post 2234, Desperado wrote:He claims that he unlocks two doors.
I'm the stairs.
Presumably the stairs would be located in between those two doors.
My role PM does not say anything about doors.
I think it's bullshit.
This argument is bullshit. No mod would confirm the existence of another role in your role pm unless they're masons or something.
In post 2242, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 1360, Andrius wrote:You're also Hated though.
So thus enjoy some of the many 'benefits' of Miller-itude.
Two negative utility roles that are both town and both are "you impede getting the laundry done" is something that irks me out a bit and if there's scum in the pair, then it's Pine.
Eh.
I don't know if mod-side speculation will help but I don't see the value in Millers/Hated.
Wrong context.
He was going after one word of mine.
This was part of a trend.
Part of the reason he's in third tier town.
In post 2252, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 1360, Andrius wrote:In general, this is my concern with the mechanic.
Doesn't add value to the game besides for more dreck which we surely don't need.
But apparently people are TOUCHY about this so whatever it doesn't really matter.
The moist thing was fun. It was playful.
You're right that it doesn't add obvious value, but it can create the companionship feeling and it makes the game lighter, which in my opinion is the same value that your STRAHD playfulness adds. I don't think that people were being touchy about it, I think that it was silly and a little weird that you cracked down on the fun on that point of time to spread the narrative that Tammy was indulging in it to pad her posts; it was light, it was fun, I don't understand how it dragged the game down.
Do we really need to start a discussion on this?
In post 2255, Tammy wrote:Now that that game is over, I can reference exactly what I was referring to with Andrius over correcting here. In thing he buddies me too quickly too much and it set off alarm bells. I neighborized him anyway in the hopes my alarm was wrong because I wanted a neighborhood with him. By day two my growing problems with him and his lack of real scum hunting emerged and when I told him in the neighborhood that I suspected him he responded with a wall that basically told me I wasn't playing well enough - I didn't have solid scum reads early day one, even though the people I was talking about as my biggest scum reads toogeloo and goat had already flipped scum.
There are things that feel similar here and it feels like he threw suspicion at me early to overcorrect for what set off alarms in the previous game. Then deflecting to make my concerns trivial with a really bad argument feels too similar. He may not be buddying me here, but he is others.
Now that it is over you should ALSO know that ScumAndrius was set on buddying you and being close.
There was NO WAY I would scumread you without tons of time and effort so the best strategy was to simply townread you and be close.
I also discouraged Ranmaru from scumreading you because no one would take it seriously and it would be simply a thing that was done to appear contrarian. It was too forced.
You would benefit, I think, from reading the THING PT.
In post 2263, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 1361, Andrius wrote:I don't think I'd be surprised if any of my townreads turned out to be scum.
I don't actually think any of them are like SURPRISE-level material.
Maybe that's just because my care level is so low.
And it's hard for me to get a good read on you because I'm not used to your care level being this low. I am assuming that most of this is because of what's currently happening with Tammy and I would like to move past it so I can have my old, smiling Andrius back; I don't think I would be completely out of line to say that maybe your initial reactions to things were a little weird - you felt you were insulted and that crushed you and maybe that culminated in the mood you were in shortly after. I don't really know what more to say to you that is not game related but I know that we can all work past this and I just hope you're willing to give us the time to do it.
Any world where I scumread Tammy is weird.
Its never happened before.
In post 2265, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 1389, Andrius wrote:Then convince me he's not.
Because you're basically just going THIS IS A BAD IDEA without doing much.
Your involvement in the game is basically limited to trying to shut down a few select wagons that are town and little actual scumhunting.
And you interact with a select few people.
And I said I'm ok with this if its nothing more than a policy lynch.
Which it isn't.
zzz
I don't really disagree with your read on Zack here.
To be fair, I think SAD said it first.
In post 2257, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 2252, Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 1360, Andrius wrote:In general, this is my concern with the mechanic.
Doesn't add value to the game besides for more dreck which we surely don't need.
But apparently people are TOUCHY about this so whatever it doesn't really matter.
The moist thing was fun. It was playful.
You're right that it doesn't add obvious value, but it can create the companionship feeling and it makes the game lighter, which in my opinion is the same value that your STRAHD playfulness adds. I don't think that people were being touchy about it, I think that it was silly and a little weird that you cracked down on the fun on that point of time to spread the narrative that Tammy was indulging in it to pad her posts; it was light, it was fun, I don't understand how it dragged the game down.
I mean earlier I had plans to claim that I was the pile of clothes, a 3rd party who had to be the moistest thing of all and would die unless I was ranked #1 in the moist challenge and use that to get ahead so I can see if you were attacking me for that degree of shenanigans but Tammy's moist shenanigans didn't seem at all out of line.
You know that's a bullshit role.
I know that's a bullshit role.
I'd definitely tell you it was a bullshit role and expect you to drop it within a page or two.
I know this is a SPYREX-reviewed game and he's done SURVIVORs before but there's no way this flies.
All that role does is encourage SPAM over playing the game.
Even a Survivor has to play the game.
