~laundry~ FIN

[Fro99er]

WAAAAHHHHHH I HATE MY PM

WAAAHHHHH

VOTE: Aero

Not RVS

[Fro99er]

I see what you did there

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OH MY GOD CAN WE STOP ALL THIS MOIST TALK OR I WILL CRY

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This game is amazing

This game sucks and it makes me want to cry already

UUUUUGGGGGHHHH

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VOTE: Gerryoat

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Don't be dumb slysly join the wagon

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These miller votes are all weaksauce.

Vote the obvsock

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WHY THE FUCK ARE WE ALL TALKING SO WEEEEEIRD I HATE IT WAAAAHHHHH

EP THIS GAME STINKS SO MUCH I NEED NOSE JAMMER

[Fro99er]

N0 peeks can't be on socks.

Desperado must be a real miller

Orly?

n0 guilty peek Creature


VOTE: Creature

Fake guilty. Zack's a sock with Gerry.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne

[Fro99er]

I think tammy is a moist towelette

I think

[Fro99er]

Desperado votes are the worst votes.

DONT MAKE ME KICK AND SCREAM AND CRY OH OHLY SHIT DESPERADO LIVES IN RALEIGH?

[Fro99er]

I'm already voting SAD but I'd double vote SAD if I could.

Screw it...let's double vote SAD

VOTE: SAD
VOTE: SAD

[Fro99er]

WWAAAAAHHHH THIS MOD HATES ME WITH THIS TERRIBLE TIMING FOR A VOTE COUNT

I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT A DOUBLE VOTER WAAAAHHHH STUPID MOD I WANTED TO HAVE FUN WITH THAT FOR A BIT

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I'm thinking a SAD vote is justified, but let's have this discussion first.

I'm fine with a mass flavor claim.

I just cannot talk about one part of mine, period. You're going to have to believe me on this or bad things will happen to this towel.

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You don't need to baby me. I know you went to bed. I didn't mean to be like SHES NOT HERE SHES SCUM it was a SHES NOT HERE.

What was the "wut" part for after the "She was here for pages 1-2 and is gone."

[Fro99er]

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

Holy sock

[Fro99er]

Yeah Andrius is scum prob.

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

So do you think Andy is weakly bussing Tammy by saying her posts feel off (a line which you then repeated)?

[Fro99er]

Aeronaut is town

Explain

[Fro99er]

Aero is town btw.

Aero is town btw.

For what?

Moistness.

That's not an explanation, buddy.

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No I don't make relationship tells before a flip are you on drugs I rank people independently.

Why do I have to explain this to people every game.

drives me nuts too

I keep the assocation possibilities in mind and completely fluid, but they should almost never be a point of discussion

"how can you be voting your top SR who is voting your 2nd SR?" - uh because that's how it makes sense play the game?

I always make a point to ask for later.

That's how I bust people and how I play. Always will. Don't care if you don't like it, it's not gonna change. Just ask Tammy in MAFIACEPTION I used this tactic to figure out Pepto/Molla and Titus and Tammy pulled Ranger out a loop and it was glorious.

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Yeah and what if it's multiball or third-party or anything it's stupid to do association tells before flips.

It's never stupid to do association tells before flips. to use it as your only basis for a scum read is, but not to do it in general as part of a larger picture. But socks ALWAYS scold me on this.

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Do one of you have a fucking modifier that makes you say the word moist I wouldn't be shocked at this point
I'm gonna stomp no your throat and watch as you choke on your own blood watching the life drain from your eyes if you keep using that word
S-so just be careful! *giggle*

Okay this has been bugging me all morning. Why did you refer to it as a modifier?

I don't see the issue with this...

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I think people are reading far too much into this modifier talk.

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I'm not

really

pre-empting you as a scumread I said I have you as lean scum because your early posts felt super wishy wash.

But I can get a read on you later anyway it's not like OMG TAMMY IS SCUM LYNCH HER WITH FIRE.

I don't think the word really was needed there. Like, I'm not pre-empting you as a scum read so much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you as a scumread.

It would have read find without the really.

[Fro99er]

focus purely on the moist part knowing it has no bearing to wincon.

How do we know it doesn't? What did I miss.

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Because I have it and it doesn't...

Right but why can't scum have it too?

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like, how do you know scum has the moist thing if you're town?

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Guys I'm pretty sure SAD just scumslipped

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But this description is right. SAD didn't scum slip with it. The moist is just a modifier that has nothing to do with alignment or wincon, it's just a little mini game to amuse the mod.

Gotcha, at least now multiple people confirm.

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That maria immediately jumped to it being a modifier is bugging me.

Why? It doesn't bug me. At all.

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That maria immediately jumped to it being a modifier is bugging me.

Why? It doesn't bug me. At all.

It bugs me because she doesn't have the modifier or else she would have used it. She wouldn't have said "it wouldn't surprise me if you guys have a modifier with moist in it", which would mean she has it.

My thought is that if you see someone constantly using the word moist, my first thought would be to jump to it being a post restriction of some kind. But it's referred to as a modifier, and it concerns me that she has seen it referred to as such.

Is there a reason why you can't just let her answer?

I'm just saying I can understand why she specifically phrased it that way. She's probably not the only one who could have...

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focus purely on the moist part knowing it has no bearing to wincon.

How do we know it doesn't? What did I miss.

Because I have it and it doesn't...

uhhhhh, then why did you ask about it?

Did this get answered yet?

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True it could just be a coincidence, but I'm not going to not ask about something that pings me to see if it leads me somewhere anywhere.Imagine if you have something in your role pm, you know other people do too, it's not alignment relevant, and someone who does not have it uses the same terminology as used in your role pm, you might just wonder if they'd seen it because scum tend to post their role pms in the scum pt. I'm not sure why I can't follow up on that. It's not a smoking gun or I'd be voting her, It's a this could be a thing and I should ask about it before I dwell on it.

I understand your perspective and I never said you couldn't follow up on it.

I said I can understand why she did that.

IOW, I think you're barking up the wrong tree...not that you didn't have right to. Just that I think you're suspicion is misplaced.

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I'm going to keep my SAD pressure and because he certainly sock pings me, but it's going to be a priority for me to sort SAD/Tammy/MariaR

[Fro99er]

Also Dreal is most definitely a towel

[Fro99er]

I'm town!

Why do you have SAD/Maria on the priority sort list though?

Because I believe one of you or SAD is scum based off that whole last page or two of stuff. Or I could be way off base and it's maria. Because I'm on the fence about you and if you're a towel then I want to trust your maria read. But I don't completely trust you yet which saddens me so much it makes me want to cry WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

[Fro99er]

Also Dreal is most definitely a towel

dry, moist, wet?

I actually don't know what any of this means.

[Fro99er]

It is definitely interesting to see some people claim it as a modifier where others see it as the same thing I do, a mini-game that isn't supposed to be game related, and then there are people who seem to be completely unaware of it's part of the game.

I assumed it was a modifier and was unaware it was a game.

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I'm not

really

pre-empting you as a scumread I said I have you as lean scum because your early posts felt super wishy wash.

But I can get a read on you later anyway it's not like OMG TAMMY IS SCUM LYNCH HER WITH FIRE.

I don't think the word really was needed there. Like, I'm not pre-empting you as a scum read so much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you as a scumread.

It would have read find without the really.

This pings me.

Tammy was saying the pre-empting thing about Andy, and SAD chimes in like its about him and uses the word "really" which...really...didn't need to be there.

[Fro99er]

I'm just gonna bring up the SAD really thing every page or two until people tell me it's stupid or it's a thing.

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Right. She had a feeling ARTHUR was pre-empting her. And you thought it was about you. And then you used "really" like, I'm not really pre-empting you as much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you.

[Fro99er]

You are just terrible at this game holy

My town performance banner disagrees.

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Right. She had a feeling ARTHUR was pre-empting her. And you thought it was about you. And then you used "really" like, I'm not really pre-empting you as much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you.

Because she calls me Arthur

and I know this fact.

What are you even saying.

I'll take whatever you're on.

aw god dammit.

I misread Arthur and andy

[Fro99er]

At least people could tell me it's stupid.

[Fro99er]

That was me preparing to barf @ frogger's "nuh uh I won a scummy!"

Yeah, well it's true. And I led the town there too. So anyone who tells me I'm bad at this will just have to get it thrown in their face.

[Fro99er]

and this is why there's no more best town performance.shame, people. shame.

Welp.

Sorry y'all.

I'll just shut up today.

[Fro99er]

Even if so sounds like I struck a nerve with others.

[Fro99er]

Well I have a weak heart. It's why I left the site in the first place because this site got really toxic for a while.

anyway...back to our regularly scheduled programming of lynching SAD.

[Fro99er]

Fire let's not drag this out come join the wagon

[Fro99er]

Fire let's not drag this out come join the wagon

join what?

wait who am I even voting?

This juicy SAD wagon

[Fro99er]

I'd vote SAD just for saying he has like 7 TRs after 10 troll pages and maybe only 3 legit content pages. but i'll wait

[Fro99er]

Fro99er want to be towel buddies?

That sounds sexy.

I'm game.

[Fro99er]

how many votes on him rn

7

he's at L-2

[Fro99er]

Can we L-1 and derphammer SAD. I want to see tammy's reaction to that.

[Fro99er]

ninja'd theres the L-1

DERPHAMMER PLZ

[Fro99er]

OMG SOMEONE HAMMERZ

FOR THE LOLZ

[Fro99er]

Can we L-1 and derphammer SAD. I want to see tammy's reaction to that.

Hmmm

are you actually scum.

Not at all.

[Fro99er]

WTF FIRE

[Fro99er]

Are you guys kidding me???

If he's really at l-1 someone unvote now.

Also my leaning townread on frogger is gone gone gone. No way now how town him pulls this lame as bullshit. Also if Arthur does flip town and you interacted with me nada about it, I'm not listening to anything you have to say the rest of the game.

HAHAHAHA OKAY TRY ME

[Fro99er]

Someone should hammer SAD pretty please then Tammy would have to do battle with me.

[Fro99er]

Great,explain your scumread on me.

LOL I've been explaining it all game dude.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: frogger

BRING IT ON

[Fro99er]

Fire can we do SAD and let me battle it out with Tammy later.

[Fro99er]

LOOK AT ME LINING UP LYNCHES

[Fro99er]

What is seriously wrong with you frogger?

Why does mr oh I'm too weakhearted to have someone joke about me throwing my scummy in their face trying to actually start a fight? Why wouldn't a town you want to work with me?

Like what the fuck is your problem???

Nothing is wrong with me. I'm trying to eliminate scum. I have nothing personal against you and no problem with you. You're just not town.

[Fro99er]

tick fucking tock frogger

what is your problem?

Like I said, no problem.

I also have no problem with a 1v1, let's go

VOTE: Tammy

[Fro99er]

There is something seriously wrong with Frogger here.

After this game you'll be 1/3 in reading me. I guess MAFIACEPTION was the ex...ception.

[Fro99er]

This is not town frogger by the way and if it is I'm disappointed as all hell. i was like yay frogger's playing we worked together really well in mafiaception maybe that will happen again if he's town.

LOL and you've played with scum frogger.

Scumfrogger is a SUPER TRYHARD. Remember BEES.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Fro99er]

I'm sorry you're not town.

I'm sorry you're either wrong or scum.

Probably scum.

[Fro99er]

But this will be a fun wagon on me to catch the real scumz

[Fro99er]

And seriously if this is your town game, you do not get to rub your scummy in anyone's face again.

Having one good game and then pulling this shit is not brag worthy.

OH WAHHH I MIGHT CRY

[Fro99er]

There is something seriously wrong with Frogger here.

After this game you'll be 1/3 in reading me.

I guess MAFIACEPTION was the ex...ception.

this was a good sentence.
I think it would be a huge boon to all parties involved if you two tried to explain your reads on each other a tiny bit better.

I didn't like Tammy's stance on SAD at all, especially as SAD was under pressure.

[Fro99er]

although I still want to lynch SAD and just figure out if I'm wrong on Tammy later.

VOTE: SAD

[Fro99er]

although I still want to lynch SAD and just figure out if I'm wrong on Tammy later.

VOTE: SAD

TBF I do think a town!Tammy and I can actually work together, and I'm starting to feel like this could be a TvT.

I don't care if she still scum reads me for "can't take the heat I'm backing off" ... it is what it is.

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Wow so sorry I was looking forward to playing you. You were enjoyable at one time.

Such a low blow. Shots fired.
Send out the burn unit.

I need some moist..ure to help me.

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I didn't like Tammy's stance on SAD at all, especially as SAD was under pressure.

I have not yet read the game and am trying not to get absorbed in it yet. Would you mind elaborating a bit? Why didn't you like her stance/why do you think it was coming from scum/why was this pressure important (especially considering it was happening so early)?

I felt like she was discrediting any possible scum read on Arthur except her own reason, yet still couldn't take a stance on him one way or the other. It's fine if they need to dance, but her reaction to every time someone gave a read for SAD felt like she was trying to discredit their reasons. And I could see scum doing that whether SAD was town (town points for diffusing a town lynch) or scum (if SAD was her buddy)

I feel like a town!Tammy would have been more receptive to other people's reasons.

[Fro99er]

Me advocating a quicklynch = me scum.

Because I'd be so blatant about it as scum.

I'm not a n00b

[Fro99er]

Tammy I was happy to see you too. And I'm not playing this way because I'm scum manipulating you. I really am town and I have my reasons for acting certain ways.

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There are very very few people I'd take serious input from on an Arthur read. I've known him a long time and seen him get lynched over and over and over again for the same things that you guys are scum reading him for.

There are a couple things I'm looking for with Arthur and I haven't seen them yet to have an idea if he's town.

I answered that here.

Same thing goes for how I read Nacho. I'll listen but I don't value other people's reads above my own on some people. Arthur is one of those people.

It's not a matter of not being receptive; it's a matter of experience with people.

That's fine. I guess I shouldn't have gotten in the way of you and Arthur, but I'm always one to pounce on stuff I think I see. JUST like I did in MAFIACEPTION. Maybe the exact WAY I went about it felt different to you, but my excitement isn't any different

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Plus, Tammy I'll never have hard feelings at you even if you think what I did was out of line.

I go through these shitfests with my friends when I'm town. Ask Aero. (I'm still waiting for my shitfest with Aero)

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I think it got bad when everyone went from "hey I think that SAD and Tammy have a weird relationship" to "RRRRRRAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH".

Fair.

BTW it's been too long. Was it Nacho or Notty who diffuses TvTs as scum?

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I believe you Tammy.

I still think SAD is scum for that push on the miller then saying it was a fake push and he's always town read him.

Hey Arthur when did you decide that desperado was town?

Uhh since like

always.

I just wanted to pressure him to see if it was a fake-claim because the 1-shot commuter looked like it was a good fake-claim from a design stand-point esp with this point emphasized:

- Scum cannot perform kill and use power on the same night.

But I still don't think he would've claimed miller if he was scum idk the rest of his posts don't seem to be angry that people are scumreading him because of what he claimed more like "yeah I got this role and this is the optimal play for this role so this is what I did".

[Fro99er]

I actually think the commuter is even more believable as a miller

[Fro99er]

Here you go

Desperado votes are the worst votes.

DONT MAKE ME KICK AND SCREAM AND CRY OH OHLY SHIT DESPERADO LIVES IN RALEIGH?

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

Holy sock

Yeah Andrius is scum prob.

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

So do you think Andy is weakly bussing Tammy by saying her posts feel off (a line which you then repeated)?

Yeah and what if it's multiball or third-party or anything it's stupid to do association tells before flips.

It's never stupid to do association tells before flips. to use it as your only basis for a scum read is, but not to do it in general as part of a larger picture. But socks ALWAYS scold me on this.

[Fro99er]

If tammy felt off to you why did you join her in voting me?

[Fro99er]

Especially "so so so off"

I think this is scum SAD trying to say I don't have a case on him to make me look bad.

[Fro99er]

Me advocating a quicklynch = me scum.

Because I'd be so blatant about it as scum.

I'm not a n00b

every time you self-meta it has the opposite of it's intended effect

Don't really care.

I do it every game.

EVERY GAME.

It's NAI for me.

[Fro99er]

This might be only the second time my one-shot scumtell fails. Because I'm pretty sure desp is a towel.

WAAAAHHHHH that makes me sad

[Fro99er]

First post has nothing to do with me. There are multiple people scumreading Desp. If anything I'm townreading Desp so are you fucking high.

Second post shows no critical thinking or any form of explanation.

Third line you're stupidity trying to do association before flips.

Fourth is you explaining stupidity.

1. You were scumreading desp at the time
2. You were parroting someone else saying the same thing a few posts earlier
3. So, that's still a reason I have whether you like it or not. It's how I play
4. And this is me pointing out scum tend to scold me for it

They are all reasons whether you think they are bad reasons or not.

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1. You were scumreading desp at the time
2. You were parroting someone else saying the same thing a few posts earlier
3. So, that's still a reason I have whether you like it or not. It's how I play
4. And this is me pointing out scum tend to scold me for it

They are all reasons whether you think they are bad reasons or not.

So acting like I have no reasons is just trying to discredit me.

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That was one of the things that I liked from Arthur. Arthur sometimes pushes things he doesn't feel really strong about to get reactions or reads. He could have easily made up some reason for the change in read, and he knows that I'm not going to expect consistency and will accept I changed my mind as I do that too, so the reaction thing was something that felt real from him.

cool. Noted. I'll remove that as a point against him (assuming you're town)

I can understand why SAD does it. It's something I used to do when I was a noob, but almost everyone told me it's bad to do when I was new. So now I don't do it anymore.

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

[Fro99er]

Tammy our reconciliation brings mosture to my eyes. I'm tearing up. *SNIFFLE SNIFFLE*

(NOSE JAMMER)

[Fro99er]

You're still discrediting SAD here and it's scummy

I'm not at all.

I just said I can understand why he does it.

But by all means consider me scum.

[Fro99er]

Ser Arthur Dayne

(7): Aeronaut, Fro99er, Pine, Andrius, drealmerz7, SlySly, gerryoat, (+Firebringer when it got to L-1)

Just remembering this for the future.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Gerry

[Fro99er]

I play to correctly call the scum team.

Well you're currently not doing it.

[Fro99er]

to see if I'm correctly calling reads or not.

Well you're either scum or you're not correctly calling reads.

[Fro99er]

I'm not at all.

I just said I can understand why he does it.

But by all means consider me scum.

No, you did not "just" say that. You said that, and then you said you understand why he does it because you used to do it when you were a noob, and then people told you it was bad so you stopped.

What's your point. I'm not throwing shade. I'm saying that's why I stopped.

Just like everyone tells me it's bad to self-meta, yet I do it every time. Or it's bad to preflip associate, but I do it anyway. I don't hold it against him despite people saying it's a bad thing to do.

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No, you did not "just" say that. You said that, and then you said you understand why he does it because you used to do it when you were a noob, and then people told you it was bad so you stopped.

If you think this is me throwing shade, all I can do is laugh at you. I'm not even calling him a noob, I'm saying I get why people do things that other people don't like.

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If you think anything you say is going to prevent me from understanding what kind of effect a post like that, with the words that you used, has on other people reading it, you're mistaken.

Cool, we'll come back to this after the game when you find out I'm town.

Unless you're scum in which case it's moot.

[Fro99er]

I'll sheep that Zach point

VOTE: Zach

[Fro99er]

Not that hard to read the directions on the tag of your clothes

It really is tho. Because that requires effort.

[Fro99er]

Really bad vote.

Cool

[Fro99er]

Im waiting til u inevitably move your vote to vote you, so you can't say it's OMGUS.

Both town and scum OMGUS.

So I'd hardly use that as a reason against you.

[Fro99er]

Has nobody else noticed that nosferstu keeps posting and responding to the most irrelevant stuff?

(That one post to me was like the only actual game related post she's made.)

Give me time with Nos

[Fro99er]

Better that than sheeping the guy you were trying to lynch a few pages ago LMAO without even expanding onto his point

What can i say.

I'm erratic.

[Fro99er]

The only thing I like is that people are finally realizing what I pointed out last night that nosferstu is being useless. She's scummy, but frogger asked for a minute and I'm giving that.

Thanks. I'm not sure on Nos yet but I know a town Nos when I see one...usually as the game progresses. I'm not going to say what it is, because I don't want to influence that behavior coming out or not.

[Fro99er]

Can we lynch nos?

No

[Fro99er]

GLORIOUS ERRANTPARABOLEANS

dreaemrz - Drealmerz is as drealmerz does. He'll scumread me at some point for a difference in playstyle but there's little that can be done save be masons with him.

Pine - I mean you punch me in the heart when you say I maybe scum. But I think you're town. Strong early game, gives no shits.
MariaR - We're always waiting for the next season. The producers don't want any big moves this early. Also, you remind me of AGM a bit with the (apparently) you have a preference for MAFIA and there's less engagement here. But hey, we're talking atnd its D1 so maybe we'll stick it to the producers this one eh?
SlySly - Town.
Fro99er - Town because the big three are hating on him and he doesn't give a shit. Honey badget don't care.
Toog - Wow look he's doing things. And he's joining the gif brigade. Town.
SAD - Town for reactions to wagon and potential lynching at L-1.

???
FB - This'll likely be a long-term read. Because I've seen you as scum (DEFCON), and I'm actually town this game, I'm going to actually have to pay attention to what you're doing this game. Which, hopefully, you just join the GIF BRIGADE and we don't hav to ever doubt your heart.
Zack - mfw doing little of consequence. FB townreads him. idgi
Aero - Literally haven't seen anything he's done of consequence. Will have to look individually.
Creature - Not playing to his normal. Will take time to parse out the dreck. Vigilo. Confido.
Tammy - Rising. At this point I'd target you if I were a Weak role just to have this out of the way.

SOCKS
Desperado - Like, you're here. Claim aside, you're still here. I don't have words but the gut says you're here. The brain says no. But we all know how I play.
Gerry - No, you're doing little things making little waves and are generally just herp derping through the game. SAD has too many townreads? I have more. Come at me, scum.
nacho - Nacholove I could write you an essay. All I want is for you to be here and do the reads and either lead or be part of the TOWNBLOC that you know will happen because you and I are here and this is how we roll. I want to see you interact with people and be human but I'm not getting the Nacholove vibes. And you know I can read you correctly. (And yes, I realize that the most recent game we've played was WEREWOLVES with PINE. I forgot about that one.)
Nosferatu - Please show up and play the game.

And drealmerz is a pretty good guy I was just at a christmas party with him we got loaded as fuck. But I can tell when his posting style of sentences with lots of lowercase letters - and -- dashes and-- INDIVIDUAL capitalized WORDS and "q"uotes -- are being -- FAKED.

Thought that was interesting. Why is dreal the strongest townread Andy? Zach would certainly seem to disagree.


UNVOTE:

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Andrius

[Fro99er]

Yeah SAD is town. Sorry about earlier.

If he wanted to pressure lurkers Nos is the easy target but the fact that he looks behind the curtain on lurkers and found, in his opinion, better option for a legit reason is very pro-town

[Fro99er]

I'm not your buddy, guy.

[Fro99er]

The lists aren't stratified other than by category.
If they are, I'll make it clear that's the case.

This doesn't address my underlying question though about your Dreal read.

All this serves to do is say he's not necessarily your top town read.

[Fro99er]

This doesn't help me. At all.
I want him dead and the vague IN THE FUTURE stuff won't fly forever.

I'm not trying to help you. I'm saying there are very specific ways I can tell Nos is town. I have seen it a bit, but not enough for me to feel comfortable hems town.

Your reason on Nos is bull. It literally says you want him to do more. But you said the same for Creature and are letting him get a pass

What is the difference between the two.

I have no history with Creature so he's null for me right now (that and I haven't tried to sort him yet). I have a history with Nos and I'm perfectly comfortable not pushing that slot and letting it play out.

[Fro99er]

Nosferatu - Please show up and play the game.

That is not a reason. Plenty of town players on this site have low post count, and/or post substance (I.e. Shitposting).

[Fro99er]

Creature - Not playing to his normal.

THEN WHY ARENT YOU PUSHING THIS

[Fro99er]

although I still want to lynch SAD and just figure out if I'm wrong on Tammy later.

VOTE: SAD

TBF I do think a town!Tammy and I can actually work together, and I'm starting to feel like this could be a TvT.

Not sure how you thought it was a TvS lmao

VOTE: Tammy

???

[Fro99er]

Alright. I'm not actually sure Nos is town which saddens me.

[Fro99er]

Frogger - I read that as you had a town read and were sad and I was so confused. What do you think about his reasons for voting me?

I'm not actually sure why he's voting you. I guess for not voting Andy? That seems pretty normal for you from what I know of you. Like in Mafiaception.

[Fro99er]

Oh, I guess he unvoted now. I actually think that's possibly a towny move. I'm not sure on Nos yet. I'm getting some of the town vibes I've seen from town!Nos before, but I'm not really understanding his mindset here around the Tammy vote and usually he brings better points around it (which shows my respect for his town game). However, the pointed and somewhat surly tone of his posts give me the town vibes I usually get from him. His scum game has a different tone, from the one time I saw.

[Fro99er]

Hmm, I should probably be putting in this effort to case Fro99er.

Would love to see it

[Fro99er]

Well for starters, maybe tell me the cause for this post? Cause I don't believe there was a towny reason to say this at all.

WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Fro99er]

I'm thinking a SAD vote is justified, but let's have this discussion first.

I'm fine with a mass flavor claim.

I just cannot talk about one part of mine, period. You're going to have to believe me on this or bad things will happen to this towel.

Well for starters, maybe tell me the cause for this post?

No

Cause I don't believe there was a towny reason to say this at all.

Think harder

[Fro99er]

Frogger, Andrius, like you, is town. I've played 2 very recent games with Andrius-town. This is Andrius-town.

How so. I haven't so can you explain why

[Fro99er]

Frogger, Andrius, like you, is town. I've played 2 very recent games with Andrius-town. This is Andrius-town.

Also, why address me instead of SAD, Toogeloo and Nacho who are on the wagon as well (at the time of the post...I'm still catching up)

[Fro99er]

he confirmed that he's looking for a mislynch

LMAO where did he confirm this?

[Fro99er]

he confirmed that he's looking for a mislynch

LMAO where did he confirm this?

(because I read that exchange between you two and I didn't see anything of the sort)

[Fro99er]

Alright nvm I get it now.

I can see why Gerry thinks Desp is scum looking for a mislynch. If I was town and it came across to me that someone was just looking to "improve the game" then I'd be suspicious of that too. But I'm pretty sure Desp means we'll improve the game because he thinks Gerry is scum, and on the off chance he's not (according to Desp) we'd lose someone who hasn't been actively helping town.

[Fro99er]

Nacho why are you abandoning your Andy vote

[Fro99er]

VOTE: drealmerz

[Fro99er]

remember when I said SAD was town and yall wagoned him?
Yeahhhh

Do you want a cookie?

I has cookies

[Fro99er]

it was a scum wagon and scum distracted it and didn't let it build

It got to L-1.

Keep flailing

[Fro99er]

The gambit itself was totally not believable, but the reaction you got from Dreal was worth it alone

[Fro99er]

On a side note, dreal has focused on SAD for like 90% of the day and hasn't tried to solve the game at all otherwise.

He's asked a few why or what questions, but hasn't hactually done any analysis aside from his focus on SAD. Like he almost doesn't care about figuring out the rest of town...

[Fro99er]

just keep repeating that to yourself so you don't have to address any of my points why 1.) no it wasn't and 2.) it doesn't fucking matter

If it doesn't matter then why are you arguing so hard that it does matter that it was fake?

[Fro99er]

I knew it was fake

NOT OBVIOUSLY FAKE

[Fro99er]

I knew it was fake

I don't know that it was fake

[Fro99er]

^^^flail harder

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Firebringer

Guys can we do this instead

[Fro99er]

Also, Froninetyniner after knowing the guilty is fake,

I already knew the guilty was fake from the start.

maintains a scumread because of one flimsy thing that has some merit at best. Because of how drealmerz is acting tho it will be easy to paint him as scum. He doesn't even care about the supposed scum motivation behind drealmerz actions, just that he seemingly contradicted himself.

The contradiction came after the scumread. That's not why I scumread him. I scumread him because his reaction to the fake guilty was to talk about flavor and roles, when he clearly said earlier in the game he didn't want to do that.

And drealmearz reaction reads faked to me. If he "knew" it was a fake claim, why throw a hissy fit and try to rolefish? Instead, call his bluff, figure out his motivation for doing so (he didn't even try to do that...just said it's fake so must lynch), and work from there. It was a pretty clear reaction test and drealmerz failed it by flailing.

Either way, I think a fire wagon is better at this point in time.

[Fro99er]

Like I don't believe somebody actually seriously got that mad over an obvious fake guilty.

[Fro99er]

If you think he's throwing a hissy fit you haven't played with him before

You're right, I haven't. Last time I even played a game was before his join date.

[Fro99er]

Zach you should vote fire with me

[Fro99er]

Like I don't believe somebody actually seriously got that mad over an obvious fake guilty.

I mean, I do.
He flipped out on me for outing his message to me in Strahd. This is normal.

Everything is fine.

There are some clear and obvious play differences between him + his home site and how we do things on MS so yeah, I totally see this as him just being THIS IS NOT THE WAY OF MY PEOPLE WHAT IS THIS HERESY.

Fair enough. I've never played with him and I've only ever played here, so I guess flipping out like that isn't a normal reaction to a very obvious fake guilty from what I see.

[Fro99er]

Also I don't believe you scumread me fro99er because I have been caught as scum by you at least twice and this isn't how you acted at all.

So are you saying I'm scum? Because I don't believe you think I'm scum.

[Fro99er]

I would love to help you bus

1. not bussing...i'm town
2. then join me on a fire vote

[Fro99er]

no, i don't scum read you.

so you think I'm gambiting?

[Fro99er]

I have no reason to be annoyed with you.

I've been annoyed with you before, and you know I get somewhat to very heated with you when I am.

[Fro99er]

I actually just think you're scum.

[Fro99er]

Fire knows this makes no sense. Why would I, as town, just vote him because I'm annoyed with him when I don't have a history of voting people I'm annoyed with as town.

[Fro99er]

i don't really want to drag this out but you and i got kind of heated when you left the site.

Did we...I don't even remember.

[Fro99er]

Life throwing curve balls at you + heated mafia exchange can = site leaving.

That's exactly why I left...except I don't remember who I had heated exchanges with...except one person. But that person won't be named and it's not fire so we can move on from that discussion.

[Fro99er]

Anyway...I'm in a cloud of a bunch of maybe scum reads and I don't really have any great strong scum reads. I think Fire, Andy, Gerry, and possibly dreal could be scum and that's what I'm trying to sort out right now.

Sly is null but I'm having weird feelings about that slot but I can't put my finger on it.

I haven't figured out Nosferatu yet

I think SAD Desp and Tammy are town...probably maria, and nacho and Pine. And probably Zach because I think Zach seriously believes his push on me and it's not a scum fake push.

The rest are null because I haven't interacted with them and haven't played with them before and I haven't tried figuring them out yet (I tend to sort people by when I interact with them)

I'll give my fire case after my podcast.

[Fro99er]

Andy can you remind me why you're voting Nos?

[Fro99er]

I wanted to protect andrius cause I enjoy him as a player but I can't deny he has been a scumread since his tammy interaction like 20 pages ago.

His interactions are wonky.
He doesn't know how to interact with me which isn't good sign
And he is playing this game like he is at a fourth grade reading level:

VOTE: Andrius


Sorry buddy, your great but you stink like socks

Talk about superficial reasons for scum reading someone.

If he's been scummy for 20 pages, why were you vote parked on desperado (and not even trying to push a desperado case). If you seriously thought desp was scum, why didn't you push more people to see why he's scummy?

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: literally every post of Fire's from his Desp vote to his Andy vote

VOTE: Desperado

gerry, join the lurk team.

firebringer is in this game (why did I replace in again)

cause u are a memester who likes to troll me.

andrius, join my lurker squad.

I'm not even going to ask you for reads.
Name one person you want to lynch.
Name one person you think is 100% town (or as close as you can be without being dead).

I'd preferably love to hear your reads on [Nacho, Tammy, garry, Nosferatu, Aero] but if that's asking too much from you then ok.

this is asking for reads. I thought i sprinkled several throughout da?

Reads:
Town: Tammy,
Weak Town: Nacho
Null: Aero is in this game?
Scum lean: garry
Scum: Nosferatu


theres other people in this game, but those names i saw in ur thing.
also ur leaning scum.

happy day maria.

this is asking for reads. I thought i sprinkled several throughout da?

I mean I would prefer reads on literally every living player in this game but I get the impression that would be too taxing for you.

i mean, i can give u reads on people. Just got to give me names.

Hows life buddy?

what u think of my scum read on u?

i suck at lurking.

ur so defensive on ur tr this game.

you are being super defensive for the people you townread.
its a little out of character.

you are being super defensive for the people you townread.
its a little out of character.

Out of charat-
Have you seen my town game?
I read or die with my townreads LIKE IF ANYONE SHOULD KNOW THIS IT'S YOU

Fite me 1v1.

Even if I was acting "out oc character" I don't see why that'd be an issue

its not lol

Fire.
Can you quote my #1067 in the hopes that Tammy sees it?
I'm hoping she's not literally ignoring all my posts from now on but if so then my question will never get answered.

ty

look man, ur over eager.
give it 2-3 pages then you can quote it and try to make sure she responds.

this is desperate.

Panda face you unvote gerry before I kick you in the face
not even peta will save you from my wraith

You're in my town bloc, but gerry isn't. Desperado is also in my town bloc, and you are voting him.

Can we consider this a lover's quarrel?

thats more like a lovers triangle.

isn't orgy like more than 8?
I am very unfamiliar with this.

I'm townread and I'm not even doing much
WOOOOOO WERE GOING PLACES
Pedit: ewwwwwwwwwww

i don't townread u, if that makes u feel better?

im glad we settled that

Firebringer is possible scumz.

glad someone is catching on

drealmerz stay with the lurking squad.

word vomit volleying sounds like a terrible sport.

this game...

can i be one of the few who says i half believed it?
not that i believed he had a guilty, that he just had a day investigation.

Can someone explain what crawled up fro99er but this game?

Also I don't believe you scumread me fro99er because I have been caught as scum by you at least twice and this isn't how you acted at all.

Also I don't believe you scumread me fro99er because I have been caught as scum by you at least twice and this isn't how you acted at all.

So are you saying I'm scum? Because I don't believe you think I'm scum.

no, i don't scum read you.

i kind of think ur just annoyed with me.

fair enough i guess.

part of me wants to review old games of you and me and see how you interacted differently, but i am way too lazy for that right now.

i don't really want to drag this out but you and i got kind of heated when you left the site.

actually, don't comment on that.

Thats going to go down a bad road.

i have been waffling on zach recently, but you know what i am going to stick to my original assessment that he is town.

but i thought you thought i was scum.
if i am scum then i already know ur town.

but i thought you thought i was scum.
if i am scum then i already know ur town.

That just means that you passed the assessment by default.

just like high school.

i don't really want to drag this out but you and i got kind of heated when you left the site.

Life throwing curve balls at you + heated mafia exchange can = site leaving.

An ex + Fate = me gone for years. The true test of my evolution will be signing up for a game including Fate.

believe it or not, i had a blacklist at one point.
it had 2 players.

then i got over it and decided a blacklist was fucking silly.
if the player is so toxic they will get banned eventually, i don't need to restrict myself.

go play a game with fate now is what i am saying

Also I don't believe you scumread me fro99er because I have been caught as scum by you at least twice and this isn't how you acted at all.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?

VOTE: Fire

what?

I'll wait for Fire, we need to both post in the thread within two posts to dayvig someone.

who do you want to dayvig?
I was thinking MariaR cause even if she is town she sucks.

maria, hows life?

well don't drink too much.

zach, why do you scum read me buddy?
I want to fix this issue we are having in our relationship

i am trying to mimic my hero, anti hero.
his lower case play style is always a shinning example of best play.

r u insulting my sensei?

good.

can i pocket u?

I decided how I am truly going to have fun this game.

I am going to imitate a person for whole game.
Please. Someone give me a user that I will play as.

Unvote;
Vote: Firebringer

My can lynch list is fine with this. Whatever will get momentum at this point because, seriously, jack all has been accomplished all day.

okay as one of the few people I thought was following the game, you realize i claimed power role, right?

actually that makes me question why i thought toogeloo was following, he is usually always in catch up mode.

Well, if you are going to soft claim with half the votes needed to be lynched, just save us the trouble and full claim so we can move on or call you liarz.

dude, you don't even claim to scum read me how can you fucking possibly take this stance.

"I am going to lynch a pr claim that i don't scum read because Lets make stuff happen"

why do u sr me again?

I dunno, your primary use of lowercase letters this game has given me the wrong vibe.

I can attach an ambiguous motive to your early play.

ohhhh right

You guys realize that if I honestly only claimed scum as scum that's called a trust tell, right?

The level of play here astounds me sometimes.

Gerry really isn't scum tho I'm mad u wrote 8 volumes of info just to vote a ML LMFAO

Stop buddying garry

Im not, I know how to spot MLs

If that's true you should easily be able to tell that Garry isn't getting lynched today without your comment.

Like there's obviously not enough support for a Garry lynch.

There's like at least three people against it and hasn't gained traction each time it's been attemtpted

I wanted to protect andrius cause I enjoy him as a player but I can't deny he has been a scumread since his tammy interaction like 20 pages ago.

His interactions are wonky.
He doesn't know how to interact with me which isn't good sign
And he is playing this game like he is at a fourth grade reading level:

VOTE: Andrius


Sorry buddy, your great but you stink like socks

In not one single post between the two votes is there any attempt from fire to explain his desperado vote, to pressure desperado, or to convince more people to believe desperado is scum. If he truly believed desp was scum, I'm pretty sure there'd be at least one reason for doing so. And then his Andy vote is all superficial reasons. Nothing about Fire's play is convincing me he has any motivation to find scum whatsoever.

He even threw out there that he thinks my read on him is made up, yet thinks I'm town. Then when I challenged him on why a town!me would make up a scum read, he said it's because I'm annoyed with him (which I'm not). I just think he's scum.

[Fro99er]

Andrius how does it feel to write that many words and be wrong. lmao, i'd be embarrassed. I kinda wanna just be lynched so you feel embarrassed tomorrow

This makes no sense. Why would you want to be lynched. If you're town, you'll get to prove he's wrong at worst by end-game.

What do you think of firebringer? What is your reason for voting desperado besides "he's looking for a mislynch?

[Fro99er]

Btw some of the stuff Frogger has done lately gives me small pings but he might just be an awkward poster. From the null pile I feel better about gerryoat and Nos in comparison to Frogger (and Aeronaut is just dead null).

Explain what pings you. I certainly don't think I'm an awkward poster...

[Fro99er]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH BUT I WANT A REASON WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[Fro99er]

Pretty sure both you and Gerry are at L-5

Gerry has Desperado, Nacho, Creature, and Andy voting him.

You have myself, Maria, SAD, and Toog

[Fro99er]

So Gerry is probably the town counterwagon to scum fire.

[Fro99er]

It might even be a really weak 12v4v1 and you can add frogger too

WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[Fro99er]

1 person on my wagon has a vendetta against me

Once again you are making up bullshit about why I'm voting you. I have no such vendetta against you.

[Fro99er]

idk about fire, he's the type to kill himself as town or scum. I feel like he's just disinterested. In which case I'm fine rolling the dice.

Ew.

[Fro99er]

Maybe I'm wrong about Fire and Nos is scum?

[Fro99er]

I think Gerry is town. SAD is town.

Andy, Fire, or Nos i'm considering today.

[Fro99er]

Dude, I really have nothing against you.

[Fro99er]

idk about fire, he's the type to kill himself as town or scum. I feel like he's just disinterested. In which case I'm fine rolling the dice.

Are you reading my latest posts?

quite frankly no. Although you're not spamming like I usually see in your town games which is why I thought you might be disinterested.

Are you kidding me? Dude has the 2nd highest post count and like 80% of it was shitposting until the wagon formed on him.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Nosferatu

I might have been wrong on Fire, and Nos usually isn't this lackadaisical with his reads.

[Fro99er]

um, nos im reading nos as one of the most focused players in the game

I'm not getting that vibe at all.

Normally I see him make much more pointed...points, and I feel like his case on firebringer is pretty terrible (it's literally "I think he's disinterested so I'm ok rolling the dice").

[Fro99er]

Actually, maybe I'm wrong. 1467 is pretty good from Nos and 1468 is the kind of sarcastic yet pointed posts I see from his town game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fire

[Fro99er]

Man you switched that read on a dime

I sure did. Pretty indicative of my town game.

[Fro99er]

???

so did you read nos' posts when you said his reads were lackadaisical or...?

Sort of.

Between my posts 1418 and 1478 I was away for about 16 hours, which is a long time for me. I skimmed through most of it and the latter posts of Nos' near the end caught my eye because it was about fire, whom I was voting at the time.

[Fro99er]

Man you [Fro99er] switched that read on a dime

UNVOTE: Fro99er

I've been on a bad vote.

What changed your mind so quickly?

[Fro99er]

Sorry, I had a date last night. Today I was running fever all day and home with my sick kid.

I also had a date.

Dates are yummy.

Good for the digestive tract.

[Fro99er]

I had a date once.

I'm sorry for your loss

[Fro99er]

I was talking about in this game

[Fro99er]

i don't get what u mean

I mean you're scum and you're gonna lose

[Fro99er]

GUYS I THINK I JUST OUTSARCASMED FIRE

NOT WAAAAAHHHHHH

[Fro99er]

damn.....you beat me on two levels bro.

See now THAT was my vendetta settled

[Fro99er]

I think everyone lost interest in this game.
They did their laundry then forgot to fold it

Laundry is for weekends

[Fro99er]

lol

VOTE: Andrius

[Fro99er]

P-sure that's 5 on Andrius but don't hold me to it.

[Fro99er]

20 pages while I went out drinking last night? Ugh.

Hangover ketchup

[Fro99er]

nachoman...hang in there please, if you can

things can likely turn around

This

Nacho made me like mafia

[Fro99er]

Why do I want Tammy lynched? Andrius is my top TR. Her attack on him makes her my top SR.

VOTE: Sly

[Fro99er]

I like this playerlist

Sly still hasn't given a legitimate reason for wanting Tammy lynched, btw

[Fro99er]

naah, gerry is town.
id bet money on it in vegas right now.

It's even money at the Westgate.

I can go place a bet for you (I live in Vegas)

Jokes aside, I think gerry is town

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Creature

[Fro99er]

Hey, you're also technically lurking.

[Fro99er]

Creature, come with me if you want to live.

Creature is already voting sly if that's what you mean

[Fro99er]

From my wagon, SAD and Firebringer are town, not sure on frog, Pine's opportunistic there. Am I missing some vote?

Explain why. On all four of these reads.

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

[Fro99er]

@mod can we get a VC

[Fro99er]

did creature claim?

[Fro99er]

So Creature is a calm version of ika?

[Fro99er]

I have some bubbly if that counts

[Fro99er]

drunk yesterday, high tonight.

life is great

Yesssssss