Why the heck are you not?In post 503, Titus wrote:Not voting Nancy.
Taking note of how easy it is to derail EL without a claim.
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Hey look I found another one!In post 523, nancy wrote: It's not very common, but Town thoughttheycaught a scumslip, which aren't very common either.-
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It's not common (or shouldn't be) and I would advise against flashwagoning close to the deadline as a general rule because that rarely hits scum. (Sometimes even hits PRs such as here to the flip here)In post 521, EccentricLemon wrote:I'm kind of weirded out by how dramatically the votes have changed in so little time. I fully expected to come back to see myself lynched. Is this a common thing or is this particular to the game?
That said, I do believe nancy slipped knowledge of the setup more than she should know, and I don't believe she's our last PR (bowdown also pointed out supporting evidence to my initial evaluation of how a jailkeeper would handle that).-
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yeah, given that nancy is not the jailkeeper, I think that's a slip
intent to hammer nancy
I'm not sure how much time we really need left for today but I'll do it in either 2-3 hours before I go to bed or ~10ish or so hours when I wake up. So everyone get your last words in now if you got em"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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If you're maf it seems pretty convenient to townread and defend the one person (EL) who is most easily directed, and to lead a flashwagon on me when I "scumslip". Your play in leading the wagon has been uncharacteristicly aggressive and it comes when Lemon was on the verge of being killed. Motive: either saving your partner or saving the person who would be a valuable tool down the track, and getting rid of a player (nancy) who shares thinking styles more with the two people who seem to be opposing you most strongly (Titus and Revan). Your meta read of Titus isn't really valuable because it could easily be you as mafia biding your time and laying the groundwork for a future push.In post 425, JaeReed wrote:nancy, we don't have time at this stage to flashwagon. There's a reason I defaulted to one of Revan/EL. Please choose whichever of these you feel is more likely to flip scum at this stage.-
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on this, pushing a contrived case is something I find universally scummy regardless of who the player is. Someone advocating for what looks to be a faked scumread is just about the best scumtell there is - almost by definition, as it is what separates town and scum. Maybe Titus behaves this way as town, but if she's town here I'm not seeing any indicators of it yet.In post 474, JaeReed wrote:
Guilty... True or false:In post 455, GuiltyLion wrote:This is a scumcase. It's fake, illogical reasoning. They're all huge assumptions independently, and being used together in a way that no townie would push with genuine intentions. If we're flash wagoning anyone today, it's Titus.
Titus makes assumptions and tunnels based off said assumptions as either alignment.
And I've definitely seen her tunnel as scum for nitpicky semantic bs, in Town of Helen she got into a long drawn out battle with (town)SilverWolf over SW calling her "scum" in a past game when she(Titus) was actually a "Serial Killer" in that game, and the whole argument was reachy and contrived (I linked here to the dual ISO). This thing about EL "bussing" me is pinging me the same way, like she saw some awkward phrasing she could riff on and then coasted on that for today, when the actual argument underneath it is incredibly weak."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Congrats! You struck gold! Though it's actually indicative of me thinking from an objective, third person-y perspective.In post 526, bowdown wrote:
Hey look I found another one!In post 523, nancy wrote: It's not very common, but Town thoughttheycaught a scumslip, which aren't very common either.-
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Your argument is just as flimsy as you claim Titus' to be. If I were mafia, I would have claimed Jailkeeper. No question. This whole bandwagon against me is an opportunisitic farce, and you're all selectively interpreting evidence to suit your blind push of me.In post 528, GuiltyLion wrote:yeah, given that nancy is not the jailkeeper, I think that's a slip
intent to hammer nancy-
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@GL Fair enough. My current thought is that Titus not pushing to advance the gamestate in any way means she's scum. Even with being busy irl I feel like she would have made a decent post to get content flowing rather than sit on her haunches with the EL scumread and push. She hasn't tried to real-time engage as much as I feel she normally would. I just really don't know how much of that is RL being busy to know if I did pick up her scumtell. It could be that it's a mixture of alignment and RL being busy, or it could just be that RL is busy fullstop and there wouldn't have been a real difference on that front regardless because of it.-
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If you're town (which I very much doubt at this stage but we'll see with the flip either way) the best thing you can do right now is try to find who you believe is interacting with your wagon in a non-genuine way. Give a reads list based off that, with a summary of why the reads are that way for people to look back over the next day. Everyone on your wagon can't be scum. There's 2 scum in the game at most. Find the ones you believe are genuine in their push, and the ones you believe are being opportunistic.In post 533, nancy wrote:
Your argument is just as flimsy as you claim Titus' to be. If I were mafia, I would have claimed Jailkeeper. No question. This whole bandwagon against me is an opportunisitic farce, and you're all selectively interpreting evidence to suit your blind push of me.In post 528, GuiltyLion wrote:yeah, given that nancy is not the jailkeeper, I think that's a slip
intent to hammer nancy
The way I've seen it you've slipped then really messily tried to cover your tracks.
If you're town then that was a really unfortunate use of wording and I promise I'll look into your reads if I survive to tomorrow to see if I agree/disagree on any of those with the flip.
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After going through Titus' ISO, I don't find your case against her convincing. She has been passively scumhunting all game and has apparently not seen anything to change her opinion of Lemon or GL. That's called conviction, not scum. People have at various points disliked her for tunneling Lemon since early in the game, but they've also disliked me for adapting too swiftly to new information (not just recently), so it seems like people are just picking and choosing what they want to pay attention to. Anything outside the norm is scummy.
Revan you were initially scumreading Jae - can you elaborate on that please? If not today, tomorrow. I dislike their recent behavior and at times I also got pings from them but I didn't think much of them because most of their content seemed so pro-town.-
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Titus doesn't passively scumhunt unless she's scum or busy irl.In post 536, nancy wrote:She has been passively scumhunting-
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I've been doing that, and I think one of them is you. The other would be bowdown, who I've had a weak scumread on for most of the game. I've never voiced that read because I keep second guessing myself into thinking that I just dislike their personality/posting style, but maybe there is something to it. Revan is an obvious one to look into. I stand by my refusal to join that wagon based off only a portion of a day's worth of content when - I'm sorry I don't know how to say this any other way - his ego is making him seem automatically scummy, but his content absolutely sucks. GL is careful and smart and his hammer doesn't imply anything about his motives or alignment, but I think he's scum.In post 535, JaeReed wrote:If you're town (which I very much doubt at this stage but we'll see with the flip either way) the best thing you can do right now is try to find who you believe is interacting with your wagon in a non-genuine way. Give a reads list based off that, with a summary of why the reads are that way for people to look back over the next day. Everyone on your wagon can't be scum. There's 2 scum in the game at most. Find the ones you believe are genuine in their push, and the ones you believe are being opportunistic.
In order of strongest to weakest read:
Scum: GL, Agent Sparkles, Revan
Not-town: bowdown, Titus, Jae
Town: tojam, EL
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(sorry if I sound short I just realized I didn't do the work I had to do today so I'm rushing to do that <3 nothing against you)-
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I can't speak for her but I'd say it's because she has a good enough read on me to disbelieve that it could've been a genuine scumslip, and because her primary scumread may have slipped knowledge of me being town.In post 525, bowdown wrote:
Why the heck are you not?In post 503, Titus wrote:Not voting Nancy.
Taking note of how easy it is to derail EL without a claim.-
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