Really? I thought she was the person that brought the idea forward in the first place.In post 1973, Gamma Emerald wrote:She's not the one mentioning it over and over, so no.In post 1972, Alisae wrote:Do you think it's read dodging coming from Titus?In post 1970, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah, the SK talk feels like read dodging from ssbm.In post 1967, Alisae wrote:So me being SK is potentially a bunch of bullshit to you?In post 1966, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Ali is scum regardless of Lapsa's alignment. I think Titus is town regardless. Elbirn was wagoned by quite a few SRs so I think he's town regardless.In post 1965, Nero Cain wrote:In hindsight,MAYBEyou could argue that Titus was voting Lapsa b/c she thought it was scummy that Lapsa didn't like masons/the fake mason claim but it still seems skin deep and opportunistic. Both Elbrin and Alisae votes were blank sheep votes. Ali later claimed that she voted Lapsa b/c he seemed anti-town. I really don't feel like my Titus vote was bad as I didn't like any of them.
If Lapsa flips town how would it change your reads on those 3 slots?
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Hey are you ignoring my posts on purpose?In post 1970, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Yeah, the SK talk feels like read dodging from ssbm.In post 1967, Alisae wrote:
So me being SK is potentially a bunch of bullshit to you?In post 1966, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think Ali is scum regardless of Lapsa's alignment. I think Titus is town regardless. Elbirn was wagoned by quite a few SRs so I think he's town regardless.In post 1965, Nero Cain wrote:In hindsight,MAYBEyou could argue that Titus was voting Lapsa b/c she thought it was scummy that Lapsa didn't like masons/the fake mason claim but it still seems skin deep and opportunistic. Both Elbrin and Alisae votes were blank sheep votes. Ali later claimed that she voted Lapsa b/c he seemed anti-town. I really don't feel like my Titus vote was bad as I didn't like any of them.
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Ok, I'm caught up for the most part. I skimmed here and there, but it took an hour and a half to go from page 50ish to 80, so I feel like everyone skims in this game.
A couple people moved up/down my reads list, and for different reasons.
Scummiest players: Nosferatu, Lapsa, Lil Uzi, ssbm_kyouko
Nosferatu: lurking badly, yet only a couple of players have even mentioned Nosferatu all game. Scum lurkers tend to not be called out on D1, since obviously town forget they exist, and scum don't want to draw attention to it. It's 80 pages though. Lurking at this point is beyond ridiculous. I caught up 30 pages and haven't seen a Nosferatu post for ages. I honestly can't remember one, but they've never been prodded. This is a player that needs to be on people's radar.
Lapsa: I don't like the flip flopping, the lack of honest content, or the general feel I get from them. Lapsa could be just sarcastic town, but I can't name a time that he's ever truly tried sorting anyone. He called me 'Not touching: town' as Cloud pointed out, but voted me when my wagon looked a sure thing. He never gave a reason for it either, which I don't like.
Lil Uzi: General vibe I get from them, but I don't see Uzi as truly attempting to find scum. He's largely sheeped other opinions until very recently, and it just feels like the classic 'trying to skate by unnoticed' scum play rather than anything sinister. It's not a great case by any means, but I find him scummier due to that than I do Alisae. I see them as largely the same player, but Alisae I know is new. Lil Uzi isn't, so there's less excuses there. Aside from that, nobody has legitimately called him into question the way they have with Alisae, saying she's an SK or Traitor or Survivor... A lot of bad claims for D1. They never tried this with Uzi, and I don't really know why.
Ssbm_kyouko: I flip back and forth with him... His play doesn't seem the same as what I know townie ssbm does. His conclusions and reads seem off as well. The thing that flips me is that he genuinely seems to be trying. I don't agree with his theories or conclusions, but he's at least giving them. That's far more than I can say about the above three players.
D1 lynches are a crapshoot, but I'm okay with a Lapsa lynch. I'm also ignoring Titus here (I still think she's scum) for reasons. It derailed the thread too much, so I'll let it get sorted another day phase. I don't like the Titus/ssbm 3rd party talk about Alisae though. Town shouldn't be worried or care to sort a 3rd party on D1. We don't know if there is one or not. Scum would want to find a traitor, but why mention SK? If you need an SK for your l D1 theory to work, perhaps you shouldn't have a theory and just lynch scum 1 at a time.-
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If closer to deadline, I'll give intent. I don't have intent right now though. There's no reason to end the day yet.In post 1984, Alisae wrote:Tywin read on me?
And I assume you like the Lapsa wagon? Why don't you have a seat or intent to hammer (assuming Elbrin takes the L-1 seat)?
Idk about you, but you've gotten more flak than Uzi has, which is what doesn't sit well with me. Uzi has largely been ignored or placed in 'null' reads by my SRs, while you've been talked over as an SK, traitor, survivor, etc. It seems really off to me. Nobody talks about SKs prior to D2. That's just weird. Without multiple NKs, why would anyone assume it at all? It's day 1. I just don't like it. I view you and Uzi as largely the same player so far, yet Uzi gets a pass?-
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I've tried that with Uzi, it's in this spoiler, you might've missed it while skimming. Also you're probably not dropping down my reads list anytime soon, more likely to go up from past couple posts.In post 1983, Tywin Lannister wrote:Lil Uzi: General vibe I get from them, but I don't see Uzi as truly attempting to find scum. He's largely sheeped other opinions until very recently, and it just feels like the classic 'trying to skate by unnoticed' scum play rather than anything sinister. It's not a great case by any means, but I find him scummier due to that than I do Alisae. I see them as largely the same player, but Alisae I know is new. Lil Uzi isn't, so there's less excuses there. Aside from that, nobody has legitimately called him into question the way they have with Alisae, saying she's an SK or Traitor or Survivor... A lot of bad claims for D1. They never tried this with Uzi, and I don't really know why.
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In post 1988, Gamma Emerald wrote:wat
watIn post 1987, Alisae wrote:Tywin, do you feel as if Kyouko on a scum team specifcily with Kyouko or not?-
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Edited. 4am. Need to sleep, probably am not going to sleep anyways.In post 1990, Tywin Lannister wrote:In post 1988, Gamma Emerald wrote:wat
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I honestly haven't and won't look for scum pairings this early. Without a flip of one of them, there's really no point. It's one of the major gripes I had/have with Titus. It's just pointless to look for pairs and tunnel the game into theories that make no sense. That's why I believe she even put you as the 'SK' on D1, because you don't fit well in her scum pairing theory. Kyouko running with it kind of also points out why pairing anyone on D1 doesn't work. I've always thought it best to find one scum first, at least in large games like this. Find the first one before worrying about more.In post 1991, Alisae wrote:
Edited. 4am. Need to sleep, probably am not going to sleep anyways.In post 1990, Tywin Lannister wrote:In post 1988, Gamma Emerald wrote:wat
watIn post 1987, Alisae wrote:Tywin, do you feel as if Kyouko on a scum team specifcily withLapsaor not?
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I remember me having a connection atleast. I'll revisit this once I get some sleep and see if I can find said connection.In post 1993, Tywin Lannister wrote:Do you have any specific connections between Lapsa/Kyouko though? That's worth looking into regardless, but if it's just Kyouko not voting Lapsa, I don't see a problem with it right now.-
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It's a feeling, and I'm also lazy enough (plus sick) to not go back and find every post that struck the same cord for me, but it's mainly the lack of real conviction on anyone, the flip flopping on me, Titus, etc. You both generally seem to want to make everyone happy. It's not just an Alisae thing. There's more to it, but that's the basis of it. Alisae got called an SK/traitor/etc for wanting to please everyone, while you got called null/null town for doing much of the same IMO. I'm not sure why you've been given a pass here.In post 1992, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Hey Ty! Good to have you back in the fray.
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Pine is a really weak read, mostly have them there because they were voting Lapsa early so it's like my sonia read, based on a preflip association with Lapsa. I've got a gut read on Nosferatus, could go up or down when they post, but I'm pretty sure they're town.In post 1989, Tywin Lannister wrote:So I like your reads list for the most part Kyouko, but why is Pine/Nosferatu in as null town? Have they said anything that would make you lean town, or is it just not knowing where to place them due to extreme lurking?
Also I'm voting Lapsa now, decided to let Alisae off for now but I'll be back to her another day probably.
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pedit: LUVs been given more of a pass because he's more going with the flow than blatantly buddying so it isn't as noticeable. Not saying he hasn't been buddying a couple of players like Titus/Alisae but her buddying is just egregiousIn post 1982, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:What's the issue that you have then? Let's resolve it.-
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I want you to give a solid assessment of Alisae, all on your own.In post 1982, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:What's the issue that you have then? Let's resolve it.<Embrace The Void>
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The Alisae thing was an attempt at having in-thread mason like thing I saw someone once do with my own twist on it. What I'm doing with Titus is not buddying. I thought my post about VCA showed that.
I just told people to stop giving reads list when everyone wanted to suddenly do them. I'm not trying to please anyone.
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