Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[Raskolnikov]

Normally that kind of thing would make someone reconsider, but not cloud I think.

[Raskolnikov]

I don't know how as a replacement havingfitz adopted usual reads (no doubt on jaack, cloud, tr me) before he had time to read most of the game.

His skim/catchup post is essentially VCA, but I think on the most basic level any amount of VCA would probably point to me as per the sotty wagon, all-town scum lynches being pretty rare and the positioning would be standard. Havingfitz didn't even mention it, and in general his analysis seems to have had an agenda behind it (fitting the facts to the story rather than interpreting the facts). Regaring me, he said he would ISO me later in that original vote/vca post and never ended up doing it, including now, and I don't get it at all how he's forming these views without that. He assumed I was an idiot for pushing what I did whereas I'd personally find it scummy or at least I'd worry about it a bit.

I think he wants to end today without talking about me too much, so that tomorrow he can make a case that's fresh and hard-hitting, and say "well I haven't looked at him much until now, but now that I have...". But if he commits to an analysis or stance now, he has to change that later and be consistent so that's more complicated. It wouldn't be as realistic if you did an analysis on someone townreading them/looking into them before doing the same thing.

[Creature]

Taking a look at the flipped scum, VCA looks useless.

[Raskolnikov]

You missed the point. Actually IDK how you could've have read the entire post and respond <30 seconds anyways, did you just react on seeing "VCA"?

[Raskolnikov]

Nvm, you probably responding to jaack.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually I just remembered, I do have something to ask you creature.

What was that vote on me yesterday about? Before and after that you had me as a townread.

[Raskolnikov]

I think I figured it out.

[Creature]

3220 I sort of townread GM slot and your wagon had more support from Rask/Maria.

[Jaack]

Despite what creature says about vca, I still wanna do some from earlier. Specifically D2, because all scum was alive then.

(I am treating Cloud and me as conftown because reasons)

Hoopla

(4)goodmorning ,

I Am Innocent

, Creature ,

BlackVoid

L-2 ,

Jaack

(4)Raskolnikov ,

MariaR

,

CloudKicker

,

Hoopla

L-2 ,
Creature (2)

VictorDeAngelo

,

Sotty7

,

Sotty7

(1)

Jaack

,
(Editted for formating)

Did Hoopla get to L-2 without scum being involved at all? This vote count is pretty strong evidence that Rask is not scum.

Hoopla

(3)

I Am Innocent

, Creature ,

BlackVoid

,

Jaack

(4)Raskolnikov ,

MariaR

,

CloudKicker

,

Hoopla

L-2,
Creature (2)

Sotty7

, goodmorning ,

Sotty7

(1)

Jaack

,
Not Voting (1)

VictorDeAngelo

,
(Editted again for formatting)

Big change here is gm switching from Hoopla to creature. That too seems unlikely to come from scum (note I still have to review this switch in context). But leaving a wagon on town with three other town on it to join your scumbuddy alone? Seems strange.

Votecount 2.09

Hoopla

(4)

I Am Innocent

, Creature ,

BlackVoid

,

Jaack

, L-2,

Jaack

(4)

MariaR

,

CloudKicker

,

Hoopla

,

Sotty7

L-2,
Creature (1)goodmorning ,
Not Voting (2)

VictorDeAngelo

, Raskolnikov ,
(Guess what, it's edited for formating!)

If creature is town, that would mean that town successfully managed to put Hoopla at L-2 and no scum felt inclined to move? Okay.

I do wanna review the actions between these votecounts, but this makes a lot of sense if creature is scum and not much if either rask or fitz is.

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah I think havingfitz and maria mutually bussed early there to try to distance.

Then maria switched to creature but it didn't quite go through.
I remember around the end of the day, maria said she knew she could vote havingfitz (l-1) and maybe entice jaack to hammer it as jaack said he scumread him more. But she didn't.
That doesn't make that much sense if havingfitz is town but if he's scum I can see why maria doesn't bother doing that (what's the point if one of them get lynched either way?).

[Creature]

Votecount 2.10

Raskolnikov (1)

CloudKicker ,

Hoopla (2)

I Am Innocent , Creature ,

Jaack (2)

Sotty7 , MariaR ,

I Am Innocent (1)

goodmorning ,

Sotty7 (4)

Jaack , Hoopla , BlackVoid , Raskolnikov L-2,

Not Voting (1)

VictorDeAngelo ,

Day two deadline is Friday November 18, 1 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-18 13:00:00)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch!

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[Creature]

aka both scum joined on you.

[Creature]

I think MariaR said she's a busser.

[Creature]

Raskolnikov

goodmorning
Hoopla

Jaack
Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker
I Am Innocent

Sotty7
MariaR

Also, I'll brag about this if havingfitz turns to be scum.

[Raskolnikov]

I remember that switch though. GM said she wanted a hoopla wagon and switched away for no reason when it happened with a null read... I think she didn't want to be on the mislynch?

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah I think havingfitz and maria mutually bussed early there to try to distance.

Then maria switched to creature but it didn't quite go through.
I remember around the end of the day, maria said she knew she could vote havingfitz (l-1) and maybe entice jaack to hammer it as jaack said he scumread him more. But she didn't.
That doesn't make that much sense if havingfitz is town but if he's scum I can see why maria doesn't bother doing that (what's the point if one of them get lynched either way?).

This is in reference to yesterday, I wrote this before jaack's post.

[havingfitz]

I could have used the time.

If you're town why would you say this?

You seriously have to ask this?

I would need the extra time to look over a 130+ page game for more info towards finding scum.

[Creature]

You can tell exactly the posts where the claims were made in a short time but you can't read 146 pages?

[havingfitz]

You can tell exactly the posts where the claims were made in a short time but you can't read 146 pages?

Yes I can read 146 pages. But I haven't. Are you saying me being aware of PR claims after skimming every page for votes is scummy? Are you familiar with how attentive I am when skimming games for votes? Is it out of the realm of possibility that I would notice other things like claims? I didn't notice Sotty's claim. I only realized she had claimed from other players comments after I was done skimming.

[Creature]

Yo, congratz on outing me asshole bg 1-shot and not used, i didnt want to out because i wanted to trade myslef with a clear or investigative role. I didnt plan on outing the affix but i dont trust you to not hammer me just cause i didnt out it, heres the claim i typed earlier today. I also thought about just not posting anymore for a while just to troll you even further but i actually want to win this game and not be banned for trolling every game. To sum it up, i wanted to test sotty and to protect her/clear her etc, imo it was optimal to not lynch her straight away in any scenarios and this is also the reason why i believe she was bussed




Heres my claim without my affix,

I hardclaim bodyguard

- started typing this @ #2423

From another game and havent read titus, i believe that a protective role shouldnt crumb right ? Its not an actual crumb imo in the sens of it but i remember i tried to push the idea to actually test the tracker because Sotty couldve proved to me, i said that many times.

My whole d2 reason not to lynch sotty was because i wanted to be on her that day and maybe try to track outside, if this happened i wouldve crumbed who i was going on [sotty] to possibly clear her and wins a ml since we wouldnt have to lynch sotty anymore because she was virtually scumread by most of the town, that was essentially my plan. Also from slight setup meta on specs, i believe that town masons + track + weak-ish proctective role did made sens since theres over 1 investigative and 1 protective in most setup.

I also wanted to further get reads from a lynch outside the sotty claim because imo it was optimal in every way.

If i was on sotty and i get killed for it, sotty is clear, we win ml, her track is considered true++. I also seriously doubted that i wouldve been killed while not bodyguarding if Sotty was mafia, because i hard defended the shit out of her, not reason ti nightkill me the mason claim.

If the flip outside her was incriminating Sotty i wouldve probably no bodyguard or on the mason claim, idk i didnt actually think too much about it but that was essentially my state of mind.

The reason why i didnt want to full claim is because i expected to trade myself at somepoint in the game with another pr or a clear, claiming here just kill me pretty much and makes me completly useless. As far as meta goes and from em, protective roles should almost never claim.

When sonia said that i was hardtrying today, i even reminded her the game when i got lynched as doc because i didnt claim, that was another soft and she mightve picked it up? idk she didnt push on me.

[Creature]

I've been thinking this over and I've decided to claim. I'm not 100% sure on Rask so maybe I shouldn't be pushing that hard. I'm obviously not going to get lynched but what I really need right now is for MariaR and GM to post reads that aren't dependent on "BV is scum so whoever is pushing is town."

I

need to read

them

and this isn't making it easy for me. The next nightkills are pretty much set in stone and nearly everyone has claimed so I can't see any possible benefit in delaying. Maybe if I reach 3P, I can use that to conf-town myself but that's a long shot so whatever.

I'm a Mason. I, Victor/Arona, and IAI are part of a three-person masonry.

Arona will confirm when he gets back on. So, there you go. Everyone scumreading me make up new scumreads and they better be good.

[Creature]

Okay, you missed the first but not the second, right?

[havingfitz]

What are you going on about Creature? I already stated I saw both of these claims in my skim.

[Creature]

Oh woops, I read "Cloud's claim" rather than "Sotty's claim"

[CloudKicker]

Yea im heavily thinking about whats optimal for tomorow with either kill in mind