Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!

[Kison]

Wolfsbane was confirmed via MOD through a kill. Logically there should be an identical role VS Mafia kills. Sorcerers aren't confirmed yet.

[cicero]

I meant the sorcerors can protect my back if they want. Misspeaking.

If DAS comes up wolf, I will be far more likely to believe your sorceror claim. The fact that I'm on this line of thought at all means I'm backpedaling into believing you. I just can't for the life of me, figure out why the wolves would have kept you alive.

[cicero]

Also I never though there wasnt a sorceror. I had trouble with how you teased out your claim. I figured you were wolves and that either (a) the doc was just a full doc against everyone (mafia only docs have some different names like archangel sometimes) or that the real sorceror (and I assumed there was one) was remaining hidden so as not to be tricked into a claim. You came up, claimed sorceror and then said you could protect every second day. This seemed obviously designed to explain why there would be a dead doc and a sorceror. When pressed you THEN said you were only for wolves and Ooba jumped in to claim the other days.

In addition, you are the lynchpin of Tarhalindur's entire fake claim

AND

you are still alive for no explicable reason.

Can you see why I'd be suspicious, CKD?

[curiouskarmadog]

I meant the sorcerors can protect my back if they want. Misspeaking.

no I dont think that is what you meant, in the same post you said that the sorcerers were bullshit.

If DAS comes up wolf, I will be far more likely to believe your sorceror claim. The fact that I'm on this line of thought at all means I'm backpedaling into believing you. I just can't for the life of me, figure out why the wolves would have kept you alive.

well, who knows why the scum does what they do, but I have a feeling the first part of "today" has something to do with the plan. I think the first 4-5 posts were of the "I cant believe they are alive, they should hang" variety.

No one finds that odd even though the have a claimed mafia waiting to either be hung, or provide information about the wolves.

[curiouskarmadog]

This seemed obviously designed to explain why there would be a dead doc and a sorceror. When pressed you

THEN said you were only for wolves

and Ooba jumped in to claim the other days.

In addition, you are the lynchpin of Tarhalindur's entire fake claim

AND

you are still alive for no explicable reason.

Can you see why I'd be suspicious, CKD?

the bold is untrue. "I claimed sorcerer, THEN claimed I was only for the wolves"? What the hell does a sorcerer do cicero? By definiation I was only for the wolves..here you make it sound like I was pressed to claim further, then I made up the wolves part, which is NOT how that went down.

To me it seems like you would be one of the first people to believe my claim (because you knew that both the wolves and mafia had some player they couldnt kill). So when I claimed sorcerer, you should be more likely to believe the claim(over a vanilla townie), because of your knowledge of your role.

so you are having problems believe ooba and my claims, but I am suppose to believe yours? Well, you claimed before Peers provided his reveal for a is night choice. It is convenient that you cant be killed by mafia, so that if Peers did say your name you already have an excuse. Now that Peers is our informant (or whatever he is) he wont target you. This seems like a convenient claim. Now you are saying the wolves are going to kill you, what happens if they don’t? Can I put you under the same harsh light you are putting ooba and I?

However, there is no counter claim and because it seems like the “power” roles are balanced I am more likely to believe you.

[cicero]

I meant the sorcerors can protect my back if they want. Misspeaking.

no I dont think that is what you meant, in the same post you said that the sorcerers were bullshit.

No I said that YOUR claim was bullshit. Just because I didn't believe in you and ooba as twin tag team sorcerors doesn't mean I didn't believe there was one hidden.

well, who knows why the scum does what they do, but I have a feeling the first part of "today" has something to do with the plan. I think the first 4-5 posts were of the "I cant believe they are alive, they should hang" variety.

No one finds that odd even though the have a claimed mafia waiting to either be hung, or provide information about the wolves.

Scum must lynch scum and nightkill town. Keeping you alive makes very little sense. I'm not saying that you are necessarily the wolves. As you say who knows what WIFOM game the wolves have decided to play. They managed to strike a townie anyway. What I'm saying is quit looking so utterly shocked when your weird claim gets doubted. It doesn't make me scum to do so.

[davidangelsummers]

I cant give you info that I dont have though if I where a wolf I would have, so I could take some pressure of my scum buddy....,good luck everybody...No point me trying to convince a town hell bent on killing thier own. Others tried and failed too..ah well..I nerver lurked..only available weekdays..Please read through some off my posts when im dead and try and see where im coming from. Then please lynch peers...HES scum!!!!!!!!!I Think IH might be a Werewolf and im sure Who me is scum
*poof* and in a puff of smoke he was gone

[WhoMe?]

i'm not buying it. The fact there was no mafia kill last night gives us these scenarios

1) they submitted no target, with the intention of naming someone as un NKable to get them lynched

2) they did target someone, but they have given us DAS's name in stead of the person they targetted

3) they targetted DAS

options 1 & 2 offer no advantage to the mafia, so I see no reason to think thats the situation we are in. You are a wolf DAS, nothing else makes sense

[WhoMe?]

Oh, btw I assume you would have us believe you are a vanilla townie?

[Dead Rikimaru]

The association between mafiusi and criminal gangs was made by the association the play's title made with the criminal gangs that were new to Sicilian and Italian society at the time. Consequently, the word "mafia" was generated from a fictional source loosely inspired by the real thing and was used by outsiders to describe it. The use of the term "mafia" was subsequently taken over in the Italian state's early reports on the phenomenon. The word "mafia" made its first official appearance in 1865 in a report by the prefect of Palermo, Filippo Antonio Gualterio.

THIRD VOTECOUNT

davidangelsummers

(5) - Peers , WhoMe? , cicero , Kison , Kanaga

Kison

(1) - ZONEACE

Peers

(1) - Twomz

Not voting

(5): ChocolateAttack , davidangelsummers , ooba , IH , curiouskarmadog

Needed for a lynch: 7 votes
Negotiable deadline: 27 days

If by deadline no one has 7 votes player with more votes is lynched
If two players have same number of votes lynch is decided by duel[/quote]

[Peers]

IH has not posted since the 14th. CA since the 17th. Can we get prods on them, please?

[Dead Rikimaru]

IH has not posted since the 14th. CA since the 17th. Can we get prods on them, please?

Did earlier today.

[Peers]

Now -that's- service!

[Kanaga]

I still think my vote on DAS is the right one. I agree with WhoMe?'s logic.

[davidangelsummers]

I still think my vote on DAS is the right one. I agree with WhoMe?'s logic.

Why am I not dead yet? in the fine tradition of this town, I shall vote myself..

VOTE DAS

My guess fyi is that mafia (or doc) thought I had a power role or I was a werewolf. I dont think they exspected me to be a plain townie..I was playing a bit cocky and I reckon im right on all my targets so they needed to kill me..Either way they know im not mafia so they are playing with the casinos money..I cant wait to create a forum based on the fact a known scum lynched a townie and a claimed townie let him do it...lol

[WhoMe?]

DAS - so you believe either the mafia chose not to target anyone last night, or they in fact do know who a wolf is, but are gettting you lynched in favor of their known wolf.

This is crap. That would result in Peers being speed lynched tomorrow, which would leave the mafia without their easiest route to lynching their known wolf.

More plausible is your suggestion that you were doc protected, apart from the fact that we don't know if we have one, and if we do he was prompted to protect no-one last night.

If Peers is indeed lying, then I do not understand the mafia's strategy at all, and will be locked on Peers tomorrow. I still believe you are a wolf.

[ZONEACE]

this such a pathetic ploy. putting yourself at -1.

We have no reason to disbelieve peers at this point. He was right about Tar, and it is in the mafia's best interest to LYNCH WOLVES (and vice versa). Lynching townies is far less helpful to the mafia's cause than lynching a wolf. if you aren't a wolf I will be shocked, but if you're just gonna give up we have no reason to keep you around if you are town.

so..

unvote vote DAS

Now onto another note, can we please lynch peers tomorrow. I realize he's a source of information but keeping a known and admitted mafioso alive indefinitely is dangerous. he needs to be dealt with

[Dead Rikimaru]

Busy at work now.
Lynch scene later.
Roles that are allowed to gossip may start now.
Day 6 starts 72 hours after lynch scene is posted.

[Dead Rikimaru]

FINAL VOTECOUNT

davidangelsummers

(7) - Peers , WhoMe? , cicero , Kison , Kanaga , davidangelsummers , ZONEACE

Peers

(1) - Twomz

Not voting

(4): ChocolateAttack , ooba , IH , curiouskarmadog

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Day 5 - All it boils down to

Day 5 is about to end. Even before the sun is totally set the moon can already be seen, as if wanting to peek at the events going on in Nox Hill:

cicero

: So, Peers. There was no Mafia kill tonight. Who did the mafia target?

Peers

: The Mafia tryed to kill davidangelsummers.

WhoMe?

: Well, he is still alive. So he must be a wolf!

davidangelsummers

: That's ridiculous! Don't you see the Mafia is just trying to frame an innocent?

ZONEACE

: I believe Peers, davidangelsummers is surely a wolf.

Angered for being caught in such a way, davidangelsummers takes a leather bracelet from his pocket and wears it. The transformation scene of yesterday repeats itself.
Knowing what happens next, the players don't stay for the full transformation. They gather inside the first house they find.

IH

: The wolf is coming soon. We must block all possible entrances!

ChocolateAttack

: I will close all doors.

Twomz

: I take care of the windows.

Kison

: I will block the basement door.



The players are fast to block all ways in, but what they don't know is that this is davidangelsummers' own house. And he knows it very well.

Kanaga

: What is this sound? It seems to come from the celing.

ooba

: He is on the roof. He will try to get in though the chimney.

curiouskarmadog

: But won't he fall right into that trough full of boiling wat..

davidangelsummers

: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

davidangelsummers had good knowledge of his place, but had a bad memory.
He forgot he had left water boiling to start cooking.

davidangelsummers, werewolf, was lynched on day 5

MOD NOTE:

The flavor in this post is just a humorous summary of the conversations during the game. No alignement and no portion of the setup is revealed there.[/quote]

[Dead Rikimaru]

All actions have been sent, but the game is going to be deleayed a bit due to personal problems of mine.
Sorry, I assure you the game will not die, if I'm unable to go on I will send the backup mod all nightchoices.
More news in a couple of days.

[Dead Rikimaru]

Night 5 - yesXkill

He is a hitman in a mission
He is a beast in a hunt

He never misses his target
He never misses his prey

He calmly waits on a roof, far away from the road
He eagerly waits on a bush, inches away from the road

A person aproaches, unsuspecting of the danger

He locks the target. It only takes one clear shot.
He unsheathes his claws. It only takes one hit.

He carefully considers, even if for a moment, wether it would be better to find another wolf or to kill a power role.
He couldn't care less at this moment if he will kill an innocent or find a mafioso.

The victim reaches the spot

*shoot*
*slash*

WhoMe? never saw what was coming. Neither from a side nor from the other.
He was the thirteenth player to sign up for the game.
Maybe it was just a matter of luck?

WhoMe? , doc (previously nurse) , was killed by the mafia AND the wolves

The Nurse is a healing backup role which usually takes on the duties of a Doctor the night after the Doctor dies.

[Dead Rikimaru]

IH and ChocolateAttack were proded before Night 5
IH responded and is still in the game.
ChocolateAttack ignored it and was replaced by TheHermit.

With 10 players alive 6 votes are needed for a lynch.
It's now Day 6.
Game on,
Play with honor.
DR

[Twomz]

Vote: Peers

WhoMe? got raped pretty hard... but that means there is still at least one wolf alive.

[cicero]

Vote Twomz

I have reason to think he might be mafia (Peers didnt kill him) and reason to think he might be wolf.(posts from yesterday).

I no longer suspect CKD and Ooba, obviously, which makes things easier.

And I'm working on a meta-theory. First person that posts is the scum.

I greatly understand desires to lynch Peers though.

@Peers - wtf did you target Whome for?

Good news for Twomz. This is a pre-re-read vote. Means it is more susceptible to change. But not THAT susceptible.

[Kison]

OK! Here's the thing...

First, we know that the following exist :

~~Anti Mafia~~
1) Doctor
2) Nurse

~~Anti Wolves~~
1) Wolfsbane

Using this, we can draw up some possible setup scenarios...

SETUP NUMBER ONE

~~Anti Mafia~~
1)

Doc

2)

Nurse

3) Sorcerer-equiv
4) Sorcerer-equiv

~~Anti Wolves~~
1)

Wolfsbane

2) Backup Wolfsbane
3) Sorcerer
4) Sorcerer

This setup would require for there to be a minimum of 5 pro-town players remaining in the game from the perspective of a bystander. Seeing as DAS was a Wolf, and there was a Wolf kill last night, there were 3 wolves _MINIMUM_ to start the game. That, logically would leave 3 Mafia minimum at the start of the game as well. That means 3 mafia(min) + 1 wolf(min) = 4 scum(min). 10 - 4 = 6 townies maximum.

6 - 5 = 1 role-less townie.

Possible? Perhaps it is.

SETUP NUMBER TWO

~~Anti Mafia~~
1) Doc
2) Nurse

~~Anti Wolf~~
1) Wolfsbane
2) Sorcerer
3) Sorcerer

Here is my beef with scenario #2 : The Sorcerers, as I recall, did not have to wait for the Wolfsbane to die in order for their power to kick in. As a result, there have were 2 protections going on per night between the beginning of the game up to the time where the Wolfsbane died, yet it was only against Werewolf kills. This creates an imbalance, also because it requires 2 Werewolf kills to eliminate the second protection. For this scenario to work, there would have be a crutch for the Werewolves. Perhaps an extra member?

SETUP NUMBER THERE

~~Anti Mafia~~
1) Doc
2) Nurse

~~Anti Wolf~~
1) Wolfsbane
2) Wolfsbane Backup

This scenario requires that the Sorcerers are lying. This also requires there to be 4 Werewolves(2 dead + 2 claimed sorcerers). Since this setup is balanced, there would then have to be 4 Mafia, leaving a mere FOUR pro-town players left in the game.


Conclusion : If the Sorcerers are lying, there are probably only 4 townies left. If the sorcerers are telling the truth, there is either an abundant supply of protective roles, or an imbalanced setup which may be offset by an extra Wolf-puppy.

This is all theory. Please comment.