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[CloudKicker]

VOTE: rask going back to that until youre decided

[Creature]

Thought I didn't need to say it was four to lynch.

[Creature]

We can't be that away from lynching scum.

[Creature]

2 scum surviving to endgame is still pretty much a tough loss.

[mhsmith0]

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Raskolnikov (1)

CloudKicker ,

Creature (1)

MariaR ,

MariaR (1)

Creature ,

Not Voting (4)

Raskolnikov , goodmorning , Hoopla , Jaack , aronagrundy , BlackVoid ,

Day four deadline is Saturday December 10, 11 PM PST. (expired on 2016-12-10 23:00:00)

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch!

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[CloudKicker]

@Rask, what's there to like about GM's comments on BBT? If you are talking about post #8, there's nothing in there that's an alignment marker. Just looks like an early vote on someone they played with before and hoping that he is town which is something I could see from either alignment.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

This entire post gives me bad vibes:

I actually like what GM said about BBT

unless it's a super catered pocketing attempt.

Also him saying the game was annoying I think mirrors how I felt about people arguing over the dice,

although that's an assumption.

I'm wondering what the likelihood is micheal would issue that PSA #1 as scum, I think very low.

The only issue is the chance he thought of it from pre-game and planned to say it regardless of role pm, instead of just now (makes sense given the circumstances).

No scumleads yet though.

Too many qualifiers. You undermine pretty much all the points you are making.

^not bad, not bad.

I feel like goodmorning is close to finally cracking and going into full meltdown, but consider me voting for Raskolnikov too.

I actually like what GM said about BBT unless it's a super catered pocketing attempt.

What did you like about it?

Not much has happened so far - we need to get a wagon going.

VOTE: Rask

Beggars can't be choosers.

Unvote, Vote: Raskolnikov

Im trying to reread to get better reads and heres a little something, first 4 posts are ppl starting a wagon on rask
BV town
Hoop town
Creat ?
Sotty scum

It looks like sotty is mafia and jumped on a town wagon right ? thats what i actually thought and was my initial impression and i was kinda happy to see something contradicting myself for once, but if you actually read rask's rxn to the wagon:

I liked it because it's what I thought, I had a lot of trouble with

BBT

our last 2 games. One game it took me 4 days to make my mind up on him, but he mislynched me, next game I mislynched him day 1 and got nightkiilled. The caveat is because it's an assumption I would have to later check it again, but it was okay for early.

CK:This is about rask appealing to creature

Ironically, now that I said that and people actually voted me for it, 47 rubs me the opposite way. People won't like me saying this, but fuck it.

CK:sounds fake af tbh ''i know im scummy but pls dont lynch me''

As for the qualifiers point, this is lame but I do think like that. People hate wishywashyness so much though, sometimes I bury the doubts down and just present a simplified viewpoint to make things easier for people. But then again I've been getting nightkilled early in recent games so this might be for the best.

CK: self meta and what not

Of those on my wagon.

Blackvoid

vote has understandable reasoning and I like him thinking that way.

BBT's

makes sense because he'd probably want to sort me based of our experience, but there are caveats.

twoface/sotty is blank/neutral, I assume the "justification" is to get an early wagon going but I can't read into alignment on that so much.

CK: that looks like she doesnt want to go into a sotty read and ingore it along with twoface (who voted 5th). I think this is a farily classic way for mafia to put their partners in a null catergory or unreadable as to avoid drawing attenion and being locked up in a read

I don't like

hoopla

vote justified on association; If you scumread someone enough this early to look at associations, I think you'd keep pushing them instead. 57 is a little ridiculous.

In my own experience I love to push association tells as scum (because it's easy and low-commitment) and people rarely call you out for pushing things on it.

I also enjoy
a) linking a scumpartner with a townie in associations, best case scenario townie lynch makes the scumpartner look better, worst case scum gets lynched and get the townie in return
b) super scumread a scum for strong reasons but end up pushing/voting town for weak reasons
but in this case, although the switch by hoopla from gm to me is weird I don't think that was distancing. I would imagine goodmorning would have fought hoopla back a bit more if that was the goal, instead of voting victor. Same with goodmorning's comment on being annoyed earlier.

Mostly though, the post saying she feels her scumread is about to crack under pressure but she changes vote is absurd to me. You pressure someone and then right when you feel you're almost there, you switch to something like an weak association as town. I think the frustration in 62 is over the top considering she didn't really put that much effort into changing people's minds. Again, anecdotal, but as scum I love to complain about "oh no I have to do this because everyone else" and not take responsibility or effort into fighting against it and changing people's minds (for obvious reasons)... she didn't really push gm with much effort before complaining like this, if you look at the iso.

VOTE: Hoopla

She pretty much talk about hoop, bv and Creature slot a lot but doesnt talk about sotty/twoface. So even if sotty's vote on her (4th) seems like scum jumping on wagon, rask foses the early voters and ignores the rest, imo the sotty and twoface vote were much more scummy -> she avoid outing a read on it since they voted the same for somewhat the same reason

[CloudKicker]

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Raskolnikov (1)

CloudKicker ,

Creature (1)

MariaR ,

MariaR (1)

Creature ,

Not Voting (4)

Raskolnikov , goodmorning , Jaack , BlackVoid ,

Day four deadline is Saturday December 10, 11 PM PST. (expired on 2016-12-10 23:00:00)

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch!

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[Creature]

Rask + ???

[CloudKicker]

Rask + maria/you/jack in order if im being thorough

[BlackVoid]

Creature just doesn't come across as scummy to me. My top guesses are MariaR/GM, MariaR, Rask, and GM/Rask, The last one is possible. We shouldn't discount it. It was interesting that the same day that I spent wondering if GM and Rask were the team that Hoopla presented the same idea. The major thing that makes me think that is GM's townread on Rask.

[CloudKicker]

Also rask isnt pushing on GM hard today and removed her hard tr on creat, leaving room for her to vote outside

[Raskolnikov]

Aside from that they haven't changed.

I'm waiting on something atm but this game is kicking into gear soon don't worry.

[MariaR]

Look I'm not scum I asked you to lynch me the day before but now that you got me into this I wouldn't hard defend a goon of all people to bring attention to me that's just pointless for me to do as scum yes I lynched a town and yes I sr not 1 but 2 masons but everyone makes mistakes and I fucked this up I'm trying my hardest here okay I was re reading and I can slightly see why you team read me with a few people Rask is honestly just town from the games I linked you I am sure of that I still don't see why the gm/me team so much but I wish you'd give me a chance and went with my god dam read on Creature because I'm sure on it.

[MariaR]

VOTE: MariaR get rask tomorow @bv

Joey I'm town I don't know what to fucking tell you.

[CloudKicker]

mariar all the teams points to either 1 of you or rask, so if ure town you should be wrong

[MariaR]

YOU'RE WRONG JORY LIKE HOLY HELL WHY IS GM/CREATURE OUT OF THE QUESTION? :c

[CloudKicker]

They arent but rask is scum and if shes not, ure pushing a world where creat/gm is a thing girl

[MariaR]

You're basically telling me vote my top tr or I die? lol fuck you

[CloudKicker]

Im saying that your reads points at you being scum, so by definition, if youre town im asking you to revise your reads yknow, thats what town do

[Raskolnikov]

Okay fuck waiting.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: goodmorning

Was hoping to get some last info for associations and see how she maneuvers this situation but if I hold off too long it might be too late.

[CloudKicker]

Gm wont be lynched before you rask, if anything maria will go first

[Raskolnikov]

Saying things out loud makes them true!

[Raskolnikov]

But yeah I'm not going to mindfuck over partner right now.
GM is individually flipping scum and I don't feel as confident saying that about any other player.

[MariaR]

Why are MY reads the one that have to be wrong you're acting like just because I got a few wrong before makes all my other reads wrong aswell that's an extremely close minded way of thinking you haven't played with rask like I have joey and you haven't read the games I've played with them I know a hell of a lot more then you do