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[Aristophanes]

I'm gonna try my hand at mafia again, and I just can't believe how many people ran away already!What did you people do to these poor souls!?
I don't have a clue why anyone would replace out with this role!

So, Hi all!

[Aristophanes]

Whoops, I've said too much... :S

VOTE: Fitz
Don't like the sarcasm in the jump on Io. I dislike the vote by Io on an empty slot, but I dislike your vote there more.

[Aristophanes]

Im liking Hiraki so far

What do you like about him?

Tbh I'm not a fan atm.

[Aristophanes]

im sorry i don't want to suck your ego off about your softcrumb that's stupid

i can't wait to hear in day 3 that it was just a prank bro ))))))))))))))))

See, I now like you better already

What makes you suspect it's all just a prank?

[Aristophanes]

town does not come in heavy hinting their PR on their first post

Do you know him enough to say that?

You know me well enough to gauge.
What is your take on all this?

None of this wishy-washy "doesn't mean anything" bullcrap plz.

[Aristophanes]

People who are town: FrankJaeger, Hiraki, Twoface, and probably TwiszTed.

People who are scum: Aristophanes, Lil Uzi Vert

Lol k.
Plz don't tunnel on Town!Me. It would be a waste of a day!

town does not come in heavy hinting their PR on their first post

Do you know him enough to say that?

You know me well enough to gauge.
What is your take on all this?

None of this wishy-washy "doesn't mean anything" bullcrap plz.

I think you're someone who likes to troll. You'd totally do that as any role I feel.

Ya know, I was thinking about how "Reaction Testing" is basically just an excuse to troll a thread earlier today! That said, I'm not that Trolly, am I?

[Aristophanes]

Whoops, I've said too much... :S

VOTE: Fitz
Don't like the sarcasm in the jump on Io. I dislike the vote by Io on an empty slot, but I dislike your vote there more.

What do you mean the sarcasm? All they did was vote. If there's anything to not like, it's the naked vote, and even that is a pretty silly thing to not like seeing as it's page fucking 1

Do you agree with IO's theory?

VOTE: Wyv

Statistically one of those replacements is scum.

So you're saying if 4 out of 13 players replace out of a game chances are one of them is scum. Brilliant.

VOTE: Io

This isn't a Naked vote. What are you talking about!?

I think Io is likely to be correct, but I do not thinl it is a good push for today, as it is a crap shoot as to who is scum, if anyone, among the replacements. Numerically, sure I agree. Logically, I cannot.

Im liking Hiraki so far

What do you like about him?

Tbh I'm not a fan atm.

Why aren't you a fan of Hiraki?

Also, why did you decline to comment on the discussion about you?

I note here that you think it bad that I not mention the shitstorm I started.
See below for a continuation of this point.

im sorry i don't want to suck your ego off about your softcrumb that's stupid

i can't wait to hear in day 3 that it was just a prank bro ))))))))))))))))

See, I now like you better already

What makes you suspect it's all just a prank?

See; this is even worse. Ari is now perpetuating the "I might be a PR, I might not be" narrative; once again, do you see town A) asking more people about this 'accidentally' slipped PR, or do you see town saying shit maybe we shouldn't talk about this so openly

I now note that me talking about it is apparently bad. So which is it my friend?

1) talking all of this shit that's getting us just about nowhere

What makes you say this?

2) you're suspicious of a question

I was too, I think many were

3) "I can see newb town" -> "TVD might be the optimal play for today"

Not mutually exclusive

What are you talking about? They are absolutely mutually exclusive. [/quote]I agree fully!

[Aristophanes]

I didn't call you newb town. I was saying the way you put Ari's RVS post into the spotlight is something I could see newb town doing. I also said you might be the most optimal play for today. Key word is might there. As in, when Day 1 is close to being all said and done, if you're a lynch candidate, you would have the strongest chance of flipping scum.

"You're probably newbtown, but you have the highest chance of flipping scum."

WFT IS THIS SHIT!?

VOTE: Uxi

[Aristophanes]

Oh, ans I screawed up the last quote there. fuck!

[Aristophanes]

Ninja'd
H
Yeah, all TVD Quotes. Shitted up in that department. I'll change it, one sec.

[Aristophanes]

1) talking all of this shit that's getting us just about nowhere

What makes you say this?

2) you're suspicious of a question

I was too, I think many were

3) "I can see newb town" -> "TVD might be the optimal play for today"

Not mutually exclusive

What are you talking about? They are absolutely mutually exclusive.

I agree fully!

Fixed
EBWOP

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes: I believe it was your trolliness that got you lynched in Normal Idea Mafia.

You mean when I was quickltnched despite going along with the idea that I was a Jester??

I really wish I had been. That would have been amazing XD

Point taken though,

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes: I believe it was your trolliness that got you lynched in Normal Idea Mafia.

You mean when I was quickltnched despite going along with the idea that I was a Jester??

I really wish I had been. That would have been amazing XD

Point taken though,

Or was this a different game? I get lynched a lot for bad reasons

[Aristophanes]

I didn't call you newb town. I was saying the way you put Ari's RVS post into the spotlight is something I could see newb town doing. I also said you might be the most optimal play for today. Key word is might there. As in, when Day 1 is close to being all said and done, if you're a lynch candidate, you would have the strongest chance of flipping scum.

"You're probably newbtown, but you have the highest chance of flipping scum."

WFT IS THIS SHIT!?

VOTE: Uxi

Please reread. That is not what I said.

Reading up atm.

I read a few posts of yours whioch all have this same contradictort feel though.

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes: I believe it was your trolliness that got you lynched in Normal Idea Mafia.

You mean when I was quickltnched despite going along with the idea that I was a Jester??

I really wish I had been. That would have been amazing XD

Point taken though,

That was Great Idea
but good point there as well.

Hahaha right!

Hmm...maybe this is my fault after all!

Well said, Gamma.

[Aristophanes]

I didn't call you newb town. I was saying the way you put Ari's RVS post into the spotlight is something I could see newb town doing. I also said you

might

be the most optimal play for today. Key word is might there. As in, when Day 1 is close to being all said and done, if you're a lynch candidate, you would have the strongest chance of flipping scum.

This is what LUV posted btw because I think the votes on LUV are via misunderstanding/poor wording on LUV's part

Point being?
He equated TVD to newbtown, then said he's be a good lynch. If something strikes you as newbtowny, why would that also be lynchworthy? Like, I don;t get the train of thought there.

The wording is also too strong for a

might

despite it being the word of choice. this is where a dissonence between words and intentions comes into plat.

Willing to lynch LUV no problem today.

[Aristophanes]

remember when i thought you were really annoying for that stupid softclaim in the beginning ari?

im glad you took a little break and saw the light

I honestly don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but thanks! (I think)

@Aristophanes: I believe it was your trolliness that got you lynched in Normal Idea Mafia.

You mean when I was quickltnched despite going along with the idea that I was a Jester??

I really wish I had been. That would have been amazing XD

Point taken though,

That was Great Idea
but good point there as well.

Hahaha right!

Hmm...maybe this is my fault after all!

Well said, Gamma.

I'm thinking about adding this to my sig.

I'd be honoured! XD

[Aristophanes]

I honestly don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but thanks! (I think)

its good haha

sorry if i was too cheeky

Haha NP!
I too am too cheeky, so I assume everyone is just being sarcastic

[Aristophanes]

Now, you're coming off as scummy lol ... There is a high probability that you're not scum ... The mod seems to make all the new players(as in the ones who started their account in Nov) all VT ... So, I dont think you're scum ...

...You do know roles are fully randomized, right?

Why wouldnt you scum buss? I do it all the time and

So, not fully new? Good to know.
If this flips scum, watch for bussing.

Just because ... Sometimes you dont need a reason .. All my posts have a meaning and it helps me and not the team ... I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon

Yep, nope.
Can somebody please vig this if we have one?
I'll be forever in your debt (Until the game is over).

That said, Eric votes suck. He's probably VT Newbtown. This isn;t a place to vote ppl.

Ah, I see the conversation about role randomization has been had already. Damn.

KP is kill post

This clarifies nothing...

@Ari...do you dislike all use of sarcasm or just the
particular sarcasm used with my Io vote? And why use "jump on Io" to
describe what to me seems like a normal vote. Is every vote placed a
"jump" on someone?

Just the way it was done there. And no, it depends on the way a vote is done as to how it is perceived.
However, it is less relevant atm. I may revisit it later if need be.

[Aristophanes]

Gamma actually explained what I meant quite well. Not sure how you guys are misunderstanding anything but it happens I guess.

Iunno, try me again

tomorrow

Wednesday (school tomorrow) when I'm not drunk..

Yay new sig piece!
Now it's spoilered tho.

Yeah, I keep mine to 3 lines since that seems to be all it can take.
Just edit my quote onto one or two lines and it should show up fine

[Aristophanes]

VC

Lies!

[Aristophanes]

Yeah that was odd. A part me thinks she doesn't feel like likeshe'll get along with many of the players here but that's just based on my last game with her.

well I get that, I don't really like a lot of the players in this game

I think everyone here is cool and has potential!

Also, dammit House! Shoulda just accepted the ban and come back when the time was right

[Aristophanes]

Alright Deer!
Sleep well!

I expect some content in the morning doe. No passing the buck!


Caribou.

[Aristophanes]

And I refuse to preform MQs

What are MQs?

Multi quotes.

[Aristophanes]

LMFAO!
Mason claims at L-2 on D1!?

Wtf even is this game!

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?

I asked for a partner claim because if there is no partner we have caught scum.

But ideal play is to let one of them die at night.

If someone else flips Mason, he is confirmed town. If he flips Mason, we have what is essentially an IC waiting to claim left over.

This way we gat neither. Literally no benefits to having Masons if they're out in the open.

[Aristophanes]

what kind of mason fakeclaim (assuming me and LUV are part of a scumteam) doesn't have a partner prepared tho

Also, this.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Gemerald
(Yes, I do this just to bug you)

I dislike the immediate demand for a partner claim. That is not good play and benefits scum.

Creeps, why are you not buying the claim?

Never do. Ever. I once doubted a proven jailor claim on TOS. I don't trust.

Lack of trust is as bad as too much trust. Caution is required for proper play, but this goes a bit far man! Link, town has to work together and form trust networks to win! Trusting nobody is arguably antitown.

Why the vote on Eric?

[Aristophanes]

Hello - At work, catch up later.

Oh Em Gee! =D

[Aristophanes]

Who's up for a Fitz lynch today?
His arguments against people are horrendous, and I know he's better than that. I mean like "You voted a Mason before they claimed! You must be scum!" doesn't even make any fucking sense!

VOTE: Fitz

[Aristophanes]

Yo Creeps, if you're going to refer to a long post just to day one thing, can you like, not we quote it? And if you do, spoiler it?

Thanks.

[Aristophanes]

Day is a noun. Not a verb.

lol clearly he had a typo.

Indeed. I am one of said phoneposters, thus my request. It also jumbled my words at times.

Day = say.
Also "we" isn't supposed to be before the word "quote." I guess you didn't notice that one though.

If I were more petty, I'd vote you right now. I might anyway. Just not night now.

[Aristophanes]

I'd be down

[Aristophanes]

We found some OMGUS.
The only reason I am actually voting you is that you haven't told me who you are. As such I can't use meta to towns advantage. Pleased state which player you are now. Thank you.

You do know that some people make secret alts yo get away from bad, stale, overdone, or negative meta, right? Harping on this is bullshit and your vote is bad.

Please be better.

[Aristophanes]

All good! Hopefully it's nothing serious. Network issue?

[Aristophanes]

We found some OMGUS.
The only reason I am actually voting you is that you haven't told me who you are. As such I can't use meta to towns advantage. Pleased state which player you are now. Thank you.

You do know that some people make secret alts yo get away from bad, stale, overdone, or negative meta, right? Harping on this is bullshit and your vote is bad.

Please be better.

Nope. He hasn't been on mafiascum. I commonly play on the supercell forums and ,while stalking queues, found a link to there in one of his posts.

Okay, so you know who he is then?
Because nobody gives a shit anymore. Did you find his meta? If so, good. Now use it if you need to, and move on to actual scumhunting. If not, just stop. You are derailing the game and essentially just fluff posting.

Like, why are we still talking about this? Instead, tell me who you think is scum and why.

[Aristophanes]

With 4 days left, I will vote Creeps or Fitz only.

Maybe Gamma if I have to.

But this is my pool for today.

[Aristophanes]

Nah it's been inactive for a while.

Has it? Huh.

We are going to end up with a no-lynch at this rate. Not good. At all

We should all consolidate on a wagon to avoid this.

VOTE: Creeps

[Aristophanes]

Like, why are we still talking about this? Instead, tell me who you think is scum and why.

Already have.

Where btw?

[Aristophanes]

I hate all of this.
All of it!

Like, none of what you say makes me not want to lynch you.

[Aristophanes]

Too scummy to be scum, eh?

[Aristophanes]

Meh, PLs have a place, and this is a good time for one. I find if a PL isn't done early enough it ends up being detrimental, and usually benefits scum.

Plus, he has said a enough things I find so scummy that I would be going against my better judgement if I didn't try to get him lynched.

Eric I'm still torn on tbh.

[Aristophanes]

We have 20 hours left and 4 viable wagons. I'll check later tn, but I like my vote where it is. Hiraki doesn't feel scummy to me.

That's all I have time for atm.

[Aristophanes]

The 4 is a 2



Apparently I can't do numbers...

[Aristophanes]

Still got dueling wagons, so I'll check once more in the morning before work, but shit guys, can we figure this out please?

[Aristophanes]

I didn't even see that post O.o

Fine, I'll go make a case or something.

Like, I didn't think there was enough time, and I also thought he had popped in, making a replacement unnecessary.

[Aristophanes]

Alright, so I've Iso'd Creeps and he hasn't done a single town thing yet. He needs to die. If you disagree, please let me know why, because if you can read this Iso and say "Sure, that could be town" then you've played with some pretty useless townies.

I could also be happy with an Eric lynch, but I'd rather see what his replacement can do I guess.

Gamma is meh. I hate his outing of the partners, but otherwise I guess he's aight. Not a today thing for sure.

Fitz I know I scumread and I can't remember why, nor can I be bothered to check atm. I'll vote there if I have to.

Like honestly, can we just get to the night phase? I'm getting antsy.

[Aristophanes]

sure, that could be town" then you've played with some pretty useless townies.

You just described about 1/4 of the registered players on the site.

You honestly haven't played with anyone like that before?

Not to this extent, no.

Or I'm not remembering because they're so damned unremarkable...which is very possible actually.

My point still stands.

[Aristophanes]

What's the end game for creeps if he's scum? He's basically setting himself up to be lynched. You really think scum decided to be completely useless and hope town lets him get away with it? Really?

Yup

[Aristophanes]

What's the end game for creeps if he's scum? He's basically setting himself up to be lynched. You really think scum decided to be completely useless and hope town lets him get away with it? Really?

At this point I would be happy to be scum but at this stage it can get you living till the end. Pretty good as either alignment.

WTF does this post even mean!?

[Aristophanes]

Thanks for the effort. No surprise really. Iirc correctly your suspicions were sheeping TF's crap case. Iirc.

I really don't feel the case for today regardless, so not a big deal atm.

When are we lynching Creeps? Deadline?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: scumdeers

what is your plan if creeps flips town? its a complete waste of a lynch. he is nai lynchbait.

also im voting hiraki what??? i guess that was eric

Should Creeps flip town, I will reevaluate my reads as they will be obviously off-base, and find Scum D2.
Obviously.

And it's not a complete waste if he's antitown, which atm I believe he is at the very least.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Unvote

Need to read the thread and catch up tomorrow. I am at game night with friends.

Yoooooo!

We town together? Let's get along this time!

[Aristophanes]

V/la until Tuesday

@Math, yeah I was town the last time.

[Aristophanes]

Cool, Math is town. I can sleep easy tonight.

[Aristophanes]

V/la until Tuesday

If I do things here I am likely to fail 2 classes. I have Tuesday Deadlines.

I'll do what I can after this, but I like your posts thus far. Solid replace in though.

[Aristophanes]

I'm with Math here.

TF/Creeps/Gamma scumteam where Creeps got the important power role?

Also, yes Crapes, read the game please.

[Aristophanes]

I'm with Math here.

TF/Creeps/Gamma scumteam where Creeps got the important power role?

Also, yes Crapes, read the game please.

Wow that's totally not meshing with Math's words
Math is accusing me of telling Creeps to claim town PR
WHY THE FUCK WOULD SCUM PR DO THAT?

Uhh...because that's how scum avoid a D1 lynch on themselves and possibly goad a counterclaim.

Also, I said I agree with Math, as he is the only person here being reasonable. I then went on to make a coherent scumteam guess based on my reading of the thread.

What makes this wrong? And so what if we come to differing conclusions. Would you rather I become a blind sheep and hang on his every word?

[Aristophanes]

Scum PRs usually claim VT so they don't get CCed.

Not how I play usually, but I guess I'll give you that.

Happy to lynch a VT claim D1 any day!

[Aristophanes]

Did a quick skim and ISO, my vote is still where it needs to be. Willing to compromise on Ari.

Why!?

[Aristophanes]

@Ari: Why is Math town?

He's doing a bang up job at actually scumhunting this game, conversing, and seems genuinely to be trying to win as town. He's probably become my biggest townread.

[Aristophanes]

I'm gonna be on for the hours before dl dw there's no risk of me idling and not being able to change my vote

This makes me worry that you won't be here at deadline...Dammit!

[Aristophanes]

I hope there are funnier people itt

Ouch! This hurts me, right in the history!

[Aristophanes]

I don't like either wagons so I won't join them

Not even to secure a lynch?

[Aristophanes]

I don't like either wagons so I won't join them

Not even to secure a lynch?

I mean if it looks like my vote is needed to prevent a NL, I guess I can compromise but why would I vote people I think are town.

Valid. I can't argue the logic. But if we cannot secure a lynch, we give scum more advantages than we can afford to. So I'd rather be wrong and have a townie flip so we can get info than have no flip and start from scratch D2.

[Aristophanes]

7 hour compromise, as promised.

VOTE: Fitz

L-1 [/u]

[Aristophanes]

^ I suck at tagging...

[Aristophanes]

A Scum Jailkeeper?

[Aristophanes]

It's just about being part of something great, Ari!

=D

[Aristophanes]

A Scum Jailkeeper?

Or fake claim.

Or we're all going to eat our words tomorrow...

[Aristophanes]

I think I'd still rather take the plunge with a fitz lynch, unfortunately. It's certainly a risk but I don't feel good about Creeps as an alternative and I don't think Fitz's mindset lines up with that jailkeeper claim.

mathblade or hiraki are good alternatives. Hiraki lurked his wagon away, and math/fitz pairing makes sense

VOTE: mathblade

We're not fucking lynching either of them today.

Vote someone we actually might be able to lynch for once!

[Aristophanes]

I forgot I wasn't on Fritz.
VOTE: Fritz

L-1 [/u]

[Aristophanes]

"I agree with this"
Changes vote.

You don't lynch a claimed pr day 1 ever

This game theory is flawed, as has been pointed out previously.

[Aristophanes]

We're not fucking lynching either of them today.

Vote someone we actually might be able to lynch for once!

not voting a claimed PR
Creeps and Gamma are town reads

who should I vote for exactly?

not going to sacrifice my principles if I don't absolutely have to.

Then I guess we'll have to wait until the final hour (Unless someone else picks this up and voted, in which case, glad your principles stay intact).

[Aristophanes]

Lynch Fritz TwoFace and I might not lynch you tomorrow.

I love it when you try being assertive! Is cute!

[Aristophanes]

This game theory is flawed, as has been pointed out previously.

it's not theory imo, it has been more correct than incorrect for me.

But basing a lynch off play us so much more important man!

Otherwise scum get to be scummy and then go "Not it! PR!" at the end of the phase consequence free! They can plan for this and use it to manipulate the late day scurry hitting whoever they set up. There are many potential downfalls to this.

[Aristophanes]

Nacho...talk to me. Since you essentially kick started this wagon on me. How am I scum and how am I a better lynch than some of the other candidates?

Granted if town is going to have a mislynches it's better to get it out of the way D1 but I'd like to contribute through a few days at least. It's in your best interests.

Preview edit. Ffs.

I'm a jailkeeper

No way this is town.

VOTE: havingfitz

Very strong

reasons

that I disagree.

<3

[Aristophanes]

Otherwise scum get to be scummy and then go "Not it! PR!"

they do that anyway

but sometimes people play like shit, especially when they are a PR. Just look at the masons this game. both have played like shit. people think since they are a PR they can't actually be helpful like they normally would because it would put too much attention on them. it's crap logic yet I see it all the time.

But this means you give them a free pass to do so, anytime, all the time. That's the problem I have with it.

And if you say "oh well you played badly but I won't lynch you" then the issue of bad play as PRs will never end. You're actually feeding it unintentionally.

[Aristophanes]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

ToeFace*

Misspelling names is rude Math!

[Aristophanes]

But this means you give them a free pass to do so, anytime, all the time. That's the problem I have with it.

And if you say "oh well you played badly but I won't lynch you" then the issue of bad play as PRs will never end. You're actually feeding it unintentionally.

ok whatever. You have your opinions on how to do things, I have mine.

Indeed. I'm not gonna bang thus drum anymore (for now) as we aren't going to come to terms.

[Aristophanes]

TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.

ToeFace*

Misspelling names is rude Math!

you spelled my name wrong also

Indeed! XD



But it's also a comment to Math because I know

he

They are a stickler for these things

Deep, eh?

[Aristophanes]

but you make the most sense as the scum partner, I called that shit ages ago

fitz/tvd (you)/hiraki

> Calls Fitz Scum
> Refuses to lynch Fitz
>> Refuses to lynch Scum.

Guys, TwoFace is scum :O

[Aristophanes]

But I like Math!

And you know that's not an easy phrase for most to utter!

[Aristophanes]

you can like people, but if fitz is scum, math is confirmed partner

Only if you can't read italics. But you will eventually.

[Aristophanes]

Math, that was hilarious!
I'm speaking like this so TF doesn't know we're talking about him

[Aristophanes]

Only if you can't read italics. But you will eventually.

I can read italics just fine, your late jump on the fitz wagon doesn't change anything. if fitz is scum, you are confirmed partner.

"Confirmed Partner" because of a late vote?

I mean, there's gotta be more to it, no? Because this confirms nothing.

[Aristophanes]

Oh fitz is already hammered? Had no idea. Why am I wasting my time here.

See y'all day 2

Math was the hammer. Does this change your outlook on his vote?

[Aristophanes]

Yup, this is a tunnel.

[Aristophanes]

MathBlade <3

Good work G!

[Aristophanes]

Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.

This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Gamma, tell me why this made sense.

Nacho, tell me why it didn't.

[Aristophanes]

I forgot if I commented here. It was probably just filler regardless.

I'll be playing avidly soon.

[Aristophanes]

TwoFace is confirm town for me and Math is a smart enough player to see that as well. Scum more than likely attacked TwoFace and Math protected there.

There is an almost 0% chance this happened. Have you read Math's posts? They were calling him and Gamma the scumteam. If they protected TwoFace, we're gonna have to have a long talk in Post game about crumbling protections properly.

[Aristophanes]

so based on my memory, when I was trying to get fitz lynched Aristo and Gamma hopped on board but hopped off later for the creeps wagon

fitz and hiraki were tied with 3 votes and creeps had 2

havingfitz (3):

TwoFace

, Gamma Emerald, Aristophanes
Hiraki (3):

Lil Uzi Vert, Nacho

, Eric Rasputin
Creeps20 (2): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki

The next wagons were hiraki and creeps at 4

Creeps20 (4): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, Aristophanes, Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (4):

Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange

, Eric Rasputin,

TwoFace

fast forward we have

Creeps20 (5): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, Aristophanes,

MathBlade

, Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (3):

Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange, TwoFace

really getting the vibe that Creeps is the counter to hiraki.

here is the final lynch on scum

havingfitz (7):

Nachomamma8

, Gamma Emerald, Joshz,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Aristophanes, Vedith,

MathBlade

(

twoface

was off the wagon but on it in spirit)
Creeps20 (3): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, FrankJaeger


Josh is eric - i feel he is town, plus his spot on the wagon looks ok to me
Aristo - very possible is scum. hasn't really done much. his vote was very weak on fitz and he tried to imply I was scum with fitz for not being on the wagon
vedith - had some town reads on him early because he was pushing fitz, but then later joined fitz and voted gamma which was a terrible vote


Today I want to lynch hiraki or aristo but would compromise on vedith

I hate it when people colour themselves "town" In VCAs when we have zero proof of it. The claimed masons, sure. But not someone unconfirmed to the rest of the crowd! Also, you pushing that you were on Fitz in spirit sucks.

I have to reread some stuff, but just, eww!

Also, yes I let my Fitz read wane, and it wasn't all that good to begin with. But so what? Had I not switched votes and made him the main viable wagon, I don't think he'd have successfully gotten lynched.

[Aristophanes]

Vote Creeps, Ari!

Just did a quick Iso look and forgot how much I actually want to vote this slot. Also, Fitz comes up 21 times in his ISO, all in quotes of others talking about for where Creeps doesn't mention that part of the post. He once says he doesn't have a scumread on Fitz and that he won't sheep, attaching some digression about shepherds to it.

I'll join you.

VOTE: Creeps

[Aristophanes]

Vote Creeps, Ari!

Creeps is pretty much off the table today given he was the counter to fitz/hiraki

Smart play is lynch hiraki today

Why Hiraki?

[Aristophanes]

you hate it when people call themselves town?

We actually have proof of it though. Fitz flipped scum

No, I hate it when people act as if they are conftown when they are not. The only one who knows you are town is you, so in a public VCA, you should be assumed unknown. Making yourself the same colour as the masons is a bold statement, and coupled with your adding yourself to Futz's wagon "In spirit" despite not being there really makes me think you're trying too hard to convince yourself you are town so you may appear that way.

Yes Fitz flipped scum, but how did this conftown you?

[Aristophanes]

cause he makes most sense to me as scum buddy with fitz

You were already tunneled on him and I haven't seen any progression from you.

plus his posts today are very scummy

Which ones? In what way?

Toy mention him a lot as being scum, but never actually say why. Heck, you only quite him once and have no actual interactions with him today. Tbqh your read and push on him are unexplained and look Hella weak.

[Aristophanes]

Yes Fitz flipped scum, but how did this conftown you?

If this and "because I started/pushed his wagon" are all you have, I think you need to redefine your definition of conftown.

[Aristophanes]

Vedith is town I think. Tone up until the Creeps vote seals it for me, he just seems misguided a bit recently.

If we're lucky Creeps will get replaced and we'll have another active member of the town.

This here be a fine post!

[Aristophanes]

So I;m about 10 pages behind now. Anything I should know?

[Aristophanes]

What a conveniently placed votecount! Who TF is Sonia??
Also, hi!

[Aristophanes]

What a conveniently placed votecount! Who TF is Sonia??
Also, hi!

Creeps

Oh right! That's why my vote is there!

I'm so good at this game...

[Aristophanes]

That was the point of my comme-
you know what, not worth it.
I'm just gonna sit on my bad vote until someone convinces me to vote elsewhere.

[Aristophanes]

Wow, I came off as an ass there. Sorry man!

But really, I don't see a good reason to vote Hiraki.
Why is that a good wagon again?
Can we shift it somewhere else or is it basically decided for the day already?

[Aristophanes]

Not really since you're voting creeps slot.

lol
sarcasm is lost on you ;;


@aristo i guess nacho either knows something we dont or he no longer is confident in his read on you since he has ignored every time ive asked. who are your scum reads right now and why?

I mean, he literally already said it is simply meta. Sadly, I am very easy to meta and it gets me caught as scum a lot. Usually I'm easier to meta as scum than town, but I definitely see his application of it from my earlier gameplay.

As for scumreads, I believe I had had them on Deers and Creeps, but both slots have now changed hands and I have given them a light reset.

I like the Masons, Frank, and TwoFace as town. Hiraki is aight from my read of him, and I think Vedith could be good as well. This leaves Gamma and Josh, with the possibility of Sonia and AJ as my scumpool.

How's that?

[Aristophanes]

That was the point of my comme-
you know what, not worth it.
I'm just gonna sit on my bad vote until someone convinces me to vote elsewhere.

Read you piece of garbage (I don't actually think you're a piece of garbage)

v convincing

I'm telling him if he reads the last 5 or so pages he'll understand what's going on.

I will I will.

[Aristophanes]

Once again, players are strongly cautioned against discussion of ongoing games.

Aren't we all

[Aristophanes]

Walk me through the logic of how him believing new players don't get scum when he claims to have played for 7 years. I think I get what you're going for (he's new, thought new can't get scum, ergo isn't scum) but I'm not really seeing it, especially when he claims to have a lot of experience.

He thought that site newbies couldn't get scum, which is fairly common as far as "other site metas" go. 7 years of experience also doesn't mean a ton of games which is something you should know by now; you should also be able to tell that he's probably a newbie by his play style regardless of what he states in thread.

This is wrong. feels like a stretch I think 7 years hell I'd assume a lot of games aswell it's not black and white and not being able to tell he's a noob are you srs?
idk what you're reaching for but I don't like it

VOTE: Nacho

I have no words.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo, Hiraki, mind voting AJ with me? As far as catchups go, that one was particularly pitiful.

[quote="In post 1611, Nachomamma8"

Wow, I came off as an ass there. Sorry man!

But really, I don't see a good reason to vote Hiraki.
Why is that a good wagon again?
Can we shift it somewhere else or is it basically decided for the day already?

We can shift it. I think that we should shift it onto AJ.[/quote]I agree and shall I'm sure. I wanna read the last 2 pages first at least tho.

[Aristophanes]

How did I mangle the multiquote!?

[Aristophanes]

Aristo, Hiraki, mind voting AJ with me? As far as catchups go, that one was particularly pitiful.

the one he didn't make yet?

i can't atm tbh

What do you think about the reasons I brought up against Deer?

It's also not like he hasn't had time to catch up and yet the only thing he's able to provide is his ridiculous reasons for reading Eric as scum - do you believe a town player here with any measure of competence should be reading Eric as scum for the reasons AJ is?

I know you're better than this.

I'm almost positive you know that I'm finishing up finals. I've stated that in multiple places. That's what's delayed this. It's not me being less here, that's everywhere. I finished them yesterday morning and had assignments for my job (university resident assistant) that required me to do administrative work until this morning at 2am. Meaning now I'm free.

The the is, I haven't really provided anything on josh other than 1.) Don't pull the noob card, 2.) new town are bleeding heart town and 3.) I didn't like eric's early posting.

Guess what? My slot predecessor agreed with this third point. While people called Eric the VI/newbtown, he contradicted that second point himself.

24 hours and the game's completely caught up on.

AtE, Something akin to an ahmished tell, lack if actual content while emplasizing a weaker point. Admitted cell of a lack of case.

Yep, I like this.

VOTE: AJ

[Aristophanes]

You know what, I REALLY don't think Aj can be scum if they don't know WHO THE MASONS ARE. That HAD TO have been discussed in the scum PT.
VOTE: Hiraki

Because scum would never ever just play dumb, right?

[Aristophanes]

Ari, while you're here, why don't you take some time to respond to my post.

But it's sooooo long!
(Alright, fine!)

[Aristophanes]

Okay,so you dislike my Creeps vote. I had honestly forgotten my Fitz suspicions and Creeps was both viable and possible scum. Couldn't be arsed to reread because I've been busy, so I went with what felt right at the time.

Creeps has proclaimed that his lack of avatar is so people forget about him. I hate it. I believe I was making a statement more than anything, but he brought it up in a wah that seemed a tad contradictory to what I had seen him say before. I'll concede that that is a weak point, but meh.
And I pushed it as hard as I felt it. Which was not a lot. But more than the other wagons at the time.

On 1107, I was saying that from a TF point of view. If he believed Fitz to be scum but refused to vote him, he was refusing to vote.someone he felt was scum. It had nothing to do with how I felt about the wagon.

I think that addresses everything.

[Aristophanes]

Oh wait did Ari full claim?

Nope. Why would I?

[Aristophanes]

W8

Does backup bg even make sense?? That role seems awful and I've never even seen a game with it.

We discussed this a while ago, and it both makes sense and has been seen before.

Plus, lynching a BG I'd bad form. He should absorb a kill at night after properly crumbling his target.

[Aristophanes]

Ari continues to do nothing but post mafia theory and sheep.

But is my theory scummy? Have I not been vocal?

I told you Hiraki was a bad lynch, and that he'd flip town. I did not sheep there.

I feel like people are oversimplifying my play here.

[Aristophanes]

Wow, I came off as an ass there. Sorry man!

But really, I don't see a good reason to vote Hiraki.
Why is that a good wagon again?
Can we shift it somewhere else or is it basically decided for the day already?

Not really since you're voting creeps slot.

lol
sarcasm is lost on you ;;


@aristo i guess nacho either knows something we dont or he no longer is confident in his read on you since he has ignored every time ive asked. who are your scum reads right now and why?

I mean, he literally already said it is simply meta. Sadly, I am very easy to meta and it gets me caught as scum a lot. Usually I'm easier to meta as scum than town, but I definitely see his application of it from my earlier gameplay.

As for scumreads, I believe I had had them on Deers and Creeps, but both slots have now changed hands and I have given them a light reset.

I like the Masons, Frank, and TwoFace as town. Hiraki is aight from my read of him, and I think Vedith could be good as well. This leaves Gamma and Josh, with the possibility of Sonia and AJ as my scumpool.

How's that?

Aristo, Hiraki, mind voting AJ with me? As far as catchups go, that one was particularly pitiful.

Wow, I came off as an ass there. Sorry man!

But really, I don't see a good reason to vote Hiraki.
Why is that a good wagon again?
Can we shift it somewhere else or is it basically decided for the day already?

We can shift it. I think that we should shift it onto AJ.

I agree and shall I'm sure. I wanna read the last 2 pages first at least tho.

No you're right. I toootally never faught against that Hiraki wagon.

[Aristophanes]

You said you told me. You never talked to me about it. Only MB when I asked you why you felt he was torn.

Saying let's shift it without any reasons why hardly is putting up a fight.

"I told you" was a general statement meaning I had told the thread. Imma start using "yous" I guess, since this gets confused a lot.

I was trying to work out a different lynch because this one sucked, had no strong reasoning behind it, and was on likely town.

[Aristophanes]

Lol K

This is probably the least productive conversation of the day, so Imma end it here.

[Aristophanes]

I told you is the same as I told y'all or everyone. Okay

I mean, it is...

[Aristophanes]

I told you is the same as I told y'all or everyone. Okay

I mean, it is...

That's like saying tweeting my political opinions to my followers on Twitter is the same as telling you my political opnions in real life.

Not at all.
"You" may be used as a singular or a plural pronoun.

"Yous" "Y'all" "You people" are all things that help clarify the pluralization, but none are required for it to have that meaning.

[Aristophanes]

stopf ucking talking about this

Sorry.

[Aristophanes]

No. He's trying to argue he shouldn't be scum read because he claimed he tried to shift the wagon and told me Hiraki is town. He never did the latter and the attempts he quoted of trying to do the former isn't pushing a shift on anything. Instead of admitting he was mistaken and telling me who he's scum, he rather try to brush me off.

It's not even about the wording, it's about what he claimed to do and what he just quoted.

EBWOP

I thought Hiraki was town. I disliked the wagon. I attempted to shift it.
I thought I had said my read more explicitly, but I think I made it rather obvious even if I didn't utter the exact words that "Hiraki is town" and regardless of who they were intended for.

You're nitpicking hard man, and you're wrong. If you weren't a Mason I'd probably be all over you.

[Aristophanes]

I didn't have a solid argument, but neither did those who opposed him! Like, Hiraki wagon merely was a thing, but it had no reason to be. How can I argue against something like that?

I stated my lynchpool, I voted within it. I attempted to get a reason for Hiraki Scum. I still think I did what I could.

[Aristophanes]

Luv I'm not pushing Aj at all.
I'm pushing gamma got your facts right!

VOTE: Gamma
I just looked at the wagons at the end of the day
you were no where near getting close to lynched.
So what makes you think you're clear.

VOTE: Sonia

Really it's disappointing, but you've been able to provide no decent answers and instead insisted on going for lynch bait.

Decent answers to what I don't think I've been asked anything.
What makes gamma lynch bait to you I can read him pretty dam well

Indeed. Quite.

[Aristophanes]

Hi Aris how are you
What's your reads so far has your sr on my slot gone up down not changed
did you expect that flip?

Hey Sonia!
I'm doing alright thanks, just off to work atm.
How about you?

I would say my read on you gas improved. Much less scummy than Creeps was. In fact, I forgot you'd replaced them!

Both Frank and Hiraki were town and I expected them to flip as such.

[Aristophanes]

May I ask what the creeps sr was for in the first place?
That can be answered by anyone btw

His play was a general yuck.

[Aristophanes]

Nacho, you know me better than I know myself!

Sonia, you're wrong. Masons should give reads and reasons as much as anyone should.

[Aristophanes]

Where was all this the previous day? You didn't do anything but exsist.

There was no real pressure or worry of a lynch until today because we were distracted elsewhere.

Now that there is, he has to produce or die.

So,
VOTE: AJ

[Aristophanes]

He just produced something though. Why didn't you comment on it

I disagree, it isn't really much to comment on, and I dislike the timing of his finally doing something. It feels really forced.

[Aristophanes]

"Finally do something" alright really, buzz off. I didn't waste my damn time making a case on you for you to just pretend it doesn't exist.

Fine, I'll analyse it and shit.

Sorry for being insensitive.

[Aristophanes]

I don't care if you analyze it, just acknowledge that it exists in the first place.

which I have done.

I disagree with your interpretation that "nothing protown" doesn't bridge to "scum". It very easily can and often does. So why discount that?

On the Creeps vote, he was trying to push it as a harder reasoning than it was, not calling it a PL. When reasoned with, he submitted that it was but that it should be no reason to discredit it.

I liked him asking for the claim.

Bad vote switch was bad, but was it a scum buddy trying in vain to save another?

There ya go. I disagreed, had little to comment on, and acknowledged your finally giving of a case.

I don't see what in my original statement led you to believe I wasn't acknowledging it, but here you have it.

Thanks for putting in the work though, that is appreciated!

[Aristophanes]

I really don't know why I'm being such a duck this game, but sorry.

[Aristophanes]

Where was all this the previous day? You didn't do anything but exsist.

There was no real pressure or worry of a lynch until today because we were distracted elsewhere.

Now that there is, he has to produce or die.

So,
VOTE: AJ

He wasn't in danger yesterday. He is now though. You just put him at

L-2

.

I know. But he is being readily considered, thus pressured and possibly in danger.

[Aristophanes]

Merry Christmas everyone.

[Aristophanes]

Merry Christmas everyone.

Make sure you get a healthy amount of eggnog

Eggnog is the worst! It's the drink if Scum!!

Definitely no mercy now

[Aristophanes]

The drink

of

scum**
My bad.

I've never had it before.

I'd advise that you try it, only so you can see the scummy nature of AJ'S comment.

[Aristophanes]

I don't lynch claimed PRs day 1.

Can you provide any evidence of that - awful, awful - policy?

You really need to read and not just look at VCs. Those don't tell the whole story.

Its 80 pages long. Regardless, you can tell me the whole story.

I can attest to this being his reason for unvoting. Though I disagree with the theory, he believes it very strongly.

[Aristophanes]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8413025

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8526212

Here are completed games.

Empking: "I'm not reading 80 pages of this game. Show me where you said you don't lynch PRs D1."
TwoFace: "Sure! Read these other two games and you'll see!"

[Aristophanes]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8413025

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8526212

Here are completed games.

Empking: "I'm not reading 80 pages of this game. Show me where you said you don't lynch PRs D1."
TwoFace: "Sure! Read these other two games and you'll see!"

He asked for evidence of my policy

Ya got me there lol

I also used to have a similar policy, and I still shy away from D1 PR lynches. But sometimes it's a necessity!

[Aristophanes]

I'm 0 for 2 in this interaction. I guess I'll just slink back into the shadows...

[Aristophanes]

What the hell is the case on me

It's just scum being scum. Don't mind them.

[Aristophanes]

Can't tell if King is VI or scum.

He's not that bad actually. Fresh look at the game and some interesting points!

[Aristophanes]

His early posts, yes.

I also have bigger fish to fry than Josh's slot.

[Aristophanes]

I don't see a skillet.

I figured you'd bring your own. I don't have one big enough for such a large fish!

[Aristophanes]

TF is town.

Can do Ari/Emp/Gamma today.

You're actually ridiculous.
Sheep Nacho. At least good reads come from that slot.

[Aristophanes]

I haven't flip flopped anything. Lie more scum.

Will you two just get along!

I strongly get the feeling you are a TvT and you should really both just move on.

[Aristophanes]

Arist - Naco

Your read on me is most interesting. Have I struch you as town or is it just Nacho's case on me that leads you to your townread. It is quite odd that you take no responsibility for your townread on me, and have mentioned it many times.

[Aristophanes]

Nothing wrong with that list

Iunno, I feel it's a bit shitty. But I can't really call out a mason, so...

I can't get along with liars, scum, and stupid people.

He's guaranteed to be 2 of the 3

Emp is alright. He's honestly analyzing the thread and I don't think his casing of you is scummy, even if it is misguided. You are being very reactionary in your responses and I think it is effecting your read on him negatively when he's really not that bad!

[Aristophanes]

So you were trying to stop Having from being lynched day one.

And there's the scum claim.

Ok emp is confirmed scum.

I never said this. I never implied this. This is just flat out scum manipulation

Or just bad and misinterpretation.
I mean, if you two really must 1v1 Imma vote Emp, but I don't see the necessity.

No you never said it, no you didn't imply it. You merely abstained. If you'd fought against the lynch in any way other than calling us dumb for lynching a PR claim I'd maybe believe it, but he seems to have a skewed view of events is all.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo, what about his "case" on me?

Honestly, I'm probably still getting there. This is a wine fueled catchup session before I go out for the night. In case you didn't notice.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo, what about his "case" on me?

Honestly, I'm probably still getting there. This is a wine fueled catchup session before I go out for the night. In case you didn't notice.

I assume the he is Emp?

[Aristophanes]

But lol hammering is the best hammer...

I condone this statement!

[Aristophanes]

Twoface did not make a single decent argument against Having.

Lie

Yeah, he convinced me even after I didn't remember the case anymore. That's gotta be a strong conviction and case!

[Aristophanes]

(Also, ellipsis are the mark of a liar. That's a rule for life.)

...

[Aristophanes]

OMG is it actually AJ & Empking?

The more I read, the more I believe!

[Aristophanes]

He is emp ya

If it was a case worth reading I missed it somehow..

I know Uzi has intent, but I also am willing to hammer after my reread.
Sorry Mr Fish, but I guess AJ brought the skillet after all!

[Aristophanes]

his case on me is basically im an active lurker

So what? At least you've given some content when you're here.

I saw that, thought it sucked, and disregarded it looking for an actual case! lol

[Aristophanes]

This game is actually disappointing.

Was thinking the same about your contributions

[Aristophanes]

I rescind my intent so Nacho can do stuff

[Aristophanes]

Lynching Hikari and getting town should've shown that.

Don't lynch Hiraki! He's obvtown!

[Aristophanes]

A slot starts fresh for me when someone subs in but to answer it definitely outweighs.

It can start mostly fresh, but never totally.

[Aristophanes]

I'm not reading these walls.
If there is something worth noting other than a war based on semantics and full of bickering, please summarize it for me.

[Aristophanes]

Twoface, I was just gonna suggest that if you help us with AJ today, I'd back you up on Emp tomorrow. You beat me to it though

[Aristophanes]

Twoface, Gamma scum.

Stupidass hammer.

Unlikely scumteam.
Yes, dumb hammer (though I liked it for selfish reasons).

And don't you fucking allow him to play 'it's a mistake' as an excuse. There's no fucking mistake when the vote count is two posts above and there are NO unpunishable coincidences in mafia.

I mean, I think that goes a bit far.

[Aristophanes]

So aj is town

Aj, please post last thoughts and if you think Empking is scum partner assuming TwoFace isn't (I intend to lynch gamma before Empking if you're flipping town)

What makes you think he is town?

[Aristophanes]

He was hammered and said he was??? If it's twilight trolling it's irrelevant, his thoughts aren't needed

If it's twilight trolling so be it, but what about it makes you state "AJ is town"??

[Aristophanes]

And wdym? I am assuming he is town because of how he's acting. He is telling us the scum team and who to lynch. He is stating he's town albeit indirectly.

Just wanted your reasoning since I don't see anything pointing to either alignment in post-hammer posts.

Thanks!

[Aristophanes]

@Ari, there's a great quote from The Godfather that kinda mends my mentality for accidents in mafia

...He takes everything personal Like God. He knows every feather that falls from the tail of a sparrow or however the hell it goes? Right? And you know something? Accidents don't happen to people who take accidents as a personal insult.”

I know, I know. It's a book quote, but in a game like this, it's a great philosophy. It's one of the mentalities that makes LAL exist.

I like it! Never seen the movie or read it, but neat!

However, LAL isn't 100%, and an accidental hammer isn't a lie.

I promise I'll think critically and look at your cases harder if you do flip town. We're getting to the point of dire straits if we carry on too much longer like this.

[Aristophanes]

Look at what you're saying. Do you really think scum would be such an easy target?

Bad argument. I'll be critical tomorrow though.

[Aristophanes]

I'll make sure to post full reads when I get home today, which is late but is gonna happen.

We'll miss you!

[Aristophanes]

I'll make sure to post full reads when I get home today, which is late but is gonna happen.

It's twilight btw.

That's what Mason PTs are for!
Uzi will share them tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

Can't say I expected that
I rather Gamma get lynched over EMP but I really don't have a pref cause I don't both are scum.

So...Emp×Sonia scumteam confirmed?

Imma Iso the possible guilty parties, but we all absolutely knew Nacho was dead going into the night. There I'd no way it was a surprise! Couple that with an express willingness to lynch Gamma over Emp despite allegedly thinking both are scum and you have a fucking obvious scumteam!

Will not vote until I can Iso tho

[Aristophanes]

Honestly, I'm with TF here and Emp pushing this shitty reasoning so hard is making me scumread him significantly.

[Aristophanes]

I've had enough of this 1v1.
VOTE: Emp

[Aristophanes]

The want to hammer before my V/LA is quite tempting but I think it'd be nice to comeback refreshed so I'ma head off cya all laters!

Don't wanna hammer your scumbuddy for cred? Ballsy.

[Aristophanes]

Emp is actually so full of it lol

[Aristophanes]

We still have a mislynch left right?

Could everyone else just weigh in? I know this game is boring but the silence is disturbing and ultimately not helpful. If King flips town, who's scum? If Gamma flips town, who's scum?

It be easier if we just had one scum left but we have fucking two. I just want to flip the slot that would give the town the most information here before I die.

1. Just because we have a mislynch available doesn't mean we should use it. If you were in a room with 3 Nazis and had 4 bullets in your gun, and they wanted to kill you, would you waste a shot shooting the air leaving you no chance to miss with the other three or would you shoot the Nazis and keep the 4th bullet in the chamber in case one dodged it somehow?
Obviously a ridiculous, exaggerated scenario, but "lynch the goddamned scum" is the moral here.

2. This game is not boring. I don't know where you got that from. And I don't think the preflip associative theories will be much help. I'd rather figure it out after Emp bleeds red.

3. Flipping scum gives us the most information. See point 1. Also, info lynches at this stage in the game are disgusting and you should feel bad for even suggesting it.

4. Whether you die or not, and regardless of Emp's flip, I'll look into Gamma. But we have to lynch scum today or were in a real pickle.

[Aristophanes]

2. This game is not boring

yes it is.

Oh.
Maybe it isn't for me because I'm working in limited spurts so it seems more is happening?
Ah well, I rescind that point I guess.

[Aristophanes]

It sucks that the list of people left is so potentially scummy, but rather null in it.

D5 will be a struggle.

[Aristophanes]

Remember, bad =/= scum.

[Aristophanes]

Hammer king

W.E I have surgery in 6 hours IDC

I don't think this counts as a vote...

[Aristophanes]

Also, good luck on the surgery!
I hope it goes well and it nothing too serious!

[Aristophanes]

Can someone please just type it properly!?

This uncertainty is not very nice!

[Aristophanes]

Thank goodness

[Aristophanes]

So I'll retire this alt and run a role madness game sometime soon.

Can I use any role? I have a bunch we use in another site that aren't used here?

Oh emp, you were scum right? Your reaction to being hammered isn't what I'd expect from town.

Who is your main? (If the answer is "fuck off" I totally get it).
Use any role, yes. Just make sure you know if they make it bastard or not, and that any nonstandard roles are well explained in the PMs.
Emp is scum.

[Aristophanes]

^^^
These are why games are reviewed first.
Of course, reviewers are option, but a good idea!

[Aristophanes]

I think it's pretty obvious who I am. If anyone ever guesses I'll probably say but for now I won't just cause I may come back to this at some point. One of these days I'll learn to not take these games so seriously

I'm also site at guessing wuch things

I respect that though! You're fun to play with, so if the alt makes a return, that's awesome!

Also, you probably could run the game from the Alt if you let the listmods know your main and that you have the proper experience.

[Aristophanes]

I get them occasionally!

[Aristophanes]

And I told you fuckers it was a god damn accident. Stupid scum emp

Hey, I was with you there!

NK was expected. I'll do some VCA and Iso the dead Scum later.

Nice call on Emp, TF

[Aristophanes]

Things that stood out to me are how he was hard pushing vedith early on in the game, as the game progressed he backed off vedith, and was pushing hard for gamma over vedith when fitz/gamma made no sense.

No to mention an earlier post he made where he said scum/vedith for reasons he'd explain post game. I think those reasons is he's their partner.

Since we don't have to worry about a scum pile on.

VOTE: josh

No. This is scum trying to lynch the obvious n5 nk target.

You're on crack. I caught 2 scum. I'm the obvious nk not josh

Still, get the fuck off Joshz.

Anyone who scumreads TF is legit cray cray.

Like, seriously.

[Aristophanes]

Let me state my intent there more clearly
"You're right you're town I remember you said fitz hates bussing, but J is still a bad lynch"

Why is Josh a bad lynch then?

[Aristophanes]

You even didn't hammer properly and probably didn't realize the mod had a special rule.

This is 100% a great starting point for the scumread.

For other reasons, I will have to do that VCA/ISO thing I promised for within the week.

Why do people always demand cases so quickly!?

[Aristophanes]

aristophanes, why is josh!scum?

For other reasons, I will have to do that VCA/ISO thing I promised for within the week.

Why do people always demand cases so quickly!?

[Aristophanes]

You even didn't hammer properly and probably didn't realize the mod had a special rule.

This is 100% a great starting point for the scumread.

For other reasons, I will have to do that VCA/ISO thing I promised for within the week.

Why do people always demand cases so quickly!?

ok. explain to me why thats a great starting point for a scumread? explain in what possible way it could benefit scum!me to make it look like i hammered empking while not actually voting him? nobody will notice theres no hammer or my vote in the vcs and we will merrily hit dl and nl? i am not seeing the motivation here at all, youre gonna have to walk me there.

What was the deadline at that point?

I would argue you did it to look like you were hammering, have him make some bullshit "I'm le dead" posts, and then come out as a townread for some who then allow Gamma to be pushed through. This would save a scumbuddy and make you look like you goaded a genuine reaction, making you both more likely town and a less likely team.

This didn't work and blew up in your face though.

[Aristophanes]

tbh I say lynch Aristophanes today

Uhh...why?

[Aristophanes]

Greetings Hapahuli! (sorry if I butchered that.)

Did you replace into a scum slit?

I've seen walls and not read them yet. But today I'd probably only vote you or Sonia.

[Aristophanes]

That's L-1

I still have to do my analysis. Maybe tomorrow...