Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[Raskolnikov]

Get arona to vote me I'm tired of this.

[Raskolnikov]

A game where competence means you "have too much information".

[MariaR]

yo masons if I linked the town games I played rask with would you read them.

[MariaR]

Get arona to vote me I'm tired of this.

CAN YOU SHUT IT FOR 1 SECOND.

[MariaR]

Let me whiteknight you rask

[Raskolnikov]

I've been going on the hope that arona would end up voting hoopla but if you're masons together he's not going to go against you.

[MariaR]

If we have any more pr claims I suggest they out because I won't buy 5 pr claims unless mafia have the most op roles ever but I don't know what mafia could even have
Role cop?

[aronagrundy]

I've been going on the hope that arona would end up voting hoopla but if you're masons together he's not going to go against you.

I'm not 100% either way. You read as town d2 for me, but I also townread hoopla, so I'm going to have to read up on this.

[Hoopla]

wooo, a third mason! fascinating twist!

I didn't even know 3 masons could be a thing.

they are rare in 13p normal games (only have featured in 1758 and 1767)

In 1758, it was just three masons vs. an all goon team, and in 1767 the town also had an Ultimate Backup (which could inherit a mason role upon one dying) and scum had a Neapolitan (vanilla cop). So, based on that, I think Cloud's claim could go either way.

If any of Rask, goodmorning, Jack, Creature are a PR, they absolutely should counterclaim Cloud now, as I don't see town having two PR's with three masons. In the event of no CC, I'm still inclined to believe Cloud based on the way he claimed, the role he claimed (works well with mason setups), and believe scum have a Role Cop or Encryptor.

[MariaR]

wooo, a third mason! fascinating twist!

I didn't even know 3 masons could be a thing.

they are rare in 13p normal games (only have featured in 1758 and 1767)

In 1758, it was just three masons vs. an all goon team, and in 1767 the town also had an Ultimate Backup (which could inherit a mason role upon one dying) and scum had a Neapolitan (vanilla cop). So, based on that, I think Cloud's claim could go either way.

If any of Rask, goodmorning, Jack, Creature are a PR, they absolutely should counterclaim Cloud now, as I don't see town having two PR's with three masons. In the event of no CC, I'm still inclined to believe Cloud based on the way he claimed, the role he claimed (works well with mason setups), and believe scum have a Role Cop or Encryptor.

You see this is where you DON'T say the last part.

[MariaR]

can we get a VC and finalize something. Whatever that could be

[Raskolnikov]

Should lynch hoopla.
Even if cloud is scum he DID NOT create that fakeclaim by itself, hoopla prob drafted it for him to fit mason setup.
{GM, hoopla} >>>> {Cloud, hoopla} ?if cloud is actually fake [GM wouldn't create that fakeclaim either]

Don't think maria is scum anymore.

[Jaack]

Twist of the century lol. I guess this means I'm in this game for the long haul.

I also cannot cc cloud.

[Hoopla]

You see this is where you DON'T say the last part.

why? if scum want to fakeclaim and force a 50/50 for no reason, then all power to them.

[BlackVoid]

Can everyone just massclaim? Rask softed VT but I think just everyone outing their exact role should make things clear and unambiguous.

[MariaR]

Don't think maria is scum anymore.

[MariaR]

You see this is where you DON'T say the last part.

why? if scum want to fakeclaim and force a 50/50 for no reason, then all power to them.

You don't say "I'll believe cloud" if you think he's town in the first place. That makes scum back off in the first place.

[Hoopla]

still not following you, maria

[Raskolnikov]

Hoopla's scum and should be hammered.

[BlackVoid]

I'd love it if someone unvotes Hoopla so I can wait for GM to react to everything that happened. Jaack?

[Hoopla]

Hoopla's scum and should be hammered.

i'm actually town friend, and if i am lynched, i am excited to see what angle you push tomorrow

[Raskolnikov]

5/10

[BlackVoid]

There's one other reason that I'll keep to myself, this is just a reminder for me to bring it up later in case I forget.

Part of the reason I was suspicious of GM here is that D2, she townread me (probably thought I was a Mason), but D3, after I pushed Sotty7 and IAI flipped, she all of a sudden scumread me. It almost feels like she thought I was mislynchable once she figured she was wrong on me being Mason.

Also, Sotty7 knew I was a Mason with Victor:

Read wise this is where I am at in order:

Town: Victor, BV,GM
Null to town: Maria, Hoopla
Null to scum: Jaack, Cloud
Scum: Rask, Creature, IAI

Jaack and cloud are a lot closer to scum than null. Maria is a lot closer to town than null. Hoopla is nicely in the middle of null and town.

As fair warning I will be gone all of the day tomorrow again. It's bad timing, but my job put me in a month training class at the last minute so I won't be able to real time respond until around 6ish CST tomorrow evening. I also have to try and sleep for real now.

So, I think scum were working under that assumption that I was a Mason, at least on D2. So, why the IAI kill?

When I asked why I wasn't dead yet at the beginning of today, I wasn't tooting my own horn about my towniness. It felt like I was the more obvious partner to Victor. I consistently townread him and had him as my top townread through D1. I as good as told GreyICE that I was coming around to him being town but if it's between Victor and him, I had to vote him. So, why IAI when I was the obvious Mason and Sotty7 knew it?

[Raskolnikov]

So what you're saying is, you would lynch GM?

[BlackVoid]

I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out. I claimed partly to read her reaction.

I don't think it's a horrible idea to lynch Rask and let him pick the next lynch by the way.