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Well to be fair we could all pick 4 names and have the same percentage that 1 is scum.In post 12, Io wrote:Of which is a rd of the player list that replaced out so yeah statistics show 1's probably scum.-
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Why skip the newbie que?In post 21, TheseViolentDelights wrote:This is my first game onsite, actually!-
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Rvs usually has a random reason. This doesn't seem randomIn post 28, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Nothing happened. I'm just participating in RVS.
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In post 36, Aristophanes wrote:I don't have a clue why anyone would replace out with this role!-
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HmmIn post 40, MisaTange wrote:
Any current opinions? Like Ari's entrance?In post 39, FrankJaeger wrote:Im here.-
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In post 45, TheseViolentDelights wrote:town does not come in heavy hinting their PR on their first post-
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But you did cause he gave reasons for the person he's voting and you said he gave no reasons.In post 147, TwiszTed wrote:
I didn't. He said he had no reasons for two other scumreads.In post 145, TwoFace wrote:He explained his reasons for uzi. So why misrep that?
He doesn't need to give reasons for all his scum reads, especially early day 1.
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Yet you said he didn't give any...In post 151, TwiszTed wrote:And I acknowledged those reasons.-
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Players are allowed to roleclaim yesIn post 154, Eric Rasputin wrote:
So does that mean I can? Its just a question thoughIn post 152, TwiszTed wrote:
Please don't.In post 150, Eric Rasputin wrote:Question: Can we role claim ?
It's preferred you don't until somebody gives intent to hammer you-
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Yet this came after that. This is a false statementIn post 144, TwiszTed wrote:What scum hunting? He has stated no reasons.-
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I'm not being dense. I'm taking what you said and pointing out that it's not true. Now maybe you didn't phrase it properly, but the original statement you made wasn't true.In post 160, TwiszTed wrote:
HE DIDN'T, FOR TWO OTHER FUCKING SCUMREADSIn post 155, TwoFace wrote:
Yet you said he didn't give any...In post 151, TwiszTed wrote:And I acknowledged those reasons.
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Roles are randomly assigned. So yes a newbie could be scumIn post 161, Eric Rasputin wrote:ROFL .. I like how you guys change your vote so easily when a dark horse suddenly appears ... Too easy
I am a townie and not mafia ... Dont regret it when the KP comes out ... This is my first time playing here, do you really think a mod would make a newbie here a scum? I think not-
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Ew grossIn post 167, TwiszTed wrote:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68788In post 166, Eric Rasputin wrote:KP is kill post ... And calm down son, you're the one who is oozing scummy behaviour ... You are posting too much and aggressively participating ... Another scum move
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Not sure why you even would think that's the reason. I voted you cause I think your vote on Eric is garbage. Your reason for voting him is garbage and I disagree that him wanting to rush the day is a scumtell. Looks like going after an easy target which I feel is more likely to come from town. Some of Eric's posts aren't great but nothing looks like they have scummy intentions. Yours on the other hand do to me.In post 207, MisaTange wrote:why
if you're sort of angleshooting (bc im posting on a different game), this is really not the time-
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well I get that, I don't really like a lot of the players in this gameIn post 268, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah that was odd. A part me thinks she doesn't feel like likeshe'll get along with many of the players here but that's just based on my last game with her.-
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thisIn post 277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Mafiascum is life.
a year away from this place might as well be a lifetime ban-
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1. I didn't ask youIn post 283, MisaTange wrote:her replacing out is NAI imo regardless of reasons
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It's really just a gut read ATM. Not sure it's strong enough to sell anyone onIn post 292, Hiraki wrote:his is where you can try and sell me on misa again-
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I'm confused. You quoted my reason yet asked me for my reason. Why?In post 341, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Actually, TwoFace has been defending and backing Eric up. May we know the reason? and i saw no scum-intending posts of Misa whatsoever.-
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so why rule out the possibility that I think Eric is town and I'm defending him cause that's what you do for town reads? You seem like an experienced player so leaving that out of your possible scenarios is odd.In post 341, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:TwoFace (There's no reason a town will try to defend someone D1 exept if they are scum and know he is town to get on the good side or defending a scum-bud and when the scum flips, Say "If was scum, Will i buddy a maf so early?" Maybe I'm overthinking abut it but I may be very right.)
Eric as I said earlier is an easy target. I fee like he's going to be a mislynch. I'm going to try and prevent mislynches if I can.-
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this is dumb, i expected more from youIn post 346, havingfitz wrote:Eric....pretend you are scum. Would you expect that saying you are town is all it took to remove suspicions towards you?-
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Early stat theory stuff is null since that was the conversation going on - to say otherwise is scum motivated imo unless you can explain how staying active in the conversation is bad which nobody can cause it's not.In post 349, havingfitz wrote:TwoFace: Very active(good). Early stat theory fluff (~bad).
Shades mason (bad). Misreps (bad) Ted and gets into tiff. Naked
Misa/mason vote (bad). Defensive of Eric (ffr). Says vote on Misa is
gut (Post 262) despite having just given
several reasons for voting her (bad).
Reiterates vote on Misa doesn't have a lot of merit.
General snarkiness. = Scum lean.
Shade mason? Where? - pretty sure I didn't so possible misrep here
I certainly didn't misrep ted. Misrep in your part
Naked votes aren't bad - you should know better than that
Defending a town read one who's most likely lynch bait - protown.
Vote on gut but gave reasons is somehow bad? No because gut is usually able to be explained by pointing to things. If you were a newb I could see you making this mistake but you aren't a newb
My vote on misa was good imo, reiterating it isn't bad
Snarkiness - this is non ai, especially since it's my personality
So fitz is probably scum. Too many non ai or non truths being twisted into appearing bad. No way an experienced town player comes to this conclusion.
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There's no way he's town. It's obvious Eric is town. vote fitz with meIn post 351, Hiraki wrote:havingfitz im v disappointed that you could give eric a scum lean
i thought you would agree with my mindset-
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well you are inexperienced. outing the mason buddy is not a good idea at all.In post 354, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm just going to say that outing a partner was what I felt was the most pro-town thing to do.-
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the biggest problem I see with fitz post is he is discrediting people who voted for the masons, when nobody voted a known mason. Just because somebody voted somebody who later claimed mason doesn't mean their vote was bad.
not sure what the term is but he is basically discrediting anyone who voted these people like their play was somehow good. Some people think (myself included) that masons always come off as scummy because they have their own conversations away from the game thread and they can act in a certain way that other townies wouldn't normally act. I know this first hand cause one of my recent games was a mason and my play that game was way different.-
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First you voted me or did you forget?In post 358, havingfitz wrote:@TwoFace... You hadn't received a vote yet so it's good to see how quickly you reply with a vote on me in kind. As for your response to my assessment on you:
That doesn't matter though. Your attempt at a case on me is the kind of garbage I don't see town making. Some of your other posts I don't see town making, especially you who I know is a decent player.
To somehow imply my vote on you was bad just shows you can't be town-
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I already said I can't remember the term, maybe chainsaw defense? Idk it looks like you're buddying them by calling the people voting them scummy. The votes could be justified but you don't seem to consider that. My vote on misa was completely justified. I don't give a shit if he's a mason, that doesn't change my opinions and I certainly am not going to change that now. I was wrong cause he is town, but that doesn't mean I'm scum or even scummy.In post 358, havingfitz wrote:@TwoFace wrt post 357. Why can't I use the mason claims (until they are shown to be false) to discredit any pushes made on them? I-
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Idk if I'd say his analysis is spot on.In post 362, Hiraki wrote:
moreso just trying to stir discussion, i won't vote eric this gameIn post 358, havingfitz wrote:And your Post 331 seems to hint at you at least being open to considering that Eric could be scum.
your analysis is almost spot on except that I also think that eric is lying from a town position - it's a radical theory but it's a theory. how do you feel about that aspect?
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If stating facts is casting shade to you, sure you could say that but luv didn't use a random reason and I was justified in pointing that out. That's called scum hunting, something I know you know how to do. You're only twisting it against me now given the mason claim but that doesn't change anything. Facts are facts. Pointing them out is protown, not scummy.In post 358, havingfitz wrote:I viewed your Post 33 comments towards LUV as trying to plant seeds of suspicion (shade) on him.
Ted said Eric didn't explain his reads. I called him on it because he did explain one of them. Was it a mistake by ted? Probably but again I pointed out the facts. I didn't misrep anyone.In post 358, havingfitz wrote:As for the Ted misrep...you claimed Ted inferred Eric had to ~always justify his reads and that Eric "gave no reasons" for his votes.
So my vote was only bad after they claimed mason? Bullshit and if you're town you would know that. sorry the mason claim doesn't automatically make all votes on that person scummy. I guarantee I could find examples of you voting a person who later claimed a PR. That alone would give any town player pause. The vote on a mason alone means nothing, especially if the person was justifying their vote which I did.In post 358, havingfitz wrote:I'm not saying your naked vote on Misa is bad...I'm saying you voting a mason is bad.
If it's null there was no reason to mention it. And yes I'm defensive all the time. Why mention it like it means something? If you dare say defensive is scummy I'll destroy this game making sure you get lynched cause site meta has proven time and time again defensive is a charachter trait of a player and not a legitimate scumtell.In post 358, havingfitz wrote:Defending a town read...I just point it out for future reference. Null atm. Defensive much?
Gtfoh. Explaining why I have a gut read on them and keeping my vote on them is giving myself deniability of softening my stance? You can't be serious. By adding to my vote I'm commuting myself more to that read making it harder to get away from it. You aren't this bad.In post 358, havingfitz wrote:I viewed your description of voting Misa as gut more than once after giving several reasons as your ways of backtracking on the vote...giving yourself a little deniability if Misa were lynched and to flip town. A softening of your stance on her while at the same time maintaining your vote on her.
Is voting misa before I knew she was amasin bad? 100% no wayIn post 358, havingfitz wrote:In hindsight voting town (mason Misa) is bad...yes? Voting town in bad...yes? We have more information at our disposal following the mason claims so that colors your vote on Misa negatively. Comprehend?
Is voting town bad? Sure but I didn't know she's town so you can't use that against me.
I guess I do need to find games where you voted a town PR. The fact you act like town can't be wrong and it automatically makes anyone who voted a mason scummy means you're hypocrite or scum.
I mean technically you're voting town right now havingfitz, so you're bad or scum your self. I'll gamble with scum because your entire points against me is at best Examples of good town play, at worst NAI-
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That didn't take long. You pushed a lynch d1 on a town pr and you weren't scum - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6973570
What you did was way worse yet somehow my justified vote on an unknown who later claimed mason means I'm scummy?
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Mainly because he looks like an easy target. Scum salivate on these kind of people. People like to discredit the top scummy to be scum theory but I've seen it proven a bunch. Hell in my early days I was victim to it myself.In post 363, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:TF seems to be being his usual self, although he did seem a little protective than need be of Eric early on when it came to his play style.
I'll look at the people voting Eric later but I don't think he's a good lynch today (well ever but I do realize I could be wrong about him). I just don't see scum intent in any of his actions. Even n00b scumis going to try and look
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@FitzIn post 140, Eric Rasputin wrote:Just because ... Sometimes you dont need a reason .. All my posts have a meaning and it helps me and not the team ... I am not a very good team player because my style is completely different from the others .... My job is to make my alignment win ... I'll do that even if I have to deceive my own alignment ... And I'm out .. Hope the KP comes soon
You said this is a bad post. Please explain to the class why on earth if he were scum would he dare say such a thing.
Once you're done I'll explain why scum would not make this post-
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So @fitz, this post to me proves what I'm saying. A pr can make posts that appear scummy and the suspicion towards them genuine. If you were town, you should have conceded that before you decided to cast shade on anyone who actually voted one of them.In post 178, havingfitz wrote:@LUV...not a big fan of the "TVD might be the most
optimal play" theory you are suggesting. Said when you still have an
RVS vote sitting on me and when your next vote winds up on Eric. This
after your post 109 where you say TVD would have the strongest chance
of flipping scum if he was a D1 lych candidate.
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I'm confused still. I've given the reasons why I think Eric is town already and I gave reasons why I was suspicious of misa. So what exactly are you wanting from me? If you can be more clear I'd appreciate it.In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Actually I asked for the reason and assumed the reasons you will have.
No I've never seen him play.In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Have you ever seen Eric play? His posts are no where near the townie post. He says he has 7 year mafia experience but has he come up with any good thing to get him as town? You'll only know he is town if you are scum or you have played with him before. Noone defends someone unless he has some good posts spot on. Now, I'm thinking you are trying to get on a good side of Eric. You are scum either way. How are you so damn sure it will be a mislynch? Give me reasons how/why Eric is town.
I disagree with you because I don't see any scum intent in his posts. That post he made that says he doesn't work with others is 100% a townie post. No way scum says that ever. It's counterproductive to what scum need to do to win. They need to blend in and deceive town. That's the opposite of that. That's town and I'd stake my life in this game on it. Anyone pushing him as scum are scum themselves or blinded by stupidity.
I most certainly am not scum either way, cause I'm not scum at all. Nice try buddy
yes it's dumb. It was a pointless filler post that really served no purpose. It also implies fitz knows Eric is town.In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:This is dumb? How was that dumb?
Over 100 easily on this site alone. And I could see why you think it's omgus but it really isn't. But even if it was, omgus isn't scummy. It's not omgus cause I provided multiple reasons why he was scum. I didn't just say FU for voting me so I'll vote you. I provided actual content and analysis and the fact that you ignored all that and brushed it off as omgus is bullshitIn post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:How many gams have you played, TwoFace? Your OMGUS is pretty suspicious at this moment.
Thanks for proving you haven't read my posts. If you're town you have the responsibility to read my posts and consider them. Don't just write me off as omgusing. Cause tbh even if he didn't vote me I would have ripped him apart.In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Because he voted you, He isnt town? Straight OMGUSing.
Go read the part where he's basically calling anyone who voted the masons bad, but he was scum reading one of the masons which means his basis for that assumption is bad. Also look at the example where he as town previously led a lynch on a town PR which also means HISTORICALLY his thought process is flawed.
A person votes a scummy person who later claims a pr, doesn't make everyone guilty. That's how he's treating everyone though.
Learn the definition of omgus please. the fact that I've made a case means it's not omgus.In post 376, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:And you might say i am defending Fitz right now but i always defend someone who is being OMGUS'ed. OMGUS is no good for town. It only ends up having two townies under the radar or a scum putting a town under the radar.
My case > his case.
Now if you disagree with my case, feel free to explain what parts I've got wrong but don't sit there and ignore it and discredit it as omgus.
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His vote came right after he made that big ass post where he basically scum read/scum lean everyone who voted a mason when he was casting shade on a mason himself. Then I read his points against me and they were either not true or not alignment indicative. His entire post was bad imo mIn post 379, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:I had read all posts but why didnt you put up the case before he voted?
You supposedly have previous mafia experience so I'm not buying that you honestly think omgus is scummy. Anyone who's not a true n00b should have learned after 2/3 games that omgus is just a thing that happens (and more often than not is mislabeled like this time)
Because I really don't think he's made any posts that had scum intent. He explained his reason for uzi and I can actually agree with it. Especially since he's Mason. Masons often come off as scummy as I explained earlier. That was the case in the game where I was masons with somebody. My buddy who was trying to figure out the game ended up looking scummy when we lynched scum. It's hard to explain.In post 379, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:And why do you think voting Eric is stupid?
Outside of that he's town slipped (in my opinion) and his "I work alone" post no way came from scum.
And no new players don't automatically get a vt role, but because he thinks it, means he's probably a vt himself and has townslipped aka made a post that comes off as geniuine and almost confirms him as town (to me anyway)-
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Look at his post
Ari - votes a mason (bad)
Ted - questions Eric's vote on a mason (good)
TwoFace - shades mason (bad) btw this didn't happen, votes mason (bad)
Gamma - votes mason (bad)
Eric - votes mason (bad)
But fitz had one of the masons as a scum read. All these people can't be bad without fitz being bad himself.
Side note - he was voting your slot and unvoted cause he said your contribution was good. Sorry if this is going to hurt your feelings but you made 3 posts when fitz says that. First 2 are nothing and the 3rd was a catch-up post which are NAI and you voted Eric.
Could be fitz trying to pocket you cause that 1 post from you wasn't that great, certainly not enough to drop a scum read. You should be null, not town.
All his scum leans conveniently are the people who thought one of the masons could be scum. That's blatant buddying to me. It's like he's ignoring the points they made just because they were made on a mason.
I stand by my points about misa.
I agree with Eric's points about uzi
I don't know about the others who voted uzi.
The only thing I can't understand is whyis fitz hard town reading hiraki and tvd. I don't think he ever explained either reason and his attack
At uzi came when uzi was considering tvd as possible scum.
This could be something worth looking into later.