Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[BlackVoid]

Absolutely not. You can't just let him off for refusing to claim.

[BlackVoid]

If you want to look anywhere else, state intent to hammer and actually get his claim.

[Hoopla]

If you want to look anywhere else, state intent to hammer and actually get his claim.

What's your actual read of Cloud's alignment right now?

[BlackVoid]

Hammer him and I'll tell you.

[Hoopla]

Hammer him and I'll tell you.

You either know he's town or think he's prob-town like I do. Admit it.

[BlackVoid]

I don't see a hammer...

[Hoopla]

Dude, Cloud already knows you think he's town and this is merely pressure to get him to claim. Let it go and don't sink to his level.

[BlackVoid]

My read is that either he's scum and stalling, or he's town and you are trying to frustrate me by not getting his claim in an expedient fashion so that I keep pushing him harder and harder until I finally get a town lynched after putting in way too much effort.

If you are town here, you'd be trying to make the process simpler, not throw additional wrenches into the mix.

[BlackVoid]

You are being very anti-town right now. He

literally

said that if there was actual intent, he would claim. All you had to do was confirm that you had actual intent and we would have moved on but then you decided to "change your mind" and actually consider letting him get off without claiming at all.

Now you are creating even more of a distraction from the main issue by claiming I'm being anti-town as well.

[Hoopla]

My read is that either he's scum and stalling, or he's town and you are trying to frustrate me by not getting his claim in an expedient fashion so that I keep pushing him harder and harder until I finally get a town lynched after putting in way too much effort.

If you are town here, you'd be trying to make the process simpler, not throw additional wrenches into the mix.

What do you think of my logic in 2387? I want you to pick apart my argument and tell me why he doesn't do this as town more often.

[CloudKicker]

My read is that either he's scum and stalling, or he's town and you are trying to frustrate me by not getting his claim in an expedient fashion so that I keep pushing him harder and harder until I finally get a town lynched after putting in way too much effort.

If you are town here, you'd be trying to make the process simpler, not throw additional wrenches into the mix.

Hes not, ure the one whos stubborn here

[BlackVoid]

I'll pick it apart if you hammer him. Otherwise no.

[Hoopla]

You are being very anti-town right now. He

literally

said that if there was actual intent, he would claim. All you had to do was confirm that you had actual intent and we would have moved on but then you decided to "change your mind" and actually consider letting him get off without claiming at all.

Now you are creating even more of a distraction from the main issue by claiming I'm being anti-town as well.

The situation has changed.

He is probably town and no longer a lynch candidate. As such, he doesn't need to claim. You even think he's town.

[BlackVoid]

He is a lynch candidate. Nothing has changed. If he doesn't claim, there is nobody else that I'll consider for a lynch.

[CloudKicker]

He is a lynch candidate. Nothing has changed. If he doesn't claim, there is nobody else that I'll consider for a lynch.

Will you claim if i claim ? and if so, its almost like massclaiming at this point

[BlackVoid]

He is a lynch candidate. Nothing has changed. If he doesn't claim, there is nobody else that I'll consider for a lynch.

Will you claim if i claim ? and if so, its almost like massclaiming at this point

Only if you claim in your next post.

[CloudKicker]

you said that 3 times lol

[CloudKicker]

BV, i will claim if you claim in your next post

[Hoopla]

He is a lynch candidate. Nothing has changed. If he doesn't claim, there is nobody else that I'll consider for a lynch.

Well, I'm going to leave the conversation there since we are at an impasse. Others on the Cloud wagon can chime in. But I hope they see the light like I do and that his play makes way more sense as town.

[BlackVoid]

He's just trolling at this point. Creature, when you get here, please hammer him.

[CloudKicker]

He's just trolling at this point. Creature, when you get here, please hammer him.

Oh wait, you didnt follow up with me asking to claim in your next post ? why do you expect ppl to do it if you dont

[BlackVoid]

Actually I do see the light.

VOTE: Hoopla

[CloudKicker]

LOOOL LOOK AT THIS

[Raskolnikov]

Even if town you have to get the claim out. Softs only stand in d1 or specific setups like matrix6.

If you have a softclaim that already makes someone a potential target and it's generally likely scum figure out said role anyways and act appropriately.
The difference with the fullclaim is you at least get the information/actions out, potentially clears onto people, whereas all that is lost forever if for some reason he is killed after softing.

If scum the softing allows full flexibility with claim next day after a ton of time potentially preparing and theorycrafting.
If town the worst case scenario is what? Cloud gets killed? That's actually still way preferable to for example mason dying in this situation, and it's arguable how much soft vs hard influences that anyways.

[CloudKicker]

By this vote, you either think we are both mafia and hes defending his partner or you think hes mafia and defending town, which makes no sens since you asked me to get hammered a bunch of time, either way its pretty inconsistent with your earlier reads