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BlackVoid Mafia Scum
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What's your actual read of Cloud's alignment right now?In post 2426, BlackVoid wrote:If you want to look anywhere else, state intent to hammer and actually get his claim.-
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You either know he's town or think he's prob-town like I do. Admit it.In post 2428, BlackVoid wrote:Hammer him and I'll tell you.-
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BlackVoid Mafia Scum
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My read is that either he's scum and stalling, or he's town and you are trying to frustrate me by not getting his claim in an expedient fashion so that I keep pushing him harder and harder until I finally get a town lynched after putting in way too much effort.
If you are town here, you'd be trying to make the process simpler, not throw additional wrenches into the mix.-
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BlackVoid Mafia Scum
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You are being very anti-town right now. Heliterallysaid that if there was actual intent, he would claim. All you had to do was confirm that you had actual intent and we would have moved on but then you decided to "change your mind" and actually consider letting him get off without claiming at all.
Now you are creating even more of a distraction from the main issue by claiming I'm being anti-town as well.-
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What do you think of my logic in 2387? I want you to pick apart my argument and tell me why he doesn't do this as town more often.In post 2432, BlackVoid wrote:My read is that either he's scum and stalling, or he's town and you are trying to frustrate me by not getting his claim in an expedient fashion so that I keep pushing him harder and harder until I finally get a town lynched after putting in way too much effort.
If you are town here, you'd be trying to make the process simpler, not throw additional wrenches into the mix.-
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CloudKicker Jack of All Trades
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Hes not, ure the one whos stubborn hereIn post 2432, BlackVoid wrote:My read is that either he's scum and stalling, or he's town and you are trying to frustrate me by not getting his claim in an expedient fashion so that I keep pushing him harder and harder until I finally get a town lynched after putting in way too much effort.
If you are town here, you'd be trying to make the process simpler, not throw additional wrenches into the mix.-
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Hoopla
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The situation has changed.In post 2433, BlackVoid wrote:You are being very anti-town right now. Heliterallysaid that if there was actual intent, he would claim. All you had to do was confirm that you had actual intent and we would have moved on but then you decided to "change your mind" and actually consider letting him get off without claiming at all.
Now you are creating even more of a distraction from the main issue by claiming I'm being anti-town as well.
He is probably town and no longer a lynch candidate. As such, he doesn't need to claim. You even think he's town.-
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CloudKicker Jack of All Trades
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Will you claim if i claim ? and if so, its almost like massclaiming at this pointIn post 2438, BlackVoid wrote:He is a lynch candidate. Nothing has changed. If he doesn't claim, there is nobody else that I'll consider for a lynch.-
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BlackVoid Mafia Scum
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Only if you claim in your next post.In post 2439, CloudKicker wrote:
Will you claim if i claim ? and if so, its almost like massclaiming at this pointIn post 2438, BlackVoid wrote:He is a lynch candidate. Nothing has changed. If he doesn't claim, there is nobody else that I'll consider for a lynch.-
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CloudKicker Jack of All Trades
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Well, I'm going to leave the conversation there since we are at an impasse. Others on the Cloud wagon can chime in. But I hope they see the light like I do and that his play makes way more sense as town.In post 2438, BlackVoid wrote:He is a lynch candidate. Nothing has changed. If he doesn't claim, there is nobody else that I'll consider for a lynch.-
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BlackVoid Mafia Scum
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CloudKicker Jack of All Trades
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Oh wait, you didnt follow up with me asking to claim in your next post ? why do you expect ppl to do it if you dontIn post 2444, BlackVoid wrote:He's just trolling at this point. Creature, when you get here, please hammer him.-
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Raskolnikov Jack of All Trades
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Even if town you have to get the claim out. Softs only stand in d1 or specific setups like matrix6.
If you have a softclaim that already makes someone a potential target and it's generally likely scum figure out said role anyways and act appropriately.
The difference with the fullclaim is you at least get the information/actions out, potentially clears onto people, whereas all that is lost forever if for some reason he is killed after softing.
If scum the softing allows full flexibility with claim next day after a ton of time potentially preparing and theorycrafting.
If town the worst case scenario is what? Cloud gets killed? That's actually still way preferable to for example mason dying in this situation, and it's arguable how much soft vs hard influences that anyways.-
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