In post 1822, MathBlade wrote:Penguin Power + Lowell
Saru + Penguin Power
Saru + ironstove
Karnos + ironstove
Hard town reading : bji, Nero
Light town read: ironstove
Waffle House: Karnos
Light scum read: Saru (by night actions only by posts he seems townie)
The likely scum team: Penguin Power + Lowell
This why ICs who think they are awesome are bad. None of these teams make sense...except IS and karnos in a far-off-land world.
...You can say my reads are bad. I am not saying I am awesome. I am laying my thoughts on the table. Explain yours and why you believe them if you think differently. Show people where I am wrong.
I looked at mal's recent posts. Whatever you can be town. This is fake VLA shit.
Vote: mal
Jesus. Don't claim, just die. Fucking fake VLAers. This doesn't just make you scum, it means you're garbage who abuses site rules meant to accommodate people IRL. Welcome to the hell of "I will expect you to post content at all times in all games I am a part of regardless of VLA status."
This is clearly a policy lynch vote. Clearly states that he has no belief that Mal was actually scum and just wanted him to die because he is "garbage who abuses site rules".
Literally
everyone except you
justified their vote as a policy lynch vote, either explicitly, or implicitly by saying that they weren't sure that Mal was scum but that he should die because no one should go on V/LA in one game and still participate in other games, because that's lame.
In post 766, karnos wrote:So you are saying it's perfect to push mal and get a last minuted claim if he is a town power role? What side are you on?
The one looking to sort slots and scumhunt.
The reverse of your complaint towards me is that you are perfectly fine doing absolutely nothing to a slot that is barely here - also known as the exact reason scum lurk as a strategy. Like, if he's scum, you're giving him exactly what he wants. if he's town, you're accepting that he is playing to help scum.
I mean, if you're telling me I could just declare v/la and auto get to lylo - let me know.
He's not really saying that Mal is scum or town, though; he's making a (bogus) argument for why to lynch Mal either way. And later:
In post 775, Thor665 wrote:Of Malp's 11 posts - almost half (4) are just discussing his multiple v/las)
One is going "/first"
One is an RVS vote.
One is complaining RVS is over.
I mean, seriously.
This reads to me like anti-evidence for a reads-based vote of Mal, pointing out that Mal had basically no activity so we can't really infer alignment from anything he actually did. Leaving the only reason for voting him being policy.
You now look worse than Thor to me, and that's saying something.
In post 1829, MathBlade wrote:Nero said it wasn't a policy and it was but it was specifically directed towards you as well
That wasn't directed to me at all. His spoiler title was in reference to my earlier complaint about a wall...he's been doing it ever since...have you not noticed that? Show me my lie.
PP's "case" that requires Karnos to be town and Saru to be scum is silly by itself but if he actually believed that he'd be voting Karnos.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
In post 1840, Nero Cain wrote:PP's "case" that requires Karnos to be town and Saru to be scum is silly by itself but if he actually believed that he'd be voting Karnos.
In post 1840, Nero Cain wrote:PP's "case" that requires Karnos to be town and Saru to be scum is silly by itself but if he actually believed that he'd be voting Karnos.
You mean Saru right? Doubtful PP would vote his townread.
In post 1840, Nero Cain wrote:PP's "case" that requires Karnos to be town and Saru to be scum is silly by itself but if he actually believed that he'd be voting Karnos.
Why?
So my town flip means Karnos is scum?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
In post 1840, Nero Cain wrote:PP's "case" that requires Karnos to be town and Saru to be scum is silly by itself but if he actually believed that he'd be voting Karnos.
You mean Saru right? Doubtful PP would vote his townread.
Karnos only become a town read when I flipped scum, wich I haven't and I won't, so I think its really weird how he just started to town read Karnos. I think it's likely a PP/Karnos team and that's the real reason he isn't voting him.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
In post 1840, Nero Cain wrote:PP's "case" that requires Karnos to be town and Saru to be scum is silly by itself but if he actually believed that he'd be voting Karnos.
You mean Saru right? Doubtful PP would vote his townread.
Karnos only become a town read when I flipped scum, wich I haven't and I won't, so I think its really weird how he just started to town read Karnos. I think it's likely a PP/Karnos team and that's the real reason he isn't voting him.
If Nero flips town then stove would hit you hard (more than likely)
If PP flips town stove tunnels Nero again at which point we hope it is Nero+Saru because I would be dead.
Like there was absolutely no reason for Karnos to hammer Thor and cut off discussion like that. I think it was BJ that said something along the lines of "but we are able to buddy hunt today!" but its still dumb as we were guaranteed to lose at least one townie over the night and reduce the town brain power.
Karnos response that he was worried that town wouldn't lynch Thor doesn't mesh with reality.
NO ONE
was going to buy there being two town trackers in a mini. It was deff a bus.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
In post 1802, PenguinPower wrote:WTF? I'm saying that the only reason I scum read him was because of meta. So, I'm discounting that, and I have two stronger scum targets which I explained. Like, seriously...wtf?
Here's what I don't understand about you, Penguin. You are outright admitting that your top scum read was a scum read solely due to some kind of meta evaluation.
This deep in the game, and your strongest scum read is paper thin?
Then Karnos says "And this is all because I voted an IC, before the IC was mod confirmed?" ... and your whole scum read on him falls apart and now your scummiest read is no longer scum?
I mean you literally went from "That would involve me believing that karnos is town. That's hard for me to do right now."
to
"Fuck it. If you're scum, I'll let you have this one." (directed at Karnos)
for as far as I can tell, basically no reason.
Why are people so sure that Karnos-Penguin is not a possible scum team? Penguin said to Lowell:
Bolded for emphasis: I think this might be the dumbest thing you've said.
Why is Karnos-Penguin the dumbest thing possible?
On the flip side ... Penguin's exasperation does feel very real.
Penguin is doing quite a lot more defending himself than he is trying to get Nero lynched. If Penguin's goal as scum is just to "live another day", he'd probably be better served by trying harder to actively complete the Nero lynch I think.
Of course he did park his vote on that wagon and with a reason that he somehow never surmised before it was needed to allow him to get on the Nero counter wagon (post 1766).
WIFOM out the wazoo here but I'm not feeling the Penguin scum case as strongly as I was.
I looked at mal's recent posts. Whatever you can be town. This is fake VLA shit.
Vote: mal
Jesus. Don't claim, just die. Fucking fake VLAers. This doesn't just make you scum, it means you're garbage who abuses site rules meant to accommodate people IRL. Welcome to the hell of "I will expect you to post content at all times in all games I am a part of regardless of VLA status."
This is clearly a policy lynch vote. Clearly states that he has no belief that Mal was actually scum and just wanted him to die because he is "garbage who abuses site rules".
Literally
everyone except you
justified their vote as a policy lynch vote, either explicitly, or implicitly by saying that they weren't sure that Mal was scum but that he should die because no one should go on V/LA in one game and still participate in other games, because that's lame.
In post 766, karnos wrote:So you are saying it's perfect to push mal and get a last minuted claim if he is a town power role? What side are you on?
The one looking to sort slots and scumhunt.
The reverse of your complaint towards me is that you are perfectly fine doing absolutely nothing to a slot that is barely here - also known as the exact reason scum lurk as a strategy. Like, if he's scum, you're giving him exactly what he wants. if he's town, you're accepting that he is playing to help scum.
I mean, if you're telling me I could just declare v/la and auto get to lylo - let me know.
He's not really saying that Mal is scum or town, though; he's making a (bogus) argument for why to lynch Mal either way. And later:
In post 775, Thor665 wrote:Of Malp's 11 posts - almost half (4) are just discussing his multiple v/las)
One is going "/first"
One is an RVS vote.
One is complaining RVS is over.
I mean, seriously.
This reads to me like anti-evidence for a reads-based vote of Mal, pointing out that Mal had basically no activity so we can't really infer alignment from anything he actually did. Leaving the only reason for voting him being policy.
You now look worse than Thor to me, and that's saying something.
UNVOTE: Thor VOTE: Nero Cain
Here you go Penguin.
In no way, shape, or form was I referring to Penguin in that post. As he already stated, my only mention of him there was because he asked me not to post walls so I've been putting spoiler tags in with cheeky references to him as the spoiler title text.
I have a lot to say about Math's giant game summary but I don't have the time at the moment. It's Saturday morning and my 8 year old son really really just wants me to put an emoji in my post so here it is:
PEDIT: Now Nero is suggesting a Karnos-PP team??? I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THIS!!!
