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ironstove Mafia Scum
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I already indicated multiple times that the Nero scum is extremely likely if thors flip was scum, and I also don't like how easy this penguin wagon has picked up momentum while there is still strong, unexplained resistance to the Nero vote.
The moment I changed my vote to Nero, so many of you immediately jumped on glad to be a part of it. Why is penguin scum and why is Nero town? That's the question I ask those of you pushing to Lynch penguin today-
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Because if you are conf town then you die and one of us into one scum hunting/MyLO with power of hammer.In post 1671, ironstove wrote:Explain why claiming a pr is beneficial to town besides satisfying you own selfish reasons? And I will actually consider it if you can prove my hard claiming is a higher value play than not revealing my role. (You cant)-
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Because reads change and how this flip happens will sure as fuck change my reads.In post 1672, ironstove wrote:With that said also explain as Lowell pointed out why as scum I would even bother with this move if everyone was already town reading me? (again, you can't)-
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Wait...you think both me and karnos are scum?In post 1659, Lowell wrote:I'm here. Briefly, since I'm running to a meeting (and am old). I agree with Math's 1550 in response to penguin's "why would I do this" post, for the reasons he stated. After that we can sort it out, but I'm relatively sure iron and saru are town. I lean town on bji, and I'm not quite seeing the nero case yet. My guess is the other is Karnos. I'll check in on this once more this evening if I can, and then tomorrow.
VOTE: penguin
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PenguinPower He/Him.pengHe/Him
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^In post 1634, Saru wrote:Penguin might say "well maybe the scum just happened to kill arona by coincidence" to which I would reply...no.
Calling this out for endgame.
Either this is what happened, scum have an investigative PR, or what I mentioned earlier happened.-
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ironstove Mafia Scum
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The idea of you getting hammer and leading town doesn't seem like +EVIn post 1677, MathBlade wrote:
Because if you are conf town then you die and one of us into one scum hunting/MyLO with power of hammer.In post 1671, ironstove wrote:Explain why claiming a pr is beneficial to town besides satisfying you own selfish reasons? And I will actually consider it if you can prove my hard claiming is a higher value play than not revealing my role. (You cant)
You town read the encryptor and forced us to no lynch, you haven't done anything this game for me to trust your decision making, sorry.-
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I made ONE mistake so far. I blatantly admitted it. I did not force us to no lynch I explained MY opinion. If anything Lowell did by not hammering when he said he would. There were a lot of people who didn't vote there. I refuse to be your personal punching bag because you are pissed that the conf townie doesn't agree with you.In post 1681, ironstove wrote:
The idea of you getting hammer and leading town doesn't seem like +EVIn post 1677, MathBlade wrote:
Because if you are conf town then you die and one of us into one scum hunting/MyLO with power of hammer.In post 1671, ironstove wrote:Explain why claiming a pr is beneficial to town besides satisfying you own selfish reasons? And I will actually consider it if you can prove my hard claiming is a higher value play than not revealing my role. (You cant)
You town read the encryptor and forced us to no lynch, you haven't done anything this game for me to trust your decision making, sorry.
Letting scum control the hammer is sure a hell of a lot more -EV. Let's assume I was dumb. There is a chance with you leaving your last will I become "not dumb". You also said you had to die for your power to activate I would love to test that. If you are vengeful then you can show off the reason for your extreme arrogance and take out a scum.
You say I haven't done anything to trust decision making while you have said so many people are definitively scum and then chastised, yelled at, insulted, or just berated people rather than explaining points.
You have claimed something no review board in their right mind would approve and then expect me to worship your reads? To just townread you?
A confirmed town in you or myself controlling the hammer is a hell of a lot more powerful than a vengeful or any other negative utility (as described earlier) PR because it forces scum to vote first.
Scum win games by hammering in MyLO or LyLO. It is one of their biggest tools
By you and I leaving last wills considering every valid comboAND being confirmedwe take that tool from scum.
I am trying to work with you but you are being impossible. The smart play is to protect conftown at all costs if you are town. That is always the answer. Yet you do not.-
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To be quite clear I would rather lose and your arrogance be gone even if you were a cop of 5000 checks a night and mod made all results public.
I am hunting and trying to see the things you do and asking and trying to work with you and you do the equivalent of "look how big my appendage is". I assure you I have bigger ones in my drawers at home so put away the holier than thou, explain your reads and claim.-
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K, I'm still new and all, but I checked the wiki for normal roles and didn't see anything that requires one to die (except for bodyguard, but that's not what you are alluding to) for the role to activate.In post 1657, ironstove wrote:Yes, arguably so because I need to be die for it to work and I want to stay in the game-
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There are a couple of others but none are more important than stopping scum from having the hammer tomorrow.In post 1685, PenguinPower wrote:
K, I'm still new and all, but I checked the wiki for normal roles and didn't see anything that requires one to die (except for bodyguard, but that's not what you are alluding to) for the role to activate.In post 1657, ironstove wrote:Yes, arguably so because I need to be die for it to work and I want to stay in the game-
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... rmal_Roles
Please explain which of these roles you are stove.-
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karnos Mafia Scum
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My guess would be some flavor of enabler... maybe. I dunno.
Iron, I think it makes sense to come out, but I don't really care. I just think it might be beneficial for town to be united, I think this back and forth between you and MathBlade is not terrible constructive.
I'd prefer to lynch penguin, but I'm fine with nero as well.-
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Enabler doesn't work because the rest of town (assuming for the moment Iron is town) would be VT. So he if is a X role enabler who the fuck cares? This game isn't about what PRs scum have anymore. We are all essentially VT. They can investigate, protect, or kill. The first is dumb as we'd all be VT, the middle is why?!?!?!, and the latter should only be the mafia kill. Scum cigs aren't normal. Enabler wouldn't cause iron to claim like that.In post 1689, karnos wrote:My guess would be some flavor of enabler... maybe. I dunno.
Iron, I think it makes sense to come out, but I don't really care. I just think it might be beneficial for town to be united, I think this back and forth between you and MathBlade is not terrible constructive.
I'd prefer to lynch penguin, but I'm fine with nero as well.-
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Well done, bji.In post 1691, bji wrote:Spoiler: For everyone except Penguin
For Penguin:
I don't think Iron should claim his role.-
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Did you read my last paragraph?In post 1693, PenguinPower wrote:Wiki says that some Enabler's affect scum roles when killed. Pretty sure you linked that.
Scum have roles that fall into four categories
Investigative
Fuckup
Protective
Kill
Investigative -- Who cares?
Fuckup -- Again who cares bunch of VTs?
Protective -- why??
Kill -- Not applicable in Normal
There is literally no role in the normals that would cause iron to claim as he did. He has scum claimed.-
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ironstove Mafia Scum
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What is your case on me besides "didn't vote Thor"?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
edited c.s. lewis quote b/c limit
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