This is a fair enough assessment, but I don't agree with your conclusion that gm is scum. Overall your case feels more like "gm has done some things that could have been done with scum motivation" as opposed to "gm has done actively scummy things." In this particular case, I think its far more likely that gm is stubborn town as opposed to lazy scum.In post 1317, Raskolnikov wrote: Yeah but at the same time doubting the claim is easier for gm than coming up with new reads, and she can maintain everything from yesterday without change. And mason claim makes it an easy scumread because you're not expected to do that much about it. I agree it brings attention though I already voted her at that point.
How she does it too "(which is totally not Scum's favourite FC or anything, nope)." is kind of absurd also, and how gm super scumreads victor. Apparently all of it still on the entrance and the semantics argument he had. I don't buy you scumread someone early that much you stop reading them and are still ultra confident, then see mason claim and are still 100%, and go as far as implying mason claim is even likely or common for scum to continue (how does she even get to that conclusion?).
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I don't understand the point of IAI doing all of that, and what the conclusions of all that work is, but I agree it's townish for him going out of the way and doing it.In post 1324, Raskolnikov wrote:Can I just assume scum wouldn't bother putting in the time to do that?
Was leaning town on you for gm's shade but wow.
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Hey goodmorning, how are you feeling about the L-1 Sotty wagon?
(I don't know what nrg means... not really good?)In post 1333, goodmorning wrote:Most of the votes on Sotty are nrg...-
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If scum tryhard enough for a win then by all means fucking take itIn post 1321, I Am Innocent wrote:In post 1308, Sotty7 wrote:It feels like he is waiting for someone to come up to him and say it's okay IAI, you can vote Sotty!
I never thought that someone would be you!In post 1316, Sotty7 wrote:Place your vote, even if it's on me.
vote Sotty
Actually, I spent over an hour tracking all the votes from Day 1 (see spoiler), and then got busy with family stuff. So you can stop with all the "do something already" shade. Your 180 in just a few posts on me stinks, as does you day 1 voting history. I'm pretty sure town Sotty would be mixing it up, you're posts lack the passion I've seen from you in your town games. Sorry you drew scum, maybe we can play again after this game and we can be on the same side.
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1270 is reducing my read to one part of it and arguing against that with mafia theory.
Something OTT ridiculous is bad in the sense when I can't see how it could possibly come from town as a legitimate viewpoint, whereas natural town pov should be able to be followed and understood to some degree. Your "scum don't act ridiculous" does not really apply here; your actions are only ridiculous in a town context, but the scum motivation for them are fairly simple (laziness+opportunism). And it's not as if you would know they are ridiculous while doing them, because it took me noticing and analyzing for this to even become a point of public discussion, whereas if it was obvious I wouldn't have been almost alone in my concern.
I don't like shifting to more general theory instead of specifics, every scumtell can be argued against from a theory standpoint. Then with focus there, everyone says "hey it's just a disagreement of theory opinion" and ignore the original points.-
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Push jack and help me lynch him and I'll townread you for 2 days (assuming you leave me <3)In post 1358, BlackVoid wrote:I should start pushing a wagon on my townreads so that somebody (MariaR) can complain about how bad it is. I'll get to work on that.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Not really good.In post 1352, Hoopla wrote:Hey goodmorning, how are you feeling about the L-1 Sotty wagon?
(I don't know what nrg means... not really good?)In post 1333, goodmorning wrote:Most of the votes on Sotty are nrg...
I liked the idea but the execution is pretty terrible.
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Then why can't I be lazy and opportunistic Town?In post 1357, Raskolnikov wrote:1270 is reducing my read to one part of it and arguing against that with mafia theory.
Something OTT ridiculous is bad in the sense when I can't see how it could possibly come from town as a legitimate viewpoint, whereas natural town pov should be able to be followed and understood to some degree. Your "scum don't act ridiculous" does not really apply here; your actions are only ridiculous in a town context, but the scum motivation for them are fairly simple (laziness+opportunism). And it's not as if you would know they are ridiculous while doing them, because it took me noticing and analyzing for this to even become a point of public discussion, whereas if it was obvious I wouldn't have been almost alone in my concern.
I don't like shifting to more general theory instead of specifics, every scumtell can be argued against from a theory standpoint. Then with focus there, everyone says "hey it's just a disagreement of theory opinion" and ignore the original points.EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
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Things which have more scum motivation to them than town motivation = scummy things.In post 1350, Jaack wrote:This is a fair enough assessment, but I don't agree with your conclusion that gm is scum. Overall your case feels more like "gm has done some things that could have been done with scum motivation" as opposed to "gm has done actively scummy things." In this particular case, I think its far more likely that gm is stubborn town as opposed to lazy scum.-
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Let me rephraseIn post 1361, Raskolnikov wrote:
Things which have more scum motivation to them than town motivation = scummy things.In post 1350, Jaack wrote:This is a fair enough assessment, but I don't agree with your conclusion that gm is scum. Overall your case feels more like "gm has done some things that could have been done with scum motivation" as opposed to "gm has done actively scummy things." In this particular case, I think its far more likely that gm is stubborn town as opposed to lazy scum.
I think a lot of your case on gm boils down to you looking for scum motivations behind everything gm has done, regardless of how likely those explinations are. You offer a possible reason that scum-gm could continue her scumread on victor, but it's far more likely, at least from my perspective that she is stubborn town rather than scum trying to find a tunnel that will allow her to not do anything.
While the scum-explination is possible, I think that overall, most of gm's play this game looks to come from town. She's not town to the point that I would be shocked by a scum flip, but I think town is more likely.-
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I don't think there is something that you can outright label active scummy things like rask just said its' more looking out what does town get from this post compared to scum where's the motivation in the posts made the reason why there's no outright scummy thing is because everyone has a reason (to some extent) on what they post or why they did things it's why you want to hear why they did ___ and you get a bases from it it's just mafia 101I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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GM address my mason point then. How can you say mason fakeclaim is common when I assume you haven't seen it more than once ever? How do you think it would be a thing given what hoopla brought up, which I agree makes sense whatever her align?-
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I don't think if Mason is a fakeclaim common should be what were focusing on I think we should focus on would scum victor fake claim it in that spot to buy a few days and get a ml in knowing grey was townI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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This is so weak. Why do you think I would be mixing it up? If I was hooked on scum why wouldn't I just stay there? How does my voting record compare against other people in the game who have parked their votes all day yesterday and all day today?In post 1321, I Am Innocent wrote:Actually, I spent over an hour tracking all the votes from Day 1 (see spoiler), and then got busy with family stuff. So you can stop with all the "do something already" shade. Your 180 in just a few posts on me stinks, as does you day 1 voting history. I'm pretty sure town Sotty would be mixing it up, you're posts lack the passion I've seen from you in your town games. Sorry you drew scum, maybe we can play again after this game and we can be on the same side.
Yeah this never happened. I have GM as a town read but agreed her IAI vote could be lazy. If anything you have given up on your GM vote once one one reacted to your big case and are jumping all over me for what exactly?In post 1328, Raskolnikov wrote:VOTE: Sotty l-1
I was hoping to get a lot from how she pushed me and dealt with gm, butshe gave up pretty fast on me and turned around on gm first thing when the wagon on her got going.
Yup.In post 1333, goodmorning wrote:Also, the mod of this game links the votes in the VCs. It's the easiest thing in the world to ISO the mod and just click the links. I could do the whole damn game in 15 minutes or less.
Exactly. People are willing to look past this because they just want me lynched, it will be key information once I do eventually flip so see exactly how he reacted to me day one v day two with no detail in between. As I read his reasons are basically nightkill. Like scum can't manipulate that to make me, the very obvious next mislynch after Grey look awful, but okay, continue with this reasoning something I have no chance to defend because pretty much everything I can say is WIFOMIn post 1344, goodmorning wrote:He dodged posting as long as he could while being very active elsewhere. When he finally showed up and had reads they were identical to the majority. His vote on the Grey wagon was one that he could have justified no matter what action Grey had actually taken. His vote on Sotty doesn't make any sense; he strong-pushed TownSotty D1, spoke to her like he was SURE she was Town, now suddenly he's just decided she's Scum for no real reason? And his D2 start was the same as D1: he delayed posting as long as possible so he could see the lay of the land and quietly go along with - who again? - the majority. He still hasn't done anything but randomly vote Sotty (majority wagon hint hint) today either.
What is looking like a lost cause, my wagon? Or am I reading that wrong?In post 1367, Raskolnikov wrote:This is legitimately looking like a lost cause though.-
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I have seen it more than once ever. I don't have time to troll back through the ~175 games I've played or the ~500 I've read to pull the ones with Mason fakeclaims right now.In post 1364, Raskolnikov wrote:GM address my mason point then. How can you say mason fakeclaim is common when I assume you haven't seen it more than once ever? How do you think it would be a thing given what hoopla brought up, which I agree makes sense whatever her align?
If I did maybe you'd townread me for putting in the effort though.
Yes.
Or Normal Review Group. But those might be the same thing.
why do you hate fun though?In post 1366, Raskolnikov wrote:
"Why can't I just be scummy town?"Then why can't I be lazy and opportunistic Town?
@Sotty: I think Rask means the me-wagon (despite having placed their second weird L-1/2 vote in a row and it not being on me)? We can talk if you have anything in particular to say but ??????
Like, I'm not convinced you're Town 100% but your reaction to the wagon feels ok so ??????????????????????????EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
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