Mini Normal 1843 - Endgame

[Creature]

Cloudkicker still town.

[Creature]

Also, no point in doubtcasting a mason this early.

[Creature]

Bah, this is taking too long.

VOTE: Sotty7

Joining Hoopla or MariaR if you want.

[MariaR]

Let's talk Creature I tr scotty and I think hoopia is townlean

What's with those sr's.

[MariaR]

This answer will help me know your alignment

[Creature]

Raskolnikov

goodmorning
Hoopla

Jaack
Creature
BlackVoid
VictorDeAngelo
CloudKicker
I Am Innocent

Sotty7
MariaR

[Creature]

Hoopla: 1009

Sotty7: She didn't do much to be important, I didn't notice she was in the game

[Creature]

This answer will help me know your alignment

What about Hoopla's and Sotty7's?

[MariaR]

Hm I didn't remember 10009 thanks for remembering me

Scotty is town. The fact my 2 major sr's are voting it along with the twoface kill is proof enough.

Go into more detail on it if you like though.

[Creature]

Ok, what about Hoopla? What do you think about 1009?

[MariaR]

Let me give it a read.

[MariaR]

The tldr of that is that Hoopia has I thought process of "My day 1 will always suck so I don't really need to improve it" and It's bad correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't really seen Hoppia bring that up more then a few times if it was a main defense for Hoopia I would scumread it because that's useless Now I don't know if I understand this fully and I'll prob do another read of that but I think the important thing to look at is the "hyper buddy" that Grey talked about on how Hoopia said my vote was good but did nothing else for it along with saying "You need to vote this with me"
a Hoopia lynch would personally help me a lot with my reads if Hoopia is scum I'll prob have to relook at Jaack and Victor but that's a risk I don't feel like taking with better lyches on the table if I was going to lynch Hoopia it would be a coin flip info lynch for me

[MariaR]

Please do not tell me I just spent 9 minutes looking at a post and giving a wall to someone I find null

[Sotty7]

I try to read but this is all over my head And sotty instead of pushing shades on the lurker maybe you should try to convince ppl why you aint scum.

I'm doing both. You're doing neither.

Are you saying you think Scum don't fakeclaim Mason? Because I have a nice bridge to sell you.

No. What I am saying is that if Victor is scum that will reveal itself over the next day or two as scum will have to kill him. Having people constantly throw doubt on his claim does little to help us right now because in a perfect world we need to keep his partner(s) hidden and force a night kill. Having every other person questioning his claim is a haven for scum.

VOTE: goodmorning

What do you think about her IAI vote?

It's not trollweirdscum, he had scum motivation for his actions. He wanted to cast doubt on people for mislynching greyice and definitely used that (IAI), and even though out of his victor read he couldn't "support" the wagon, he wanted greyice gone anyways as an experienced player so he didn't comment. His ISO is pure casting doubt on people with barely any push or commitment behind it, read what his focus was around the mid/end of yesterday.

This is a stretch. If GM wanted Grey gone she would have voted him. There was plenty of time for her to switch and she had been scum read BBT at the start of the game.

Sotty7: She didn't do much to be important, I didn't notice she was in the game

You should try reading again.

[goodmorning]

Also, no point in doubtcasting a mason this early.

This is not early and he's almost certainly not a Mason.

I think he's been more active today because he feels like he has to be. I think he wants me dead because he thinks nobody else feels enough doubt on him to cause him any trouble. And I think he thinks being active is the only way to accomplish that.

Are you saying you think Scum don't fakeclaim Mason? Because I have a nice bridge to sell you.

No. What I am saying is that if Victor is scum that will reveal itself over the next day or two as scum will have to kill him. Having people constantly throw doubt on his claim does little to help us right now because in a perfect world we need to keep his partner(s) hidden and force a night kill. Having every other person questioning his claim is a haven for scum.

And having everyone go 'oh no, he's Mason, it's fine' is a great way to accidentally confbias yourself into believing it 100%. I'm not arguing that we should lynch him today. I'm saying we shouldn't forget how sketchy he is.

It's not trollweirdscum, he had scum motivation for his actions. He wanted to cast doubt on people for mislynching greyice and definitely used that (IAI), and even though out of his victor read he couldn't "support" the wagon, he wanted greyice gone anyways as an experienced player so he didn't comment. His ISO is pure casting doubt on people with barely any push or commitment behind it, read what his focus was around the mid/end of yesterday.

This is a stretch. If GM wanted Grey gone she would have voted him. There was plenty of time for her to switch and she had been scum read BBT at the start of the game.

On the other hand, Grey was townreading me pretty hard, so I don't know that Scum-me would have wanted him dead.

(Actually, as Scum I would probably have pushed a lot harder against his lynch because I'd have known I was right. But self-meta, so...?)

[Jaack]

Goodmorning is town guys.

@Creature: Tell me about CloudKicker. Why is he town?

[Creature]

Can't tell rn

[Jaack]

Well... uh okay. When can I expect an answer?

[Creature]

idk

[Jaack]

This has been so useful a conversation...

@CloudKicker - Tell me about creature.

[goodmorning]

jaack why are you doing busywork questions

[Jaack]

Cloud and creature are in my "could be scum but I'm kind of meh" category. Creature's townread in cloud seemed like a good place to start working out that junk, but him refusing to give me a solid answer kind of put a pin in that.

[goodmorning]

that answers the letter but not the spirit

[BlackVoid]

Hate to interrupt but I haven't posted for more than a day so here are my token busywork questions to make it look like I'm doing something:

@GM, how do you feel about the idea of lynching Sotty7?

Besides IAI, who do you suspect and who are your townreads?

[CloudKicker]

@jack havent actively read the guy but he calls me town when he doesnt have and gets badcred from you for that , thats towny