Open 656- Tit For Tat - Endgame

[The_Jester]

Harkonnen97 has requested replacement.

[Infinity 324]

Bleh

[Kop]

You didn't really answer the second question.

I get that not answering questions can be scum-motivated, a lot of things can be scum-motivated. But in your experience, is it more likely to come from scum?

Voting without explanation I have seen from scum, but I've also seen it from town. It depends on how well you know the person doing it, to whether he has a history of doing it.

[Kop]

Harkonnen97 has requested replacement.

Is this frustration?

[Infinity 324]

You didn't really answer the second question.

I get that not answering questions can be scum-motivated, a lot of things can be scum-motivated. But in your experience, is it more likely to come from scum?

Voting without explanation I have seen from scum, but I've also seen it from town. It depends on how well you know the person doing it, to whether he has a history of doing it.

Fair.

[Infinity 324]

I'm surprised and somewhat annoyed that no one commented on my entrance so far.

[Infinity 324]

Spoiler: 16-20

I decided to just roll with the stronger townreads I have and try to re-evaluate the weaker ones. So after these pages FA, yuria, hark, and fancy are my strong townreads and eager, kop, and farside are the weaker ones.

First of all, She not He.

Second, you seem to agree with fire about needing a flip because we're getting nowhere. What are those questions going to prove post flip?

First of all, She not He.

Second, you seem to agree with fire about needing a flip because we're getting nowhere. What are those questions going to prove post flip?

Those questions relate to something we can look at post flip. We can possibly draw up associations, connections, information we can build on etc. We will get information post flip, but I'd like most information gained from a flip that we can get.

If she's town, how much of a connection can you get from someone who knows no one elses alignment?
If she's scum, how can you trust a wifomy list from someone who is getting pl regardless?

And is this a normal thing for you to advocate?

^^ town shit

I think texcat is lynchbait. You should sheep me.

Townreading the biggest wagon without reasoning sets off red flags for WKing for me, but gamma did the same thing but worse so idk

Liking farside so far, her tone seems similar to some town games I've played with her.

Fire is town, he's scumhunting without trying to look like he's scumhunting.

VOTE: NJAC

i agree, his reads are terrible this game. i think its bcz he's scum.

VOTE: NJAC

i agree, his reads are terrible this game. i think its bcz he's scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NJAC

Yep.

VOTE: Njac

VOTE: NJAC

Fucking hell, how quick were these votes apart.

I have NJAC in my null pile because I haven't seen a great deal to scum read him, but I wouldn't vote for him right now, until he actually gets in here and defends himself to this wagon.

But something unsettles me because of how quick things flipped over onto NJAC, with a few people actually reading him in a different light to voting for him. That makes me nervous.

UNVOTE: Texcat

I'm going to have to over read things again.

Why unvote here? Not concerned about cwing?

^ question to kop

[Infinity 324]

Only halfway done, this is boring :/

Someone ask me something

[Kop]

Spoiler: 16-20

I decided to just roll with the stronger townreads I have and try to re-evaluate the weaker ones. So after these pages FA, yuria, hark, and fancy are my strong townreads and eager, kop, and farside are the weaker ones.

First of all, She not He.

Second, you seem to agree with fire about needing a flip because we're getting nowhere. What are those questions going to prove post flip?

First of all, She not He.

Second, you seem to agree with fire about needing a flip because we're getting nowhere. What are those questions going to prove post flip?

Those questions relate to something we can look at post flip. We can possibly draw up associations, connections, information we can build on etc. We will get information post flip, but I'd like most information gained from a flip that we can get.

If she's town, how much of a connection can you get from someone who knows no one elses alignment?
If she's scum, how can you trust a wifomy list from someone who is getting pl regardless?

And is this a normal thing for you to advocate?

^^ town shit

I think texcat is lynchbait. You should sheep me.

Townreading the biggest wagon without reasoning sets off red flags for WKing for me, but gamma did the same thing but worse so idk

Liking farside so far, her tone seems similar to some town games I've played with her.

Fire is town, he's scumhunting without trying to look like he's scumhunting.

VOTE: NJAC

i agree, his reads are terrible this game. i think its bcz he's scum.

VOTE: NJAC

i agree, his reads are terrible this game. i think its bcz he's scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NJAC

Yep.

VOTE: Njac

VOTE: NJAC

Fucking hell, how quick were these votes apart.

I have NJAC in my null pile because I haven't seen a great deal to scum read him, but I wouldn't vote for him right now, until he actually gets in here and defends himself to this wagon.

But something unsettles me because of how quick things flipped over onto NJAC, with a few people actually reading him in a different light to voting for him. That makes me nervous.

UNVOTE: Texcat

I'm going to have to over read things again.

Why unvote here? Not concerned about cwing?

^ question to kop

I unvoted because I wanted to review the whole thing. I didn't like how it changed, and how quickly the wagon developed. I changed back to Texcat because I think I needed that flip to show me what I needed to know. If Texcat flipped scum, then I could look at that development on the NJAC wagon because I would like to think tex partner would be somewhere in that quick voting, because it was taking away from tex and latching onto a heavily town read.

[FancyPants]

I think texcat is lynchbait. You should sheep me.

Townreading the biggest wagon without reasoning sets off red flags for WKing for me, but gamma did the same thing but worse so idk

This is actually a really good point.

I've been feeling a bit disheartened since night since we're doing so badly but screw that I still wanna win.

Toying with NJAC and Farside scum team, need to look into it further, tonight hasn't been good.

[Infinity 324]

Literally nothing to comment on in 21-25

[farside22]

The amount of times of saying your in catch up with no other scum reads.
Opportunitistic jump on textcat and vague reasons for your scum read.
Oh wait apparently thinking I'm scum for voting you while still scum reading someone and you do the same thing.

1) What's wrong with not having other scum reads? What are your other scum reads? Also I said my wagon could be a counter wagon of texcat's, so I had a slight scum read on that slot. I'm currently saying that Harko could be scum, so that's another scum read.

2) I already explained my vote on texcat. I don't consider the reasons for my vote vague, I've been very concise about them.

3) Please elaborate in this one, because I'm not following what you're saying. What same thing did I do?

1) means your not giving reads and scum struggle to make cases or reads more,.where did the hark read even come from.

2) let's review that read on text

Spoiler:

I think texcat is lynchbait. You should sheep me.

texcat is a VI
it looks like ur case on her doesnt take that into consideration

I kind of agree with this.

Y'know I've been thinking that my wagon could have been a counter wagon to texcat's wagon. Thoughts anyone?

I don't really like Farside as an alternative to NJAC.

Textcat or Persephone would be better.

No man, those are not good lynches. Well, maybe texcat is a good one (though I need to reread and see if my wagon was indeed a counter wagon of texcat's).

Farside is an awesome wagon. You should really trust me with this one.

farside is still scum.

If I have to pick between Flubber and texcat, I'm voting texcat:

VOTE: texcat

Ask njac who he scum reads and why he voted textcat.
He's pretty great at dodging questions

I scum read you. I voted texcat because I preferred that slot being lynched over Flubber/Perse's.

What questions did I dodge?

Goes from calling text vi to possible counter to you (fake) to better wagon, yeah some great reasons there.

3) you voted text while calling me scum.

[FancyPants]

NJAC how to you reconcile calling Textcat lynch bait to prefering her vote to Persephone?

[Yuria]

vote: Njac

please explain you case on farside again.

To summarize my case on farside:

1) Sgz's posts are the kind of posts I've seen from newb scum. His jump on alban's wagon in his first post is especially bad, like a newb scum opportunistically jumping on a forming wagon. This is mainly gut, so I admit not being a strong point of my case.

2) Meta reasons involving farside's post style matching that of a game in which I played with her and she was scum.

3) Her opportunistic jump on my wagon, while throwing shade on Gamma at the same time.

4) Add to the above Mini's 538, 539, 542 and 544.

Farside is scum my friends.

Explain as in idgi. What is an "opportunistic jump" and why is it scummy.
And the meta thing is questionable at best when i checked. Are you going to explain it further?

[eagerSnake]

IGMEOY

[farside22]

Hi Infinity.
Can you summarize your scum reads?

[Fire Assassin]

I'm surprised and somewhat annoyed that no one commented on my entrance so far.

Game is pretty dead.

[Infinity 324]

Hi Infinity.
Can you summarize your scum reads?

I PoE my reads, especially early on. I find that it's not hard for scum to avoid looking scummy d1. So refer to my townreads in the 16-20 spoiler and everything else is my scumpool.

[Infinity 324]

Ok lol the only person I don't have listed is NJAC. So it's him along with maybe you, eager, and kop

[Fire Assassin]

I wonder why eager activity has died off

[NJAC]

NJAC how to you reconcile calling Textcat lynch bait to prefering her vote to Persephone?

Already explained. Also farside quoted my posts regarding that issue, just above your post, so please re read them because I'm tired of repeating the same.

[NJAC]

Explain as in idgi. What is an "opportunistic jump" and why is it scummy.
And the meta thing is questionable at best when i checked. Are you going to explain it further?

I'm not going to explain it further, I've already elaborated enough. Please read my posts. If you want more from me then at least answer my question:

@Yuria:

What's your case on me?

[Infinity 324]

The amount of times of saying your in catch up with no other scum reads.
Opportunitistic jump on textcat and vague reasons for your scum read.
Oh wait apparently thinking I'm scum for voting you while still scum reading someone and you do the same thing.

1) What's wrong with not having other scum reads? What are your other scum reads? Also I said my wagon could be a counter wagon of texcat's, so I had a slight scum read on that slot. I'm currently saying that Harko could be scum, so that's another scum read.

2) I already explained my vote on texcat. I don't consider the reasons for my vote vague, I've been very concise about them.

3) Please elaborate in this one, because I'm not following what you're saying. What same thing did I do?

1) means your not giving reads and scum struggle to make cases or reads more,.where did the hark read even come from.

2) let's review that read on text

Spoiler:

I think texcat is lynchbait. You should sheep me.

texcat is a VI
it looks like ur case on her doesnt take that into consideration

I kind of agree with this.

Y'know I've been thinking that my wagon could have been a counter wagon to texcat's wagon. Thoughts anyone?

I don't really like Farside as an alternative to NJAC.

Textcat or Persephone would be better.

No man, those are not good lynches. Well, maybe texcat is a good one (though I need to reread and see if my wagon was indeed a counter wagon of texcat's).

Farside is an awesome wagon. You should really trust me with this one.

farside is still scum.

If I have to pick between Flubber and texcat, I'm voting texcat:

VOTE: texcat

Ask njac who he scum reads and why he voted textcat.
He's pretty great at dodging questions

I scum read you. I voted texcat because I preferred that slot being lynched over Flubber/Perse's.

What questions did I dodge?

Goes from calling text vi to possible counter to you (fake) to better wagon, yeah some great reasons there.

3) you voted text while calling me scum.

I find the argument about the read switch on tex pretty compelling actually

[FancyPants]

I kind of like NJAC's attitude if not his behaviour.
I didn't like how he was inactive, then only became active when he had pressure on him, then went inactive after the pressure died a bit.
I also think Farside's argument has some merit.

That said when I ISO him I feel like their are some genuine posts there stuff like this 681 feels like townie arrogance. This is partly why I speculated about a NJAC, Farside double bus kind of vibe.
Basically NJAC is under pressure, so he decides to (rather than eagerly jumping on a townie wagon of either Text or Perse) make a case on farside and refuses to drop it, perhaps to make farside look good when he flips?
In fact there is very little emotion in their interactions. NJAC even pointed towards Farsides posts recently which I find quite strange coming from people who are supposedly at each others throats.

Anyway I still have confidence in my primary town reads; the Hark slot (also a town replace as I doubt scum Hark would replace out of such an easy position), FA, and Infinity/Gamma (part of the reason I didn't interact with you is because I already think your slot is town).

I'd say the second worst slot at the moment is eager, last game I played with him he spammed up the thread as town (251 posts), this game he's done 45 in about the same amount of pages. Not at all how I'd expect him to play, and he needs to give reads ASAP.

There's probably one scum in Yuria and Kop.

[Infinity 324]

Interesting.

Why that last line?