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[Foxbird]

Votecount 2.7

karnos

(1) - Thor665

Saru

(2) - aronagrundy, Lowell

Thor665

(2) - karnos, ironstove

Fire Assassin

(1) - PenguinPower

LmkGuy

(1) - Fire Assassin

Lowell

(2) - Saru, LmkGuy

Not Voting

(2) - Nero Cain, AlpacaAlpaca

With

11

players eligible to vote, it’s

6

to lynch!

Day 2 will end in

(expired on 2016-11-11 12:47:28).

Mod Notes:

None!

[Lowell]

Is there a case on LMK outside of the lurk?

no unless you want to buy into the theory that he's an Alpaca buddy b/c he kinda lightheartedly embraced it and left himself some leeway to bus if needed.

After a quick scan of Alpaca's ISO there isn't too much to go off. He was reasonably active at the start of the game, but dies off (presumably due to mid terms). He really hasn't posted too much, but he asks a lot of questions, without answering much himself, and also gives a lot of blanket statements.

I'm hesitant to call this scummy behaviour, but it does tend to lean that way imo. I've decided his early game play is enough to carry him through for now. It's hard to get a full read on him as he hasn't really been posting a lot of content since he started mid terms. Maybe when he gets back and starts posting I will reconsider a vote, based on his play.

Still not caught up, but this caught my eye. Literally the same page Nero (sort of) calls out lmk for his interaction with alpaca, lmk posts this. Since lmk complains there's no case on him, here it is again. He lurks, then when he does post he refuses to take a stand on anything he can't immediately back away from. This reads as coaching, trying to coax alpaca back into the game now that his name is mentioned again. Or, at very least, setting up a safe vote for himself on someone who won't fight back in case he needs it.

I could easily see an lmk/alapaca pair. My only reservation being that they're BOTH such lurkers that it's hard to imagine them orchestrating a mislynch on D1.

Going to go back and look at D1 saru wagon dissolving into mal wagon next. I think it's an either/or situation though. Either this was a scumled derailment of saru-scum wagon or this lmk/alpaca lurker-alliance. But probably not both.

VOTE: lmk

[ironstove]

This game is a joke.

[PenguinPower]

Prod dodge, will be down to lynch Thor if Saru isn't happening

I don't have a strong town read on anyone but I'll stick with my lynch on Thor as well

Why? Can someone that's not karnos explain to me why Thor is scum as they would if I was an 8 year old?

[ironstove]

Strong resistance to the lynch indicating scum don't want to join, former read from the Tracer slot + current interactions with Thor/Karnos/Saru.

My assumption is that if Thor flips town, Karnos is scum, whereas if Thor flips scum, then Nero is also scum.

[PenguinPower]

current interactions with Thor/Karnos/Saru.

Talk to me about why these interactions makes you scumread Thor.

[Nero Cain]

This game is a joke.

so is your play

[ironstove]

current interactions with Thor/Karnos/Saru.

Talk to me about why these interactions makes you scumread Thor.

Nero has never applied pressure to the Tracer slot, his scum read on alpaca is for the same reasons applicable to Tracer, but he has avoided doing so.

Later on Thor comes in aggressively trying to build a case on Karnos with Saru, later flips around to Saru, in this entire time Nero is distancing himself from Thor and town reads him, refuses to vote Thor.

Nero later creates a case on Mal's slot, an afk player and pushes everyone to lynch the slot despite very weak casing.

I vote the mal wagon because I'm afraid of a no-lynch, and I think flipping mal as town in the end is more productive than having a no-lynch.

After mal flips town, nero attempts to pin the mal mislynch on me. Either nero is playing really bad, or he's obv scum, however his adamant defense of the Thor slot without reason makes me want to flip thor first in order to determine if my reads are correct.

This is why my scum read on Nero is contingent on Thor's flip.

Now Nero is attempting to target another AFK slot, alpaca and most likely will try to pin the lynch on one of us, he is delaying time, PP you are also delaying like hell. What on earth are you waiting for?

I have been saying 'LYNCH THOR' for all of D1, I will say it all of D2, and if I'm still alive D3, I will say lynch him all of D3 as well.

All of the town players this game are mega passive and refusing to either take lead and build strong cases OR afk and refusing to join on a wagon that provides information.

The mal wagon was horrible because A. mal had almost 0 interactions in this game so his wagon gives 0 information on who is town or scum, all I've been able to glean from this is that NERO/THOR is most likely a scum pair, but THOR's flipping scum will solidify it.

If you're not sure, then just sheep me.

[ironstove]

I honestly hate giving long winded explanations, but honestly we need to flip thor, vote thor everyone..............!!!!!!!!

[Nero Cain]

So I didn't buy the Tracer wagon. big deal. It seemed like the Tracer wagon was solely about him being inactive. What did he do that was "OMG SO SCUMMY!" that I should have seen?

Meanwhile, Mal was being a lurksack

WHILE

posting it up elsewhere. Yes it flipped town. Who should I have suspected as shepping scum?

[ironstove]

Alright, explain to me why you are scum reading alpaca and why you are town reading tracer/thor please.

[PenguinPower]

Spoiler:

current interactions with Thor/Karnos/Saru.

Talk to me about why these interactions makes you scumread Thor.

Nero has never applied pressure to the Tracer slot, his scum read on alpaca is for the same reasons applicable to Tracer, but he has avoided doing so.

Later on Thor comes in aggressively trying to build a case on Karnos with Saru, later flips around to Saru, in this entire time Nero is distancing himself from Thor and town reads him, refuses to vote Thor.

Nero later creates a case on Mal's slot, an afk player and pushes everyone to lynch the slot despite very weak casing.

I vote the mal wagon because I'm afraid of a no-lynch, and I think flipping mal as town in the end is more productive than having a no-lynch.

After mal flips town, nero attempts to pin the mal mislynch on me. Either nero is playing really bad, or he's obv scum, however his adamant defense of the Thor slot without reason makes me want to flip thor first in order to determine if my reads are correct.

This is why my scum read on Nero is contingent on Thor's flip.

Now Nero is attempting to target another AFK slot, alpaca and most likely will try to pin the lynch on one of us, he is delaying time, PP you are also delaying like hell. What on earth are you waiting for?

I have been saying 'LYNCH THOR' for all of D1, I will say it all of D2, and if I'm still alive D3, I will say lynch him all of D3 as well.

All of the town players this game are mega passive and refusing to either take lead and build strong cases OR afk and refusing to join on a wagon that provides information.

The mal wagon was horrible because A. mal had almost 0 interactions in this game so his wagon gives 0 information on who is town or scum, all I've been able to glean from this is that NERO/THOR is most likely a scum pair, but THOR's flipping scum will solidify it.

If you're not sure, then just sheep me.

So, tl;dr version is Thor is scum because Nero is scum and distancing/refusing to vote Thor. Then why aren't you voting Nero? If x is scum, and y is scum because of x, you should vote x to prove y. Not the other way around.

[ironstove]

I already indicated that flipping thor provides more information that nero at this stage of the game, so I'm not sure why you're asking me this question. You have it mixed up, nero being scum is contingent on thor being scum, and if you re-read my iso instead of asking the same question that i've answered multiple times before, we wouldn't have to make filler posts like this.

lol this is a very slow unresponsive game

[Nero Cain]

Why should I answer your questions when you avoid mine like the plague?

As far as I know the Tracer wagon was "he's not posting alot so this has to be scum!" There was also a "this is scum replacing out!". It doesn't seem like a very good case to me so I didn't vote it. And all I've seen so far is "vote Thor, thor is scum!" add nauseam.


I didn't really like Alpacas early game and I'm wary that your slot and LMK's slot were lukewarmly bussing.

[Nero Cain]

Thor flips town, who is scum?

[Thor665]

Later on Thor comes in aggressively trying to build a case on Karnos with Saru, later flips around to Saru

I will agree that I built a case on Karnos.
I don't recall flipping on Saru - in fact I'm pretty sure part of Karnos' issue with me is that I townread Saru, and part of Saru's case on me is that I'm buddying him.
I'm pretty sure at least one of you is insane at that stage.

After mal flips town, nero attempts to pin the mal mislynch on me.

He did not do that.
He was pointing out that Lowell's case wasn't good and explaining why - you then acted like he was attacking you.

[Nero Cain]

TBF, I

was

entertaining the idea that him and Grey were scum that were hesitant to vote Mal at first but then chose to take the free mislynch.

Who do you think I should think were the scum sheeping me on Mal?

[PenguinPower]

I already indicated that flipping thor provides more information that nero at this stage of the game, so I'm not sure why you're asking me this question. You have it mixed up, nero being scum is contingent on thor being scum, and if you re-read my iso instead of asking the same question that i've answered multiple times before, we wouldn't have to make filler posts like this.

lol this is a very slow unresponsive game

Your statement is not supported by your evidence. Let's take a look.

Spoiler: Why Thor is Scum - The IronStove Saga

Nero has never applied pressure to the Tracer slot, his scum read on alpaca is for the same reasons applicable to Tracer, but he has avoided doing so.

Thor is scum because Nero never applied pressure to the slot even though he did to Alpaca. Thor is scum because of Nero.

Later on Thor comes in aggressively trying to build a case on Karnos with Saru, later flips around to Saru, in this entire time Nero is distancing himself from Thor and town reads him, refuses to vote Thor.

Thor is scum because he presents a case, aggressively (pot/kettle), and Nero distances himself from, town reads, and refuses to vote Thor. Thor is scum because of Nero.

Nero later creates a case on Mal's slot, an afk player and pushes everyone to lynch the slot despite very weak casing.

Nothing to do with Thor. Guessing you think this makes Nero scum.

After mal flips town, nero attempts to pin the mal mislynch on me. Either nero is playing really bad, or he's obv scum, however his adamant defense of the Thor slot without reason makes me want to flip thor first in order to determine if my reads are correct.

Nero tries to pin a mislynch on you, and is defensive of the Thor slot without reason. You want to make an illogical decision. Thor is scum because of Nero.

This is why my scum read on Nero is contingent on Thor's flip.

This is why - illogical statement.

Now Nero is attempting to target another AFK slot, alpaca and most likely will try to pin the lynch on one of us, he is delaying time, PP you are also delaying like hell. What on earth are you waiting for?

Nero is doing scummy things and I'm brought up. No mention of Thor.

I have been saying 'LYNCH THOR' for all of D1, I will say it all of D2, and if I'm still alive D3, I will say lynch him all of D3 as well.

Admission of tunneling and intent to do nothing but tunnel.

All of the town players this game are mega passive and refusing to either take lead and build strong cases OR afk and refusing to join on a wagon that provides information.

Anger people don't agree with you.

The mal wagon was horrible because A. mal had almost 0 interactions in this game so his wagon gives 0 information on who is town or scum, all I've been able to glean from this is that NERO/THOR is most likely a scum pair, but THOR's flipping scum will solidify it.

Admission that you were on a horrible wagon that provided zero information. Illogical statement.

If you're not sure, then just sheep me.

Um, yeah, no thanks.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: ironstove

Sorry, I couldn't keep my promise, FA. Next time.

[Thor665]

Who do you think I should think were the scum sheeping me on Mal?

Not sure who you're addressing on this.
My answer is, not surprisingly, Karnos.

[Saru]

Going to go back and look at D1 saru wagon dissolving into mal wagon next. I think it's an either/or situation though. Either this was a scumled derailment of saru-scum wagon or this lmk/alpaca lurker-alliance. But probably not both.

Hopefully you get around to not actively avoiding my 811. That'd be great.

I already indicated that flipping thor provides more information than nero at this stage of the game, so I'm not sure why you're asking me this question. You have it mixed up, nero being scum is contingent on thor being scum.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all your scum reads are by association at this point, yeah?

What are your individual reasons for each scum read you have that don't include other people. For example, taking Nero out of the picture, why is Thor scum on his own? And then taking Thor out of the picture, why is Nero scum at all? I don't really understand either scum read of yours without the other being present, which is bleh.

[PenguinPower]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all your scum reads are by association at this point, yeah?

What are your individual reasons for each scum read you have that don't include other people. For example, taking Nero out of the picture, why is Thor scum on his own? And then taking Thor out of the picture, why is Nero scum at all? I don't really understand either scum read of yours without the other being present, which is bleh.

I wrote a

saga

about this. Don't detract from it please. You could vote the stove-man though.

[ironstove]

Is PP this bad or is he scum?

[PenguinPower]

Is PP this bad or is he scum?

Solid response. A++.

[ironstove]

Who are your scum reads besides me PP?