Open 54 - Basic 12 Player (over) before 529

[Patrick]

That's the second time Patrick has done that.

Done what?

[Glork]

A newish/weak player intentionally makes a stink in a thread, being vocal but not particularly logical.

I don't think this describes apple's posting at all. His original vote and change of vote were pretty lowkey, and what little he said thereafter were responses, consisting mostly of variations on "I was just messing around". So I'd dispute both "intentionally makes a stink"

and

"vocal".

I'm talking about his early play, which is what he was being run up for, unless I'm horribly mistaken.

It's obvious that he's gone entirely inactive since then, and likely needs replacement. I consider that to be somewhat separate.

[Glork]

EBWOP: See, this is my problem. Everything makes

perfect

sense in my head, but explaining it so that everyone fully understands what I'm thinking is incredibly difficult. Seriously, oftentimes

I

don't even fully understand what I'm thinking. I just think it.

[Ripley]

I'm talking about his early play, which is what he was being run up for, unless I'm horribly mistaken.

It's obvious that he's gone entirely inactive since then, and likely needs replacement. I consider that to be somewhat separate.

So am I talking about his early play. There isn't any other play to talk about. When I said I disputed both "intentionally makes a stink" and "vocal", I was referring to his behavior when he was posting, not the subsequent silence. Do you really think those terms are accurate? You've said "Apple's play strikes me as being fairly protown," as part of your justification for proclaiming him innocent, but I wouldn't recognise him from the description you used.

I also can't understand the logic whereby you called Patrick inconsistent.

[Glork]

I suppose "intentionally making a stink" is somewhat exaggerated. He posted a lame comeback and has goofed around for the most part. The only seriousness in his posts was to explain his nonseriousness.

In the first three game-days, he made seven posts, which is certainly vocal. He since then has made one post in the last two weeks (which came back on Nov 11).

[Ether]

2 Andycyca (IH, Patrick)
2 wank (Elmo, Andycyca)
1 appleof88 (Ripley)
1 Elmo (Crub)
1 IH (JDodge)
1 Patrick (Shanba)
1 Ripley (appleof88)

3 Unvote (Glork, Sikario8, wank)

12 alive; 7 to lynch.

Apple picked up his prod--which was issued over 72 hours ago.

[Elmo]

Glork: Perhaps shockingly, I know exactly what you're talking about. I know this is probably going to look like buddying up, but I also (again) agree with everything you said. I guess I had pretty much the same thought about apple, but I tend to distrust myself more, because I don't have your level of experience. Actually, this is a tad weird, it's almost exactly what I'd thought you say. But in a good way.

o O

EBWOP: See, this is my problem. Everything makes

perfect

sense in my head, but explaining it so that everyone fully understands what I'm thinking is incredibly difficult.

I also get this. FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY GUYS CAN WE PLEASE JUST LYNCH HIM BECAUSE HE'S SCUM ALREADY. >.>

Ripley: He calls Glork "a lil' bitch", he ain't exactly lying low, is he? Glork's right, anyway. Or at least it makes utter sense to me.

I think Andy is the player who bothers me the most right now, and his last post seems surprisingly scummy to me.

This bit makes me feel very ungood for some reason. I'd say Andy's been getting better as time goes on, and he was hardly that scummy to being with, just a lil' interesting. Just what exactly is wrong with his last post? And who's he copying? Why're you throwing out that type of vague accusation that scum love so much about someone who's been the popular wagon, but past the point where anyone cares? You weren't much into him when he had four votes on. Or in fact,

at all

, previously.

*squints suspiciously*

The Patrick wagon is a good wagon. I am liking Shanba quite a bit, right now. Actually I'm going to be a bit arbitrary and

unvote

:

wank

and

vote

:

Patrick

'cos that post makes me feel all queasy.

I truly hate lynching 'non-contributors' but I don't see a better lynch at the moment. And we can't just not lynch people because they don't make sense, because the meta will be horrific. So, uh, yeah. Let's hope this produces something interesting.

[Patrick]

This bit makes me feel very ungood for some reason. I'd say Andy's been getting better as time goes on, and he was hardly that scummy to being with, just a lil' interesting. Just what exactly is wrong with his last post? And who's he copying?

I don't think he has been getting better as time goes on. I don't actually think he's done that much at all, despite posting. As for copying, look at his posts. I think that's about the fourth one where he copied someone almost exactly. In that last case, he copied Glork, and me, and used it to turn his (presumably) random vote, into a non random vote. Wank, if protown, looks like an easy target because he's annoying everyone and making zero sense.

Why're you throwing out that type of vague accusation that scum love so much about someone who's been the popular wagon, but past the point where anyone cares? You weren't much into him when he had four votes on. Or in fact, at all, previously. *squints suspiciously*

Not true. Read my posts. I didn't have a vote on him, but he has been one of my suspects for a while. Not heavily suspicious, but this game hasn't been one of the quickest off the ground anyway. You present it as though my vote came out of nowhere. Apple has only been very minorly suspicious to me, and Crub and wank haven't come off as particularly scummy in our debates. I decided to put my vote on my top suspect. I'm not sure how the fact that he had 4 votes earlier is relevant.

I truly hate lynching 'non-contributors' but I don't see a better lynch at the moment. And we can't just not lynch people because they don't make sense, because the meta will be horrific. So, uh, yeah. Let's hope this produces something interesting.

Non contributor? No, I've contributed more than alot of people. How the hell am I a non contributor when 3 people haven't said or done anything at all? I'm annoyed by this.

I'm going home this weekend, and sadly, the computer is broken. So no internet access this evening, all of saturday, some of/most of sunday. Just a heads up.

[Elmo]

No, macca, I mean crub / wank are non-contributors. You're fine on that front, and I apologise if I gave any other impression. I meant: I'm hoping this vote produces something interesting (from someone), otherwise we'll have to fall back to lynching a non-contributor.

Apple and sikario need to be doing more, too. Where's sikario got to?

I'll read the rest in a bit but I wanted to say that now.

[Glork]

Pretty sure Apple/Sikario are going to end up getting replaced. :twocents:

[Ripley]

Apple and sikario need to be doing more, too. Where's sikario got to?

Pretty sure Apple/Sikario are going to end up getting replaced. :twocents:

Sikario's sig says he's away for a week on school break. I guess that includes the coming weekend so we may see him back on Monday. When he was here he was cluttering up the thread with a load of useless posts about how he was reading but had nothing to say. In posts 141/142 he even manages to split this information over two posts. My guess would be that if he returns we'll get a string of updates on his progress catching up with reading the thread, a process he'll manage to string out till deadline, without having given us a word of content along the way.

We now know that apple picked up his prod but has still not posted. As far as I can tell from the rules:

I will seek a replacement for anyone who has not picked up a prod for 48 hours or has requested replacement.

... we're stuck with him, posting or not, if he picks up prods and doesn't request replacement.

Then there is JDodge, probably the worst offender of all. Since Ether didn't mention him picking up his prod, perhaps we can get him replaced?

Mod

: are you replacing JDodge?

If all these three are still with us, resisting replacement and not posting/not posting content by deadline I'd support a lynch of any one of them.

Ripley: He calls Glork "a lil' bitch", he ain't exactly lying low, is he?

You know, it didn't strike me that way at all. In fact I barely even registered it other than as meaningless noise amidst the other page 1 meaningless noise. If a comment sounds a bit familiar or provocative I just assume the players have a history and it's a private joke.

In the first three game-days, he made seven posts, which is certainly vocal.

I don't think that's anything like a definition of vocal. It ignores the length and quality of the posts, and the number and quality of posts made by other people during the same period. apple's posts were response-type posts, generally brief and bringing absolutely nothing new to the game, and made at a time when the thread was busy. My dictionary defines "vocal" as "resounding; talkative; outspoken; eloquent;" - I don't think apple qualifies. However, I'm probably starting to nitpick here. I'll accept that your definition of vocal differs from mine.

[Shanba]

That's the second time Patrick has done that.

Done what?

Jumped on a wagon just as it's taking off.

[wank]

I am probably a post away from replacing myself. You guys are doing essentially what Oman did in my last game and it's really stupid.

Which is... what, exactly? Disagreeing with you?

And voting me on that basis? Me thinks you scum?

[wank]

I do not feel that this debate has directly helped either you or Patrick find a scumbag.

Why is that everything one does must be done for the sole purpose of hunting scum?

[wank]

Actually I'm going to be a bit arbitrary and

unvote

:

wank

and

vote

:

Patrick

'cos that post makes me feel all queasy.

What?

[wank]

My 2 cents, I've never played with wank-scum, but this play is consistent with wank-town.

Feh. But he's so

unhelpful

to playing mafia. :/

Unvote

What's helpful? Why did you unvote?

[Elmo]

Why is that everything one does must be done for the sole purpose of hunting scum?

If you're here for your comic timing or witty repartee, your talents may be urgently needed elsewhere.

Actually I'm going to be a bit arbitrary and

unvote

:

wank

and

vote

:

Patrick

'cos that post makes me feel all queasy.

What?

I don't like that post. You know, the bits I quoted, and talked about, right next to where I voted. Are we there yet?

[Glork]

My 2 cents, I've never played with wank-scum, but this play is consistent with wank-town.

Feh. But he's so

unhelpful

to playing mafia. :/

Unvote

What's helpful? Why did you unvote?

I've already stated that I believe Crub to be likely protown, and so I'm giving some weight to his assessment of your play. It's enough to not want you dead immediately.

I'd like to see you post a list of every player in the game with at least a sentence or two on what you think of that player's alignment and why you've arrived at those conclusions. That would be helpful. Practially all of your recent posts have been unhelpful.

[wank]

That's a fairly bold decision to make based on a mere belief of another's alignment. I was hoping for a more original reason for lack of a better word.

[wank]

I can assure you have I have the comical talents of a brick. Sometimes, I find it easier to identify the scum nots than scum.

You prefaced with your vote with the word arbitray amid a forest of reasoning and I am afraid your reference to said post is ambigious. Please clarify.

[wank]

Helpful is listing everyone's alignment? I can play that game.

I am of the opinion that everyone is a townie as there is no evidence to suggest the contrary.

[Ether]

Mod

: are you replacing JDodge?

I didn't mention JDodge because he responded in-thread--I am not seeking a replacement.

Officially, a prod on Apple or JDodge would be his second today, opening him up for replacement or at least a stern talking to if he continues to not post. (Having said that, I'm going to pre-emptively prod both of them now.)

[JDodge]

Unexpectedly busy = not fun

[IH]

7. 7 prostitutes.









I mean hi, shall catch up tomorrow when I'm on high speed (le wewt for college)

[Crub]

I find it amusing that elmo considers anyone that has a negative opinion of him is a non contributor.