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In post 1272, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:I said that from your perspective I am voting you because you are the most popular wagon. That is the way you see it. If you have a scumread on me for that, you must also accept that I can have a genuine scum read on you for voting the most popular wagon. Also, I said "at worst". I do not know whether you genuinely scumread me (I'm not telepathic) but I know I genuinely scumread you. You are free to cast shade on that but if you do then you must also accept that others can have genuine suspicions about your read on me.
Your case is slowly degrading into outright misrep.
~Maker
How did I misrep you?In post 1255, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:I am phone posting here. I may have time to go in depth tomorow. Here is the Skrub stuff I noticed.
It was more gut from your tone from just skimming your posts. Like I said, I will go into more detail when I explain in depth.In post 1168, Skrub wrote:
You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?In post 1160, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrubmore".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.
~Maker
I'll go in depth on my Skrub read later.In post 1208, Skrub wrote:
Nah, that's what maker did. I'll go in depth on my Cakez read laterIn post 1207, Vifam wrote:
Just seemed to me like you saw the wagon building up on you and just voted for the brand new counterwagon cuz you were in a shitty spot.In post 1204, Skrub wrote:
What's bad about it?In post 1176, Vifam wrote:Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad
Why do you think SirCakez is scum
In all honesty, you accuse me of doing a lot of things that you do yourself.Your posts seem very like you voted the most popular wagon and attempted a justification.Vifam picked up on it and you are now accusing me.
At best, you are no better than me. At worst, this is outright hypocrisy.If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.
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Don't wirry; I'm doing walls sooner or later.In post 1086, rb wrote:Mhsmith this game has 30 players aint nobody gonna read ur walls
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This is an opportunistic vote. "Yes, let's give a generic read on the other competing lynch wagon besides me." That's exactly what this post is.In post 1139, Skrub wrote:I think Sircakez and maker of zanos are scum. Especially maker. Nothing about him screams town to me.
VOTE: maker
I'm still not sure why there's a wagon on me, but if you guys have any questions for me I'll answer all of them. This weekend has been much busier than I expected but I'll finally be able to be more active tonight.
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More generic reasons and nitpickeyness.In post 1141, Skrub wrote:Sure. He's wagon hopping like crazy, and when the wagon formed on him he tried way too hard to seem like he didn't care by self voting. But that just made him seem more desperate. Plus he made this horrible post earlierIn post 939, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:
What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.In post 840, Expedience wrote:
A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.In post 404, Vedith wrote:
Worried that you will be lynched so early?In post 402, Expedience wrote:Actually though, you should probably unvote me.
I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here
His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.In post 405, Killthestory wrote:
i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump onIn post 403, Expedience wrote:
also this is scumIn post 390, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:
Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.In post 372, Expedience wrote:
How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.In post 368, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:
You feel overanalytical.In post 283, Expedience wrote:
Hey, my reads are:In post 265, kraska77 wrote:seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum
I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town
NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.
House / rb are unreadable to me atm.
Everyone else didn't do enough to tell
~Zanos
PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.
Alright, thanks for actually telling me.
Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience
That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.
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I agree. Lets let him do things.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.-
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As if your vote was any better. Gut reads are fine occassionally; obviously, we are going to review your posts to make a final read, but your posts currently feel scum-motivatec & we dont have the time to go through the ZISO immediately.In post 1156, Skrub wrote:
This is weak sauce. The fact that you said you need to analyze me later implied that you voted me without even reading my posts. And then you said this vote is "better than nothing" which feels like you don't even really believe that I'm scum. This guy needs to be lynched.In post 1153, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:VOTE: Skrub
You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.
I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.
~Maker
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Spoiler: Real Folks - Scrub ISO - Day 1
I actually read this slot as tunnelled on this slot and frustrated with the wagon on him; looking at the ISO, I disagree with my other head's idea that Scrub is scum; the lack of noise brings out the frustration in Scrub's posts. The one thing I want to watch is how Skrub's reads evolve especially after this post.
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Spoiler: Real Folks - Diamond ISO - Day 1
Main question --> Does Diamond ALWAYS have this far-fetched and bad logical reasoning for doing stuff? Or is he faking ineptness this game?
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I'm not really sure about him anymore. I didn't like his iso because all of his posts are fluff, but people post like that as town and as scum so I guess that's not alignment indicative. But then he started saying that I'm obvscum and need to be lynched without really saying why he thought that. He made a couple of posts like that but it didn't feel like he was really trying to get me lynched. It felt weirdIn post 1277, rb wrote:I wanna hear more about scum sircakez-
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I'm gonna do my Maker ISO after this
Like I said earlierIn post 1082, rb wrote:there's like 10 slots either not voting anything useful or just not voting, i wanna kill one of those more than maker
why PL when we can SL instead?
I want them gone too but it's better to lynch legit scummy people then useless people.
No, I think the self-vote was NAIIn post 1120, Expedience wrote:
The self-vote is tactical and (mostly) not motivated by frustrationIn post 1083, mhsmith0 wrote:DS is a mild scum read for me at this point. Not a huge priority sort but I don't see the obv!town there. MoZ just seems bad rather than obv!wolf to me, and the IMO self-vote continues along that vein. Some of that may simply be me being over-sensitive to that after watching Ranger pull similar shit as town in open 642 (including the shitty self-vote), but I'm starting to come around the idea that shit like that actually does come more often from town, even though it never ever ever should. In this case, it's conceivable that they're scum/SK giving up, but it's also plausible that they're town giving up. I know Ircher (who I think was making those posts) is bugged by being a lynchbait type, so I can reasonably see him getting pissy and pulling a stunt like that out of frustration at being wagoned. Obviously it could be him pulling a scam and faking it, but I just don't see why it's wolf-indicative instead of essentially null. I'd still much rather wagon RachMarie at this point.
They're pissed off to an extent but only because they think their play isn't any worse here compared to when they're town, and they should be able to get away with it.
I'm not saying all self-votes are scum, in fact in my experience most I've seen are town. But reading something like that should always be based on the way in which the player self-votes, and here it was fake because they weren't even close to being lynched, they claimed not to understand why they were being wagoned, and they kept posting all this "qq i always get lynched" stuff drawing out the AtE when town would've just gone away or unvoted if they were actually frustrated. You can't just look at it like "they performed an action which was null in itself".
Especially considering it's Ircher as part of the hydra, who usually gets super frustrated for stupid reasons
And I've done stupid things like that before as town, even when not close to being lynched.
Still waiting for you to talk about your scumread on me. I am very intriguedIn post 1139, Skrub wrote:I think Sircakez and maker of zanos are scum. Especially maker. Nothing about him screams town to me.
VOTE: maker
I'm still not sure why there's a wagon on me, but if you guys have any questions for me I'll answer all of them. This weekend has been much busier than I expected but I'll finally be able to be more active tonight.
Considering how big the game is, it's highly likely it's multiball or at least a 3rd party of some sort. So those two don't necessarily have to be scum together.In post 1144, rb wrote:so he thinks drixx + skrub are scum, i don't see that combo making much sense unless we somehow got all town on both those wagons. i guess there's 30 players so it's possible, but at 1 point it was looking like it'd be a wagon-competition between those 2 - i feel like if one of them are scum, the other shouldn't be scum
This is total bullshitIn post 1156, Skrub wrote:
This is weak sauce. The fact that you said you need to analyze me later implied that you voted me without even reading my posts. And then you said this vote is "better than nothing" which feels like you don't even really believe that I'm scum. This guy needs to be lynched.In post 1153, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:VOTE: Skrub
You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.
I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.
~Maker
Maker has obviously read their posts from the way their post was worded.
And I have no clue how he could have gotten from "better than nothing" to "don't believe I'm scum"
I'm not even townreading Maker (despite this and my bit about the self-vote being NAI) but this seems like completely made up reasoning to back up his vote.
aha thank youSkrub wrote:
I'm not really sure about him anymore. I didn't like his iso because all of his posts are fluff, but people post like that as town and as scum so I guess that's not alignment indicative. But then he started saying that I'm obvscum and need to be lynched without really saying why he thought that. He made a couple of posts like that but it didn't feel like he was really trying to get me lynched. It felt weirdIn post 1277, rb wrote:I wanna hear more about scum sircakez
I was fluffing in the pregame yes
I said why I was scumreading you (and just added some more above), so I'm not sure how you're getting that I "didn't really say why I thought that"?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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@Maker That's one of the weakest "cases" I've ever seen. You just said that you think my posts are generic. That's not inherently scummy and its not like there's much I can say to defend myself. I don't think my posts have been generic and I'm sure you'll say that in your opinion they look that way. All I can say to that is okay. That doesn't really invite any discussion and its a safe way of casting shade.-
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Ok yeah Maker_of_Zanos's ISO is pretty awful.
My issue is Ircher is one doing the posting mainly and he's SUPER lynchbaity. I'm awful at discerning whether he's Ircher being Ircher or Ircher being scum. And BTD6 is lynchbaity too.
I would put them at a scumlean I guess for the vote hopping, which isn't something that I wouldn't write off as their lynchbaity-ness. But their awkwardness....yeah.
I said your early vote was overexplained + your reaction to being wagoned was badSkrub wrote:@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?
Also I don't think I said this, but you contributed basically no content besides "OMG why am I being wagoned???" after that early vote.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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EBWOPIn post 1290, SirCakez wrote:Ok yeah Maker_of_Zanos's ISO is pretty awful.
My issue is Ircher is one doing the posting mainly and he's SUPER lynchbaity. I'm awful at discerning whether he's Ircher being Ircher or Ircher being scum. And BTD6 is lynchbaity too.
I would put them at a scumlean I guess for the vote hopping, which isn't something that I would write off as their lynchbaity-ness. But their awkwardness....yeah.
I said your early vote was overexplained + your reaction to being wagoned was badSkrub wrote:@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?
Also I don't think I said this, but you contributed basically no content besides "OMG why am I being wagoned???" after that early vote.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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What was bad about my reaction? And what content have you contributed?In post 1290, SirCakez wrote:Ok yeah Maker_of_Zanos's ISO is pretty awful.
My issue is Ircher is one doing the posting mainly and he's SUPER lynchbaity. I'm awful at discerning whether he's Ircher being Ircher or Ircher being scum. And BTD6 is lynchbaity too.
I would put them at a scumlean I guess for the vote hopping, which isn't something that I wouldn't write off as their lynchbaity-ness. But their awkwardness....yeah.
I said your early vote was overexplained + your reaction to being wagoned was badSkrub wrote:@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?
Also I don't think I said this, but you contributed basically no content besides "OMG why am I being wagoned???" after that early vote.-
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Read my spoiler on you, thanks.In post 1289, Skrub wrote:@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?
There's two kinds of reads: gut/reactionary reads & iso reads. The ISO reads are what matters in the long run whereas the gut reads are potientally biased.
The gut reads or reactionary reads are the ones I post as I go through the thread; they tend to deal with some kind of issue, but sometimes, I'm just scanning through & get a biased perspective on things. They deal with the stuff that catches my attention the most which 70% of times means posts involving myself although there are other posts that occassionally catch me.
ISO reads let me go back through a person's post without all the surrounding noise and reevaluate. Sometimes, they result in the same conclusion, but a good number of times, my position changes after rereading the posts in isolations.
90% of the reads I provide are gut/reactionary reads. 10% or less are ISO reads and they are almost always put in spoilers.- "Zanos, the world of Light and Darkness, is led by its leader, the one who possesses a fragile balance between the Light and the Darkness."-
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It didn't actually try to progress anything. Just asking why you're being wagoned then leaving isn't town at all.
Not that much admittedly, but not the basically nothing you had contributed at that point.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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How does that not progress anything? I want people explain their votes so I can understand who actually believes I'm scum and who was just being opportunistic. And I left because I have a paper due tomorrow and I didn't start it until last night. Up to this point you've still done basically nothing.In post 1296, SirCakez wrote:It didn't actually try to progress anything. Just asking why you're being wagoned then leaving isn't town at all.
Not that much admittedly, but not the basically nothing you had contributed at that point.
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