Newbie 470: Trouble at Mount Excitement - Mafia Wins!

[Charms86]

But then again...

How often is everyone checking on this game?
I check it about 2 or 3 times a day sometimes and was aware of Dark_Lady's vote on TSPN before she retracted it.

Was everyone else aware of it?

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

I'm here like every chance I get, because I have 3 games going on.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

So, it looks like at least me and charms noticed the vote when it went up. Unless joubert and sl are scum lamenting a missed opportunity (and then why would joubert defend dls), the scum-didn't-notice theory seems farfetched.

I'm going to be out of town this weekend. What are the chances we can come together on a lynch by then?

[Charms86]

I doubt it.
It seems like you and Dark_Lady are the only ones who know who you want to vote for.

I think the rest of us are still on the fence. Am I right about this?

Better to be slower and catch the scum than be quick and lynch the wrong person...

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

These are the reasons why TSPN thinks I am scum:

1) I claimed at L-1

2) I voted him immediatly on day 2


These are the reasons as to why these things happaned:

1) Thats kind of how people are supposed to claim. It was even mentioned in the begining of the game that a claim was something to 'fall back on'.

2) Because I seriously believe he is scum that knew I was cop from day 1 and has been out to get me ever since. I believe he was the one who pushed for MS night kill so it would be easier for him to come after me.

The only problem I'm having is choosing his scum buddy. I hear he is having the same problem with me.....

[Joubert]

I still don't understand how anyone could have been so sure of Dark Lady's role even before she claimed...

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

Well...MS was and he got killed for it.....

[BrianMcQueso]

Vote Count!

No votes!

How exciting!

[Joubert]

Well...MS was and he got killed for it.....

I say "how", not "who", although they are anagrams of each other...

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

Well...MS was and he got killed for it.....

I say "how", not "who", although they are anagrams of each other...

Well 'how anyone' kind of tranlates into 'who'.....kind of.....

[Joubert]

Ah, that's right, my bad. Reformulation:

I still don't understand how

some

one could have been so sure of Dark Lady's role even before she claimed...

Is it better?

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

ummm..... 'someone' and 'anyone' are basically the same words...... but it doesn't really disprove my observation. MS was the only on who was sure that I was the cop before I claimed and he got killed for it. Just because you didn't understand it and some one else did, doesn't make it any less true.

I don't understand how becuase he's gone it some how means that I'm scum. Why would I (or anyone) kill my only line of defense? It doesn't really seem like anyone is thinking about that, namely TSPN. He's sticking to the things that make me look scummy (which is like 2 main things) and not even trying to see why I'm not. He's ignoring my arguements and still pushing my lynch, and he's getting away with it becuase no one else is looking at my reasons either. He doesn't have to make a strong arguement against me because he knows none of you really trust me anyway, especially now that MS is gone. It's too easy for him and he knew it would be. I'm very tempted to just put my vote on him anyway and then see what happens........

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

I have a very fleeting suspision that both TSPN and Joubert are going to eventually come together and try to get me lynched......I wonder why I feel that way....

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Alright. To be clear: I am not going to vote you because you claimed at L-1. That is very much misrepresenting my argument. I will, however, vote you because you were highly defensive and generally tripped my scumdar Day 1, claimed cop, and

then

voted me Day 2.

And this is why DLS claimed to have investigated the nightkill. In the event that she gets lynched, she has given the town no new information to work with. As for killing her 'only line of defense,' that rather leaves out that I defended her Day 1 also, and is sort of a stretch anyway. I don't see MoS as absolutely defending DLS Day 1, I see him taking a wait-and-see approach. And if she truly thought MoS was her only line of defense, the only person who she could trust, why would she investigate him?

[Charms86]

TSPN, could you tell me again why you feel so confident that Dark_Lady is scum?...

Because she claimed cop at L-1

, and then no one tried to kill her. Because she voted for me, even though were she town, she should have been concerned about a quicklynch. Because she voted for me only because "I went back to my default plan of trying to get rid of her."

Your arguments might be more convincing if you stick to the same story...

Unless you just meant it was suspicious that no one tried to kill her after she claimed cop? You're meaning is a little unclear here.

[Charms86]

Oh, and I agree about MOS, I don't think he was 100% sure that Dark Lady was the cop. I think he was picking up on her hints though.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Yes, I meant that no one tried to kill her during the night is suspicious. The claim itself wasn't particularly suspicious, but it also in no way clears her, since scum about to be lynched would claim at L-1 just as much as an actual cop would.

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

I told you why I investigate MoS, and I never said anything about me trusting him. I said you guys trusted him a whole Hell of a lot more than you trusted me, and I investigated him becuase I wanted to make sure that he wasn't defending me for the wrong reasons. Joubert already agreed with me on that point if my memory proves correct.....

[Joubert]

Well, that was not exactly why. I did agree mostly because I thought the investigation choice was legitimate since MoS dropped the hammer suddenly and without any explanation...

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

Well.....you said the investigation was legitimate but you didn't say why so I just assumed.....

Oh and..... @TSPN

As for killing her 'only line of defense,' that rather leaves out that I defended her Day 1 also

Does this hurt your feelings some how or do you simply keep repeating this point to make yourself look better? You only said anything positive about me after I claimed, and as far as defending me goes that was only when Joubert wouldn't stop ranting about my claim. MoS stayed fairly far away from the bandwagon on me and was the only one who eventually got Joubert to shut up (No offense Joubert).

How about we try not repeating the reasons why you think I'm scum and try to nullify the points I have made that prove I'm not? Maybe then I too would stop repeating myself and being so defensive......

Which brings me to another point. You don't think being defensive (overly or otherwise) is cause for suspisions. It's really hard for me to not be defensive when I feel like no one is listening to me. Day 1 it really felt like you guys were either talking about me, infront of me or talking to me but still not really caring about anything I had to say. So of course when I'm trying to make a point that people keep ignoring I'm going to get upset and become defensive. You guys put me at lynch -1, what other choice did I have but to claim? You guys weren't really listening to anything else I was trying to say.

[Joubert]

I think the suspicion comes from the fact that you investigated a dead person. I think also that there should be at least one or two other reasons why you investigated MoS, appart from my hammer hypothesis...

Prod request: ShadowLurker

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

I told you why I investigate MoS, and I never said anything about me trusting him. I said you guys trusted him a whole Hell of a lot more than you trusted me, and I investigated him becuase I wanted to make sure that he wasn't defending me for the wrong reasons. Joubert already agreed with me on that point if my memory proves correct.....

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

Alright....it's been 2 days. Did every one go out of town or have family come over and just not say anything?

[Joubert]

That's a possibility... I think the most dead one is ShadowLurker...

Dark Lady, I guess you'll have to defend on the point of not being killed on Night 1. It doesn't prove anything, but it's still something that makes you suspected by a few people...

[Dark_Lady_Shaiann]

Ummm.....I didn't get NKed as a way for the mafia to highten suspisions on me. There isn't really anything else I can say about that. If your actually going to push that as a reason it is obviously becuase you know I have no real way of defending myself in that respect, and the way I kind of see it is that only you and TSPN suspect me. Both Charms and SL, from what I can tell, seem to be on the fence but fairly weary about coming after me. They haven't really stated how they feel about me, but they haven't really done a whole lot of questioning me either.