Micro 651: Worst (Role) Idea(s) Mafia 2 (Fin - Town Win!)
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Both confirmed scum with Skrub.
Easy game, easy money.I claim scum \o/-
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Although your vote is good, who's to say that he's a bad SK?In post 35, Skrub wrote:It really does sound like you're claiming SK
I believe there is town SK's in the thread I'll look later to confirm.I claim scum \o/-
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No harm in trying. Playing that double double fakeyIn post 50, TierShift wrote:Town, you have no benefit in lynching me. I will fullclaim day 2.
Ari, get some town points and vote with me.
VOTE: TierShiftI claim scum \o/-
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Yeah, he's obviously scum trying to play the "I'm neutral" card.In post 93, Skrub wrote:You're voting tiershift lol. Can you explain the reads you have so far?
Scum/not town
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We have what, 2 neutral claims so far and neither of them seem like a SK with their play or comments.
So that's 3 neutral if true, meaning only 1 scum.
If lying, they are scum trying to hide as neutral.
I claim scum \o/-
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Because he's either scum or probably gains something anti town if targeted at night.In post 105, +__+ wrote:@Tier
In post 63, +__+ wrote:Why don't you just fullclaim now and let us decide if its better to lynch you day 1 or 2?I claim scum \o/-
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He's scum or anti town.In post 107, Vaxkiller wrote:In your opinion, he's scum or scum?
In a "normal" game I would agree, but something tells me it's a "worst idea" to give townies new abilities if targeted at night.
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Regardless, he's a good lynch for today.I claim scum \o/-
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In post 50, TierShift wrote:I am third party and I am requesting that the SK teams up with me. SK, you can do that by killing me at night.In post 50, TierShift wrote:I am requesting that the SK teams up with me.In post 50, TierShift wrote:I am requesting that the SK teams up with me.
In post 50, TierShift wrote:I am requesting that the SK teams up with me.
You want to team up with the SK. This means that you can win with the SK.
And you have already said that you will team up with them, meaning you are not teaming with town.
This is why you should be lynched.I claim scum \o/-
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Tier is talking bullshit. To know that he would change the SK win con means that he either screws over the SK (which hes already claimed doesnt) or it would give knowledge of the SKS wincon to him, which I highly doubt.
I can see scum pulling this gambit, even more so if they gain something out of it tomorrow.
If he was truly confirmable tomorrow and can't die tonight then there would be no reason not to full claim and let us decide if it's believable.I claim scum \o/-
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You claimed that the SK can team up with you (your words, not mine), you have claimed to not be town.
This alone is anti town.
You claimed that the SK win condition changes when targeting you.
I do not recall seeing a role in the thread where you change the wincon on an SK (or possibly anyone attacking you).
You have not "basically" claimed your role, you are saying that you can be confirmed on day 2. If this was true, and you have a night immunity which you are implying, then you would claim this.
SK targeting you does not confirm your role.I claim scum \o/-
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Then you have a different view on "teaming up".In post 141, TierShift wrote:I already explained how the teaming up works so fuck off
You haven't really explained it apart from SK wincon is changed.
This could help the SK against us. Why should we take that chance for you to give a bollocks claim tomorrow?
As it stands, you are easily the closet person to being scum here.I claim scum \o/-
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No one wants you here, Ari! :<In post 142, Aristophanes wrote:Would agree on either!I claim scum \o/-
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This is scum/anti town 100%In post 152, TierShift wrote:Right. Because I didn't want to be lynched.
I hope you see that the SK is more likely to target me if I frame it as teaming up rather than changing winconI claim scum \o/-
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Because the entire focus then goes to them in game.In post 157, Vaxkiller wrote:How is people coming out of the third party closet (announcing themselves) bad for us??
That's bad imo... This would be good for scum though, to hide under the radar... That's just my 2 pence, carry on.I claim scum \o/-
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See, this is neutral that I trustIn post 166, Maruchan wrote:Plus, I haven't indicated that I CAN'T win with the town, nor have I indicated a willingness to win with any other faction, unlike Tierce, so you'd think that you'd be more willing to listen to me than to tierceI claim scum \o/-
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See, I just don't like how Tier is wording stuff and changing stuff.
He's already confirmed that he doesn't have the same wincon as us.
After re checking my role pm, Iwin with town. This means that there can be no neutral or scum alive.Only
We already know 2 non town players. We cannot win with either. This means a maximum of 2 more non town. But as Ari already stated, it could mean that there are 7 town.
Today we really should be lynching where we know.I claim scum \o/-
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In post 193, TierShift wrote:My role says I can win with town
You can see that this is an out right lie.In post 194, TierShift wrote:I exit the game when I win
How can he win with town, while his win con happens before game end?I claim scum \o/-
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Tier gains something over night, or has something tomorrow during the day.In post 199, Jaack wrote:@Vedith - We lynch Tier today and skrub tomorrow, sound good?
This is why he's trying to push to survive until tomorrow. Otherwise he wouldn't claim to be confirmed tomorrow without actually telling us what is it.
I worry that his win con involves removing him and another player.I claim scum \o/-
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I had nothing to add or say on the matter.In post 203, Skrub wrote:Nobody has any comments on this?I claim scum \o/-
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@Ari - Why do you think that the hammer was an accident?
So we have to consider 2 killing powers tonight.
If this is the case, a mistake lynch is 3 town going in with the possibility of 2 deaths.
This is the thing with Skrub. As scum/sk he gains nothing by wanting to keep Tier alive, not even town cred. The focus on Skrub just seems easy.
If he was scum he would have been all over the Tier lynch from the start.
If he was sk he would have taken the lynch just to take the idea of him being sk away.
I don't think that he should be lynched on the Tier voting reason.
Jaack seems overly confident that I'm town here. I could have asked the mod of a standard wincon before hand so this worries me but apart from that I get town solid plays.
Work time - more on this laterI claim scum \o/-
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I don't understand you here. Do you think that I contradict myself in other games or no?In post 283, Vaxkiller wrote:I'm not sure what to think about you anymore Vedith. I'm pretty sure I've heard you contradict your self here compared to other games.I claim scum \o/-
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Why could I not be defending him as a gain?In post 301, Vaxkiller wrote:The only thing keeping me from thinking your scum is the fact you could have just jumped on the easy Skrub lynch wagon, but instead you defended Skrub.
If Skrub is scum / sk and I'm the other, then surely I want to keep him alive to help kill town, and given theat I defend him, makes me less likely the night kill.
So what now? This was the only reason for you to think of me as town, correct?I claim scum \o/-
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His action don't make sense from a scum side. I don't feel him as scummy from his posts or hammer, the game was getting stale.In post 306, Jaack wrote:Yeah, Ari is pretty town. Are you townreading Skrub due to everyone jumping onto his wagon, or are there elements of his play that you find to be towny?
I might be able to come around on a vax lynch, but I want Skrub to make a more substantial case about vax before I commit to anything
Ari instantly thought this as well (Still want Ari to reply to me about it).
Does this mean you don't like Light for scum?
I can see him jumping on Skrub as an easier vote.I claim scum \o/-
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In post 310, Skrub wrote:Calling me an easy lynch and town reading him for defending me makes it sound like you already know that I'm townI claim scum \o/-
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Okay, so here's the thing.
I'm the SK, but I'm town. Functioning Sociopath to be precise.
There's no reason for me to out myself if I wasn't town here, but I feel that people are looking at finding a SK too much.
Given that there can be another SK, but we could be looking for 2 scum here.
I also put this to show that I'm a good SK if needed.In post 43, Vedith wrote:Although your vote is good, who's to say that he's a bad SK?
I believe there is town SK's in the thread I'll look later to confirm.
I killed the other nuetral last night as well.
I think you should full claim if we need to lynch you, Ari.
Unless me being town SK changing the out come?
The way I see it, we had 2 kills yesterday, 1 being me, so possibly only 1 kill tonight without me shooting.I claim scum \o/-
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Okay. Well considering that you claiming gives a most likely chance that you are lynched I feel comftable with you being town.
Before anyone says - "Whine whine whine, that's what Ari would want people to think to not get lynched" Nah, Ari was at no risk what so ever to be lynched today or even tomorrow without results.
Town just has to consider this tomorrow if the game isn't over.
@Ari - Can you vote if someone unvotes first?
So we are at 6, with 4-5 town.
1 kill last night (apart from mine) suggests 1 faction/killer or I was also attacked (given with most SK's, I had BP).
The kill made makes me think that we are dealing with 1 scum/sk that was worried about being caught.
We can either lynch (my favour is still in Vax or Light) or we can no lynch and go for 5 people tomorrow (if I don't shoot).
This also gives us a chance to gain further information on results etc while eliminating the pool (scum won't kill Ari regardless if he's marked as town).
Opinions from everyone?
One thing to consider it could be LyLo tomorrow.
We also have things like Alien faction with a delayed kill etc to consider.
I won't be shooting Ari tonight though.
@VaxKiller - No, I can only win with town.I claim scum \o/-
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I do feel that you trusted me as town a little too easy, but I'm normally paranoid over that anyway so not sure what to think on it.In post 343, Vaxkiller wrote:@Vedith, do you really subscribe to what Skrub is saying or do you have a different opinion on why you think I'm scum?
The fact you think Skrub is scummy doesn't make you scummy but I think you are wrong there.
My biggest concern is where no one really had an opinion on me claiming town SK, and there is no actual way to prove it until I die or game ends.
Ari is a very strong town read and Skrub/Jaack seem less likely to be scum. I do worry that I'm being blind sided though.
So overall, I think Skrub has something on you which I share interest, its just down a different route.
It's really hard to say.In post 344, Jaack wrote:@Vedith - If there is scum outside {vax, light} who is most likely
Light seems to be skimming by while we poke fingers imo. Out of the 2 I'm starting to think that Light is more likely to flip scum and I actually liked Vax's reaction to Jaack as town.
Light also went straight for the Skrub vote which before day start looked promising from a scum perspective.
Gun to the head, I'd choose Light right now.
Thought edit - tired and read wrong. Outside of it Skrub would be scum over Jaack and Ari imo.I claim scum \o/-
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How is questioning it trying to make it look like a scum slip?In post 404, Jaack wrote:It's probably nothing.
It could be a scumslip. It could be you trying to make it out as a scumslip.
At the end of the day, there's no problem questioning it. I don't have concern on the comment itself, I make those comments here and there.
What I didn't like was the explanation within 1min of making the comment. It seemed more of a panic rather than a stating the obvious.I claim scum \o/-
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