Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree with you ooba that is what they SHOULD do, but I doubt either of the two will..

your reasoning number 2 is what got my vote for Tar.

[ooba]

3 Mafia , 3 Wolf , 8 Townie
Day 4 : Kill one Wolf

Night 4 :

Mafia try to kill our most probable wolf suspect
a) It fails . Peers informs us tommorrow
b) It actually hits a townie thereby we get no information with which about the wolves from Peers and lose a townie too

Wolve's will target someone
a) They hit Mafia . It fails
b) Townie dies

Best case Scenario for town : Peers hits wolf. Wolves target a mafia. Peers tells us about the wolf - we get the information about the second mafia from the second wolf

Worse case Scenario for town : We lose two townies

Now there's always a possibility that the mafia or wolves will backstab us but right now they WILL want to help the town .. You should read both their posts - both of them are more than willing to help

I actually planned to claim Wolf from the beginning of the day. Why the hell would I do this? Simple: it's in my best interests to sacrifice myself if I think I can take out two Mafia (and thanks to Kanaga, I think that I can). Same for the Mafia re: the Wolves. You'll have to trust me on this - know that at this point I have no reason to lie about scum motivations.

Keep me alive, lynch the Wolves instead, and a townie gets to survive... -and- you have me around for if you think you're in LILO...

And yes, I have a very good reason for wanting to see a Wolf or two dead before I go...

[Kanaga]

Sorry guys, been really busy. I'll catch up and post in the morning.

[cicero]

Oh Kanaga... You're in for a big surpriiiiise...

Personally I don't go with "You're gonna have to trust me on this". Tar is so full of shit.

[Kanaga]

Ok, nevermind, I looked a bit and now I must post.

Unvote:CKD

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Vote: Tar

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After looking through it, Tar seems like the best choice. I'm not sure what else to say, at this point the game is more about opinions then suspicions.

[cicero]

Hey Kanaga, are you in the mafia? Just curious.

Signed,

Cicero.

[ChocolateAttack]

Wow! what a supprise! a mafia and a wolf got revealed.

unvote

[WhoMe?]

By the way, is we are going to try and direct the scum's kill targets, does that mean we need to get claims from the people to be targeted? Do we really want more town power roles potentially outed at this point?

Vote Tar

[ooba]

By the way, is we are going to try and direct the scum's kill targets, does that mean we need to get claims from the people to be targeted? Do we really want more town power roles potentially outed at this point?

Vote Tar

Yes , we are now in a position which is as good as Day 5 .. Think of it like that .. We would have gone after the most suspicious person and got a claim from him like always before lynching him or deciding not to and moving onto someone else - this is analogous to that ..

And the town should direct the mafia's kill target - wouldn't have it any other way ..

[WhoMe?]

they don't have to take our direction. Yes they want to ekiminate wolves, but they also want to confuse us and ultimately win.

[WhoMe?]

oh and its not quite analogous. NK's won't work on scum, but will pinpoint them for future lynching IF we can believe the scum acted as directed, but if they hit a townie BANG they are gone. Or worse, if they hit a protected townie, we may thing they are scum. This needs great care.

[ooba]

they don't have to take our direction. Yes they want to ekiminate wolves, but they also want to confuse us and ultimately win.

Ultimately yes but right now both the wolves and Mafia would be more than willing to help us eliminate the other scum group numbers - atleast until they are one up on the other group - so i'm not saying we should blindly follow them - But we can be sure Peers will want to out one wolf before he goes to give his team a advantage ..

]oh and its not quite analogous. NK's won't work on scum, but will pinpoint them for future lynching IF we can believe the scum acted as directed, but if they hit a townie BANG they are gone. Or worse, if they hit a protected townie, we may thing they are scum. This needs great care.

About the protected townie problem , we just tell the doc not to protect anyone today - a simple solution - so we know a failed NK would mean scum.

And how different is possibly lynching a townie Day 5 compared to asking Mafia to target them today?

Again : Its in the best possible interests of the mafia and wolves to help us catch atleast one member of the other group since they already have one outed member in each group to gain an advantage

[Dead Rikimaru]

in 1925, the former Italian Prime Minister Vittorio Emanuele Orlando stated in the Italian senate that he was proud of being mafioso, because that word meant honorable, noble, generous.

NINTH VOTECOUNT

Tarhalindur

(5) - Peers , ooba , curiouskarmadog , Kanaga , WhoMe?

Peers

(3) - Tarhalindur , ZONEACE , davidangelsummers

ZONEACE

(1) - Kison

Not voting

(5): cicero , IH , Flyinghawk , Twomz , ChocolateAttack

Needed for a lynch: 8 votes
Negotiable deadline: 22 days

If by deadline no one has 8 votes player with more votes is lynched
If two players have same number of votes lynch is decided by duel

[curiouskarmadog]

About the protected townie problem , we just tell the doc not to protect anyone today - a simple solution - so we know a failed NK would mean scum.

I disagree with this statement, I think the doc should protect ooba

[WhoMe?]

if we are goign the directed scum route, then isn't Peers the lynch for today? He can be overriden by his Godfather, whereas Tar is claiming Alpha wolf.

[curiouskarmadog]

are we assuming that they have godfather's too?

[WhoMe?]

going off tar claiming alpha, I think we can assume a symmetrical role of godfather

[curiouskarmadog]

going off tar claiming alpha, I think we can assume a symmetrical role of godfather

where did Tar claim alpha?

[WhoMe?]

Gee, what a surprise, I'm a wolf (the wolf who's been guiding the kill decisions, no less - my reasoning lies behind all three wolf kill attempts so far).

i had took this to be an alpha claim. I see on re-read that I have put too much into it.

[Flyinghawk]

SO both Tar and Peers have claimed, and the question is who to vote for today. Peers claimed first, which originally led me to believe he would be the better vote. Tar has been acting more scummy, though, and if we lynch Tar and he comes out wolf, that would give me more faith in CKD and Ooba being wolfs as well.

Vote:tar

and depending on how the night goes, tommorows vote should be either Peers or CKD.

[curiouskarmadog]

and if we lynch Tar and he comes out wolf, that would give me more faith in CKD and Ooba being wolfs as well.

please explain to us the logic behind this statement?

[cicero]

Flyinghawk's whole post shows an astonishing lack of reading comprehension.

"IF Tar is a wolf?"

Tar is "ACTING MORE SCUMMY"??

wtf?

[Tarhalindur]

SO both Tar and Peers have claimed, and the question is who to vote for today. Peers claimed first, which originally led me to believe he would be the better vote. Tar has been acting more scummy, though, and if we lynch Tar and he comes out wolf, that would give me more faith in CKD and Ooba being wolfs as well.

Vote:tar

and depending on how the night goes, tommorows vote should be either Peers or CKD.

So, you want the town to focus on the mafia over the wolves, when doing so is (from this wolf's inside perspective) the biggest scumtell in the game? You want to give a free pass to Peers and instead focus on a possible member of my group? And you're doing so in a way that gives me very strong scum vibes for various reasons (pity the obvious example is ongoing...)?

Yeah, I think that Flyinghawk pretty much just claimed Mafia there. Pity we can't lynch two people at once...

Big Fat FoS of DOOM: Flyinghawk

Also, a hint: lynching a wolf over a mafioso tomorrow is a Bad Thing for the town. It allows the mafia to, I don't know, fulfill their win condition, provided that they can whittle down the town fast enough.

Or, I could be making things up like the scumbag I am. You decide!

[WhoMe?]

Tar - if we kill a mafia today, then it allows the wolves to, i don't know, fulfill their win condition. or am i missing something?

[Tarhalindur]

Tar - if we kill a mafia today, then it allows the wolves to, i don't know, fulfill their win condition. or am i missing something?

Hmm. Perceptive.

Perhaps there is an acceptable compromise here for all sides.

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

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