Mafia 69: noXkill - Game over!

[WhoMe?]

we have one scum unmasked. He has accused others. There's all kinds of information up for grabs. I want to hear what cicero has to say.

[curiouskarmadog]

seriously, why would we want to end the day before this discussion is finished?

unvote

also i find your unvote quite funny, seeing that you have been on every bandwagon the entire game, and you were all types of ready to hang me, even after my claim (right right there was a misunderstanding)..but now you want the discussion to continue and unvoted a claimed scum

noted again.

the only thing that really is needed here is Tar to comment.

[curiouskarmadog]

we have one scum unmasked. He has accused others. There's all kinds of information up for grabs. I want to hear what cicero has to say.

Ooba..."Lolz" is no answer to what he is saying.

Mafia + Wolf + one sorceror = Dead CKD

CKD = alive!

Claim already smelled like horsecrap.

Mafia needs to get wolves lynched. They can NK sorcerors.

The wolves are fucked in this game and we are down to finding two more mafia.

Thanks Peers.

Maybe just Maybe Cicero is just stupid and didn't think it all through.

I need to consider your points about the Doc motivation and about the inconsistency in Peer's logic re Tar's identity.

On your side is that I can't figure out why Ooba would ask that question if he was a wolf.

I'm just posting this to tell you that I'm here and I'm considering the evidence. Back later with what is hopefully some decent logic and a good decision on who to believe.

Suspect and accuse away in the meantime. Fair is fair.

you have a question for him?

[WhoMe?]

whenyou claimed the discussion wasnt that interesting

I'm not scum

yes you are

repeat as necessary.

This is a totally different scenario.

[curiouskarmadog]

whenyou claimed the discussion wasnt that interesting

I'm not scum

yes you are

repeat as necessary.

This is a totally different scenario.

I am what?

[WhoMe?]

You're in an awfully big hurry for a townie, CKD. If I hammer I'll have to wait until tomorrow to make an argument that you are scum.

And if you wolves tear me to pieces in the night I'm quite unlikely to be able to do that.

Which is what I think is exactly what you want.

Now - slow your roll, lad. I'll be along in a minute.

i'm waiting for his follow up to this. You seem to be very worried about this for a townie....

[curiouskarmadog]

This is a totally different scenario.

the scenario is different? sure is..we actually know who scum is versus all those other times that you voted not knowing, right?

I claim sorcerer, you keep your vote on me

Peers claims mafia, you unvote.

yeah, I see the difference

[WhoMe?]

I was saying, when yoour wagon was progressing the discussion consisted of

CKD: "I'm not scum"

followed by your accusers

"Yes you are"

This is different.

[WhoMe?]

You don't see the difference?

Peers is scum, we can take that to the bank. He can be lynched whenever it is most advantageous for the town, and we now need to milk this situation for all the info we can.

[cicero]

Is there a reason you're suddenly in such a rush? We can't NOT lynch right today. Lots of people should get to chime in. What exactly are you afraid of having happen, CKD?

[curiouskarmadog]

You're in an awfully big hurry for a townie, CKD. If I hammer I'll have to wait until tomorrow to make an argument that you are scum.

And if you wolves tear me to pieces in the night I'm quite unlikely to be able to do that.

Which is what I think is exactly what you want.

Now - slow your roll, lad. I'll be along in a minute.

i'm waiting for his follow up to this. You seem to be very worried about this for a townie....

what makes you think I am worried about this post? All I said was "noted"...you read "worried" in that post?

[WhoMe?]

no, i read worried in your continued aggro at us not having finished peers off yet

[curiouskarmadog]

Is there a reason you're suddenly in such a rush? We can't NOT lynch right today. Lots of people should get to chime in. What exactly are you afraid of having happen, CKD?

where are you reading fear? I am just excited that we finally have scum....but you are right, people should chime it...just think, if you had hammered, the town would not seen Capt bandwagon unvote a claimed mafia.

[curiouskarmadog]

no, i read worried in your continued aggro at us not having finished peers off yet

so, what does that tell you? I must be scum right? You really want to go down this road again? I want to lynch scum, what about you?

again, do you have any questions for cicero? I dont think he has a follow up post. Cicero is right though, I would like others to chime in..

especially tar.

[WhoMe?]

Yes I want to lynch scum, and Peers is the lynch for today whatever else develops. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush etc. My position is now that we KNOW he is scum, there is no reason to speed lynch him.

[Twomz]

I am leaving this afternoon for ren faire... man, I wish I had internet access, the game is finally picking up! I will be back Sunday.

[Tarhalindur]

Yeah, Peers' claimed Mafia target is totally BS. It's not like the outed scum is fooling anyone. If he was telling the truth, CKD would be very dead right now... which he is not.

Wouldn't ooba like friends right about now?

LOCK ON: Peers

[Dead Rikimaru]

In reference to a man, mafiusu in 19th-century Sicily was ambiguous, signifying a bully, arrogant but also fearless, enterprising, and proud, according to scholar Diego Gambetta.

SEVENTH VOTECOUNT

Peers

(5) - Tarhalindur , ZONEACE , davidangelsummers , ooba , curiouskarmadog

curiouskarmadog

(1) - Kanaga

ZONEACE

(1) - Kison

Twomz

(1) - ChocolateAttack

Not voting

(6): cicero , IH , Peers , Flyinghawk , Twomz , WhoMe?

Needed for a lynch: 8 votes
Negotiable deadline: 23 days

If by deadline no one has 8 votes player with more votes is lynched
If two players have same number of votes lynch is decided by duel

[ooba]

Yeah, Peers' claimed Mafia target is totally BS. It's not like the outed scum is fooling anyone. If he was telling the truth, CKD would be very dead right now... which he is not.

Wouldn't ooba like friends right about now?

LOCK ON: Peers

Tar stop trying to protect your wolf buddies by acting like you still are a 'Watcher' (and Hence paint us 2 sorcerers more scummy in the town's mind)... Heres a recap

Night 2
ooba(killerbob) protects CKD
doc protects CKD
Mafia (Peers) hit CKD

Night 3
Wolf (You) hit Peers
CKD protects ooba

Day 4
CKD has to claim ...
You see he saved me so you know Peers has to be scum
You invent a roleclaim
Breadcrumb the false roleclaim when voting for CKD
But i claimed saving CKD from lynch
So you used the opportunity to claim and outed peers ..
Peers is outed . But in the process , he outed you ...

You are the Day 5 lynch .. No doubt in my mind ..

[WhoMe?]

ooba, given that yoiu and ckd werent given each others identities, isnt it a large coincidence you have been protecting each other?

[Peers]

On the other hand.... you have one claimed Mafia. You have several strong Wolf suspects. Lynch me today, and it'll take you three more days to eliminate the wolves. That's two possible kills a day for three days, one a day after.. Keep me alive, lynch the wolves first, that's two possible kills a day for two days, one a day after.

Keep me alive, lynch the Wolves instead, and a townie gets to survive... -and- you have me around for if you think you're in LILO...

And yes, I have a very good reason for wanting to see a Wolf or two dead before I go...

[ooba]

ooba, given that yoiu and ckd werent given each others identities, isnt it a large coincidence you have been protecting each other?

CKD appeared pretty pro town Day 2 so i can see why killerbob chose to protect him ..
CKD choose to protect kison day 1 and not HonaryHitchhiker(who killerbob replaced - who i replaced) .. So he has protected me just one night ..
From a objective perspective , yes , 2 sorcerers protecting each other back to back is a pretty large coincidence but it does not mean its not possible especially considering their actions were leaning sufficiently towards pro town when they were protected ..
And if the dual sorcerer was a big wolf ploy don't you think we would have chosen to claim that we have protected different targets?

And for my (and CKD's) defense ..
i) Notice that i was the first to doubt Tar's claim. (of course you could view this as early distancing and a ploy to earn townie points)
ii) I did ask Peers about the Night 2 question and i did specify that i would not to see him hammered before he does ..

Tar is a wolf . He and the other two wolves would like it if the town believed I and CKD were wolves .

PS : Don't know if you noticed it but peers confirmed a 3-group scum pairing

And now, the revelation of the entire Wolf team: CKD, Ooba/killerbob, and Tarhalindur. Three people, working together to get me indisputably revealed and lynched.

[ooba]

EBWOP : 3 Member scum groups

[Peers]

And yes, I have a very good reason for wanting to see a Wolf or two dead before I go...

PS : Don't know if you noticed it but peers confirmed a 3-group scum pairing

And now, the revelation of the entire Wolf team: CKD, Ooba/killerbob, and Tarhalindur. Three people, working together to get me indisputably revealed and lynched.

Three wolves. Which would match against a Wolvesbane and two Sorcerors. The Mafia have only revealed one doc, although you can bet there's one more anti-Mafia role out there... and most likely, only one. Lynch me, and the wolves are one step away from taking the town uncontested. Lynch Tarhalindur, and the odds are even.

[ZONEACE]

Ugh, vote peers, go to bed and all hell breaks loose.

So first of all, HUZZAH for finding a mafia member. Next, i think we have to seriously consider everything peers has revealed. He has more reason to reveal wolves than throw false suspicion on townies because he can still win if he's dead, but only if the wolves get lynched (since his scumbuddies can't NK the wolves).

giant FOS CKD

for two reasons. First because of what peers revealed. If it's true (which like i said we have to seriously consider) then Tar is DEFINITELY a wolf (theres no way he's a mafia cause peers would never bus his own team after he's already claimed) and CKD and Ooba are likely wolves. and second because CKD was so eager to end this day before we had oppurtunity to get all the information we could. VERY ANTI-TOWN