Mini 1830 - Game Over

[eagerSnake]

Lol.

This is House's case.

[eagerSnake]

House keeps linking people to this page because he thinks it's full of the best possible advice for town: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... afia_Q%26A

Well, if you scroll to the bottom of that page, there is another link from the same author here, about scumplay: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _on_MS.net

Use AtE and self-meta. If someone calls you out on the AtE/self-meta, [Laugh]. (A "lol" should suffice.) You are now unlynchable.

Lol you are horrible

VOTE: eagerSnake

I've had enough of your noise pollution.

Can you explain these reads?

Nope. I'm done talking to you.

My read is solid and I have no further use of our interaction.

Thanks Snake. You're on my would lynch list, but that explanation helped you quite a bit.

Lol.

Lol.

Why is he using the "How to win every scum game" strategy?

[eagerSnake]

Forgot the part about self-meta:

I'm Exhibit A of town that plays like scum.

I lolhammer.
I fake claim.
I naked vote.
I tunnel with derp reasoning.

According to your worthless theory, I'd have been lynched in every game I'm town, and lived in every game I was scum (where I don't do those things).

You need to sit back and stop preaching from in high like you have all the answers, because your read is garbage.

Spoiler: A few actions that are scumtells

Not doing anything pro-town.
Actions not matching claimed motivations.
Claiming to have town motivations, but doing nothing to advance the town's cause.
Hiding.
Avoiding digging or giving opinions.
Fear of drawing attention.
Deliberate lurking.
Worrying over whether they look scummy.
Discouraging discussion.
Refusing to make a case on anyone.
Asking lots of questions, but not doing anything with the answers.
Making judgements about how you yourself would play as scum.
Defense based on an always being scummy or anti-town meta.
Pushing others to contribute opinions without contributing their own opinions.
Not finding anyone scummy.
Trying to avoid attention more than help find scum.
Thinking that posting their honest opinion will hurt them.
Coming up with bogus arguments for calling someone scum.
Aggressively defending themselves.
Being more worried about not being lynched than about finding scum.
Deliberately playing in a way that hurts the town.
Intentionally not being useful.
Claiming survivor.
Thinking X is being dumb town and staying off their wagon despite X's scumminess.
Faking a PR.
Encouraging the town to just lynch randomly.
Not taking a close look at anyone but one person.
OMGUS arguments.
Calling people scummy because they disagree with them.
Doing something scummy and then later trying to pass it off as a "joke."
Lying.
Disbelieving an argument on a townie but jumping on the bandwagon anyway.
Softclaiming.
Attempting to stall their lynch by stating they have a case to post later.
Self-voting.
Asking to be lynched/killed.
Censoring their own posts.
Stating will post later.
Claiming a non-town win condition.
Obviously stupid night action claim.
Expressing confusion.
Jester speculation.
Unprovoked softclaim.
Why me?
Changing role claim.
Voting X for something while saying that one of the others voting X must be scum.
Claiming an unproveable role.

The list goes on.

I regularly do 90% of them as town.

That list is as garbage as you.

[eagerSnake]

Anyway, we need to lynch Manuel.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod: can we get a VC?

[eagerSnake]

Here's an unofficial VC:

Spoiler: Unofficial VC

Not Voting: The_Jester
Gamma Emerald (L-5): Grendel
House (L-5): VictorDeAngelo
eagerSnake (L-3): Manuel87, House, Huntress
Manuel87 (L-4): eagerSnake, CCC
Square World (L-4): gerryoat, Gamma Emerald

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I'm feeling better about Square now, so:
VOTE: Manuel87

[House]

Anyway, we need to lynch Manuel.

Funny. You cast all the shade on me that you can because I want you dead (you thought I was o so town before I caught you), but you want Manuel lynched?

Setting my mislynch up for tomorrow, are you?

[eagerSnake]

Funny. You cast all the shade on me that you can because I want you dead (you thought I was o so town before I caught you), but you want Manuel lynched?

Setting my mislynch up for tomorrow, are you?

You're saying this because of:

You are correct, that continuously calling someone scum but not being able to come up with one reason why = usually town vs town. I don't think that applies here, as I'm not continuously calling him scum, and I can think of reasons for why he could be. However, I feel more like he is just trying to prove some convoluted point for his "own" goal.

I liked his posting at first too, but don't stop thinking critically. House is not a noob. He, as scum, is definitely more than capable to post the way he did here when he started. He will look townie at first, he will manipulate you, so don't let him ride on an early townread. Could scum!House do this? I definitely think he could.

1. That post came after you started this tunnel on me. Not the other way around. I didn't adjust my read on you simply because you want me dead. I am, however, still thinking critically and speculating about your alignment.
2. Where do you get out of this post that I am saying you are: 'o so town?'

I'm glad you're talking to me again, though.

[eagerSnake]

This is a prime example of morphing evidence to fit the read.

You should re-read: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Conviction

[House]

Once eager flips red, we need to powerlynch CCC.

eager led the cavalry to his defense after I posted my case.

[VictorDeAngelo]

prodge, been travelling today, will post tomorrow morning

[eagerSnake]

Are you salty because I didn't vote for CCC or something?

So you

are

salty that I didn't vote for CCC. Well, I'm sorry you feel that I derailed your power-wagon, I did say you brought up a lot of good points, but I'm not the only one who has doubt that CCC is scum. I'm not the only one who doesn't want him lynched today.

[eagerSnake]

Once eager flips red, we need to powerlynch CCC.

When I flip blue, you're still going to try and powerlynch CCC, so this post is literally pointless.

You think you're slick, but you're not. You're just trying to push easy lynches, setting up mislynches. It's funny, you accuse me of trying to push easy lynches, when

you're the one guilty of that

. Nice projection.

[House]

Are you salty because I didn't vote for CCC or something?

So you

are

salty that I didn't vote for CCC. Well, I'm sorry you feel that I derailed your power-wagon, I did say you brought up a lot of good points, but I'm not the only one who has doubt that CCC is scum. I'm not the only one who doesn't want him lynched today.

Keep on misrepping sparky.

[eagerSnake]

You are obviously mad that I didn't vote for CCC, and it's obvious you have a grudge against me for it. How is that a misrep exactly?

You are accusing me of "pushing an easy lynch," when you are the one trying to do that. You have enough site experience to know that the site meta loathes buzzwords. (I use them anyway. If the word fits, use it.)

Here is your push: "He used buzzwords lynch him." Considering site meta, that makes for an easy push which doesn't require much explanation.

[Huntress]

Eager's posting felt off from his very first post. Most people who want to do something other than rvs to start discussion just do it. Eager made a point of drawing the players attention to what he was doing. He was too quick to call Gamma town in 70, especially in view of his statement that he starts with the assumption that everyone is guilty until proved innocent. I didn't like the second part of 80. If he thought Victor might be town with an ulterior motive then he should have waited to see what came of it rather than point it out. Either way it would have been better to wait for Victor's explanation first. His vote on Square in 600 was for an extremely flimsy reason. It was also for something that Manuel did, not Square. He's throwing the words "doubtcasting" and "WIFOM" around far too much and adding distracting stuff like 697.

These reasons don't match up with what she said originally. At first, she claimed it was because the page with Me & Manuel. Then later made up a bunch of reasons, threw "gut" in there, and added one horribly bad point about that page at the end, which was piggy-backing off of what Manuel and House had already said.

Not true. I first stated my suspicion of you in 345, well before that page, and the comments on the earlier stuff were drawn from the notes I made during my first read which lead up to that scumread. My reaction to page 25, mentioned in 624, was based on

your

posts on that page, not anyone else's.

Her reasoning:
1. RVS (She's reaching, pulling straws, trying to spin an attempt to start discussion into something scummy, and admits to conf!bias by saying "I read your first post as scummy, so then I read the read of your posts as scummy, looking for easy lynch)
2. Quick to call Gamma town (She's piggy-backing what other's said, and grave-digging, I explained why I changed on him already)
3. 2nd part of 80 (She's calling me scum for making valid points/taking stances/engaging players)
4. Vote on Square, use of "buzzwords" (She's piggy-backing off of Manuel and House)

1. This is a good example of why I am finding you scummy. The way you have twisted my words into something completely different to suit yourself and are presenting it as fact.
2. Are you suggesting that I ignore everything that happened before I came in? Nope, not going to do that. If I think it's worth mentioning I will.
3. Nope. I'm taking issue with you pointing out that Victor might be town with an ulterior motive. If you were town and thought that then I would have expected you to wait and see rather than draw attention to it.
4. Nope. My comments were all my own.

[Grendel]

Well we are running out of time. Nobody is interested in Gamma.

My top scum read, Gamma, being on Manuel is giving me pause.

I think Eager is town.

Square is not a good lynch either.

UNVOTE:

[Grendel]

Actually on the other forum Gamma and I played mafia on scum love to bus. The possibility of Gamma as scum bussing his partner here isn't unrealistic.

VOTE: Manuel

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually on the other forum Gamma and I played mafia on scum love to bus. The possibility of Gamma as scum bussing his partner here isn't unrealistic.

VOTE: Manuel

I tried to get my team to not bus Day 5. You need to rethink that bit.

[Grendel]

Hmm, I'll check that then.

[Huntress]

But why would he bus when he could just have voted for eagle or left his vote on square?

[Square World]

simple, gamma isn't scum lol

[Square World]

VOTE: Manuel87

l-1

[Square World]

let the next post be a mod vc