Mini 1830 - Game Over

[Grendel]

Actually Its getting near EoD. I should make a reads list.

I'll look at 442 first though.

[eagerSnake]

I have been leaning slightly scum on Gamma also, but I don't think he's the right lynch for today. He is, at the very least, responsive. I can't say that about everyone here.

[House]

Day 1 lynch identified.

VOTE: CCC

Spoiler: Vote Here or Explain Why Not

I'm getting slight scumtwitches from a few players. Not enough to seriously consider any of them as likely scum yet, but the needles on my scum detectors are twitching slightly.

First is Gamma Emerald, for his post #39:

Do we know how many scum we're looking for?

11 players I'm assuming there's a few possibilities here...

3 teamed mafia, 8 town
2 teamed mafia, 1 3rd party (not cult), 8 town
2 teams of 2 mafia, 7 town

I'm betting 3 Mafia, 8 town or 3 mafia, 7 town, and one 3P.

He was right later - that

does

look scummish. He's keeping the size of the mafia team constant between his guesses, instead of keeping the total number of scum constant. This may mean nothing, or it may imply that he has actual knowledge of the size of the scumteam.

It's a bit thin, but it's got my attention.

The second one who's making me nervous is The_Jester; he seems to be doing quite a lot of dodging questions and discouraging speculation in this thread.

The third one pinging my scumdar is VictorDeAngelo, for his habit of not explaining his scumreads until he wants to move to a different target.

--------------

Since my vote is on none of the above, I think I should move it onto one of the above. Therefore:

VOTE: The Jester

So instead of vote the player that you implicitly feel the most suspicion for (hence, mentioning first), you vote your second suspect.

Scumdar ping.

The person you actually voted, you didn't provide any examples of your allegations the way you did your first suspect (yet felt the need to vote the second anyway).

Scumdar ping.

My experience so far suggests that the entirety of day one is going to be pretty much nullness. I've never been on a game on this site where a Mafia player was lynched on the first day, so I'd be surprised if anyone has anything even approaching a decent read on the first day.

Breeding apathy. Lots of scum motive for that.

Scumdar ping.

--------------

In my previous post, I suggested that VictorDeAngelo and Gamma Emerald were pinging as very slightly scum. To that list I will now add GreenNope and Square World; the first for being completely absent, and the second for providing extremely short posts with no reasons for his votes. From these four, I will elect to park my vote (for the moment) on:

VOTE: Square World

Scumreading someone that hasn't even posted? How is that even vaguely town?

Opportunistic vote, jumping on his playstyle instead of alignment indicative content.

Scumdar ping.

Do you ever read other games? There are garnteed to be games were scum was hung D1 for legitimate reasons.

I haven't seen any where scum was hung D1. I expect to find that, of newbie games (with two scum out of nine players), less than two in nine games have scum lynched on day one. (If the lynches were random, it would be two in nine, but by and large scum will usually try to get town lynched, and on day one I expect that to skew the ratio against Town).

I guess I am pessimistic about day one. Later days, when there's some decent info to work with, I consider far more useful.

Yes, yes... discourage town. Breed that apathy!

Scumdar ping.

In my previous post, I suggested that VictorDeAngelo and Gamma Emerald were pinging as very slightly scum. To that list I will now add GreenNope and Square World; the first for being completely absent, and the second for providing extremely short posts with no reasons for his votes. From these four, I will elect to park my vote (for the moment) on:

VOTE: Square World

How much scummier is Box World compared to Pokémon Remake Emerald, and Old Man Victor?

Also, stop self-metaing at the drop of a hat.

Insignificantly scummier. I have no significant reads at all.

Also, what do you mean by "self-metaing"?

THIS is what not taking stances looks like.

He appears to be trying to read people, but his "insignificant" reads can change with minimal explanation.

Unlike Square, who is posting reads without going into detail why, CCC is prefacing his reads with an excuse to drop them.

Scumdar ping.

Well in my last game with Grendel, it was the same for him. I don't think Grendel is scum this time, but I DEFINITELY think you are.

Believe it or not, this fits my Town meta too. Every game I've ever been Town in, I got lynched day one.

(This may be why I think so little of day one lynches).

Brilliant! You make an excuse for your scummy play to discourage others from lynching you because you're not experienced scum so you're trying to play up your newness.

Sorry bro, nice lesson from boring but she ruined that for you.

Scumdar ping.

What do reads list have to do with conflict?

Conflict causes people to talk and interact. From these interactions, reads can be formed, and refined.

No. No. No.

Town fighting town is EXACTLY what scum wants.

If town is busy bickering with each other, scum has plenty of noise to hide in.

HUGE scumdar ping.

Here's my current list, for example:

1. gerryoat - Null leaning Townish - hasn't stood out, but has been quietly scumhunting
2. Gamma Emerald - Null leaning scummish - more sure of the size of the mafia team than the total number of scum
3. Grendel - Null leaning strongly Town - doing a hefty share of scumhunting
4. RhazhBash - Near complete null, leaning weakly scummish - needs to do more scumhunting
5. CCC - Town all the way
6. Square World - Null leaning scummish - needs to explain himself a little more
7.

GreenNope

Huntress - Null for now - needs to post something
8. Manuel87 - Null leaning slightly scummish - don't think he's made a non-RVS vote yet (could be just cautious)
9. The_Jester - Null leaning very slightly scummish
10. eagerSnake - Townish. He's really making a lot of good points and asking a lot of right questions
11. VictorDeAngelo - Null leaning scummish. I don't like how he's shutting down certain questions, and I don't like his inexplicable Townread on Square World.

2 reads that doesn't have null in them. The one that isn't his own is appended with an "ish", which he can use to justify flipping with minimal explanation.

Scumdar ping.

I'm reposting this every page until I get responses from everyone.

Responses thus far:

eagerSnake

: Lot of valid points (no vote)

Gamma Emerald

: Feels boxed in (vote)

CCC

: Nuh-uh! You were wrong before!

Manuel

: Makes sense if he is full of self-doubt

gerryoat

: liked CCC's responses

Keep them coming, please.

[House]

May I ask why you aren't doing these things in this game?

If you don't see them happen, it's because I don't have to.

What are you doing to do about it? Flood the thread with buzzwords and call me scum?

I'm SO skurred.

[gerryoat]

Why do you guys always post so much when I'm gone, and when I'm here, nothing gets posted. Alright I'm gonna do a reads list from towniest to scummiest

Town
Grendel
eagersnake
House
GammaEmerald
Manuel
The_Jester
CCC
VictorDeAngelo
Huntress
SquareWorld

VOTE: SquareWorld

I would prefer to lynch in my bottom 3, that's my prefrence. Nothing Square has said has really stood out to me. He tried to make a werid case on me that didn't make sense, and it seemed he backed off a bit when no one would follow. Grendel, despite fosing me, I think is town for the reasons I stated earlier, he seems like he's actually scumhunting, and trying to find mafia. He also casted doubt on me when I first gave my TR on him, which imo is a TR. I wish he'd just see that I was town too. Eager has had good posts since the beginning and has been consistent the whole time, which I really like. House has really shot up my townread since subbing in. I don't think CCC is the best vote today, but I do like his case on him. But, I also like CCC's responses, so I would prefer not to vote him.

[gerryoat]

@Gren

I fos RhazhBash , hence the vote. I think you have had townie lines like i've explained. I don't see the rush in making reads when we aren't even 10 pages in yet. But, I'd be confident lynching RhazhBash the most right now

lol

VOTE: gerryoat

@Square World can you explain your reads in a bit more detail?

no

gerryoat, are you an alt?

(filler, trying to cast more doubt on me the 2nd time after it didn't work the first time.)

don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join

(I'm thinking there is at least 1 maf in there. It might be Victor or CCC, but I'm not really sure.)

[gerryoat]

I didn't explain but i was quoting posts that I didn't like from him. And if you iso him, he's day has been garbage. he says he won't lynch eager, but that's who he is voting lmao. So, please hop on that Square wagon please

[eagerSnake]

May I ask why you aren't doing these things in this game?

If you don't see them happen, it's because I don't have to.

What are you doing to do about it? Flood the thread with buzzwords and call me scum?

I'm SO skurred.

Buzzwords is a buzzword.

[eagerSnake]

If the word fits, use it. There's a reason these words have become collectively known and used. There's a reason we use acronyms like "WIFOM" "AtE." There's a reason we use words like "distancing" "buddying" "shadecasting" "doubtcasting" "lurking." Because they've been proven to come from scum more often than town.

Now, if you can explain why the words don't fit the accusations, I'd like to hear that. If not, then you can stop doubtcasting my case by randomly throwing out the "buzzword" buzzword.

Are you salty because I didn't vote for CCC or something?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have realized that flip-floppy voting may be a sign of towniness.
Still not doing it because I'm happy with my vote right now. I only really flip-flop if I don't like my current vote.

[eagerSnake]

I have realized that flip-floppy voting may be a sign of towniness.

Voting, bandwagoning, and/or changing your mind are not alignment indicative actions.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have realized that flip-floppy voting may be a sign of towniness.

Voting, bandwagoning, and/or changing your mind are not alignment indicative actions.

I mainly said it due to Grendel's concerns.

[House]

May I ask why you aren't doing these things in this game?

If you don't see them happen, it's because I don't have to.

What are you doing to do about it? Flood the thread with buzzwords and call me scum?

I'm SO skurred.

Buzzwords is a buzzword.

Dude, do you really want me to point out all the ridiculous buzzword found you've been doing to try to sound like you were doing something?

Fucking lol.

[House]

May I ask why you aren't doing these things in this game?

If you don't see them happen, it's because I don't have to.

What are you doing to do about it? Flood the thread with buzzwords and call me scum?

I'm SO skurred.

Buzzwords is a buzzword.

Dude, do you really want me to point out all the ridiculous buzzword dropping you've been doing to try to sound like you were doing something?

Fucking lol.

EBWOP

[eagerSnake]

Gamma, I have to ask, why are you always "on V/LA" even though you are active?

[eagerSnake]

@House it's not buzzwording if the word fits the accusation.

[House]

Because they've been proven to come from scum more often than town.

Wrong again.

Actions are not alignment indicative.

Period.

[eagerSnake]

Lol you are horrible

[Gamma Emerald]

The tag is a safety measure. I can remove it if you'd like.

[eagerSnake]

Because they've been proven to come from scum more often than town.

Wrong again.

Actions are not alignment indicative.

Period.

Literally laughed my ass off at this post.

[House]

Lol you are horrible

VOTE: eagerSnake

I've had enough of your noise pollution.

[Gamma Emerald]

Great now I want to change my vote. Whatever.
VOTE: Square World

[eagerSnake]

Spoiler: A few actions that are scumtells

Not doing anything pro-town.
Actions not matching claimed motivations.
Claiming to have town motivations, but doing nothing to advance the town's cause.
Hiding.
Avoiding digging or giving opinions.
Fear of drawing attention.
Deliberate lurking.
Worrying over whether they look scummy.
Discouraging discussion.
Refusing to make a case on anyone.
Asking lots of questions, but not doing anything with the answers.
Making judgements about how you yourself would play as scum.
Defense based on an always being scummy or anti-town meta.
Pushing others to contribute opinions without contributing their own opinions.
Not finding anyone scummy.
Trying to avoid attention more than help find scum.
Thinking that posting their honest opinion will hurt them.
Coming up with bogus arguments for calling someone scum.
Aggressively defending themselves.
Being more worried about not being lynched than about finding scum.
Deliberately playing in a way that hurts the town.
Intentionally not being useful.
Claiming survivor.
Thinking X is being dumb town and staying off their wagon despite X's scumminess.
Faking a PR.
Encouraging the town to just lynch randomly.
Not taking a close look at anyone but one person.
OMGUS arguments.
Calling people scummy because they disagree with them.
Doing something scummy and then later trying to pass it off as a "joke."
Lying.
Disbelieving an argument on a townie but jumping on the bandwagon anyway.
Softclaiming.
Attempting to stall their lynch by stating they have a case to post later.
Self-voting.
Asking to be lynched/killed.
Censoring their own posts.
Stating will post later.
Claiming a non-town win condition.
Obviously stupid night action claim.
Expressing confusion.
Jester speculation.
Unprovoked softclaim.
Why me?
Changing role claim.
Voting X for something while saying that one of the others voting X must be scum.
Claiming an unproveable role.

The list goes on.

[House]

Professor eager with his impressive seven game history is more interested in picking an argument with me and making a suitcase on town than doing anything that's actually productive.

I'm fine with him dying today.

[House]

Spoiler: A few actions that are scumtells

Not doing anything pro-town.
Actions not matching claimed motivations.
Claiming to have town motivations, but doing nothing to advance the town's cause.
Hiding.
Avoiding digging or giving opinions.
Fear of drawing attention.
Deliberate lurking.
Worrying over whether they look scummy.
Discouraging discussion.
Refusing to make a case on anyone.
Asking lots of questions, but not doing anything with the answers.
Making judgements about how you yourself would play as scum.
Defense based on an always being scummy or anti-town meta.
Pushing others to contribute opinions without contributing their own opinions.
Not finding anyone scummy.
Trying to avoid attention more than help find scum.
Thinking that posting their honest opinion will hurt them.
Coming up with bogus arguments for calling someone scum.
Aggressively defending themselves.
Being more worried about not being lynched than about finding scum.
Deliberately playing in a way that hurts the town.
Intentionally not being useful.
Claiming survivor.
Thinking X is being dumb town and staying off their wagon despite X's scumminess.
Faking a PR.
Encouraging the town to just lynch randomly.
Not taking a close look at anyone but one person.
OMGUS arguments.
Calling people scummy because they disagree with them.
Doing something scummy and then later trying to pass it off as a "joke."
Lying.
Disbelieving an argument on a townie but jumping on the bandwagon anyway.
Softclaiming.
Attempting to stall their lynch by stating they have a case to post later.
Self-voting.
Asking to be lynched/killed.
Censoring their own posts.
Stating will post later.
Claiming a non-town win condition.
Obviously stupid night action claim.
Expressing confusion.
Jester speculation.
Unprovoked softclaim.
Why me?
Changing role claim.
Voting X for something while saying that one of the others voting X must be scum.
Claiming an unproveable role.

The list goes on.

I regularly do 90% of them as town.

That list is as garbage as you.