I'm still happy with my vote, hence where it remains.In post 572, gerryoat wrote:Okay so
@House
Yes, I like your case on CCC. But, I have to admit CCC has had great responses to your points, do you not think he might be town at all? Or at least rethinking your fos a bit?
Manuel: Makes sense if he is full of self-doubtIn post 552, House wrote:In post 530, House wrote:Responses thus far:
eagerSnake: Lot of valid points (no vote)
Gamma Emerald: Feels boxed in (vote)
CCC: Nuh-uh! You were wrong before!
This reply to Victor re: Square was written immediately after CCC had posted his own readlist (which was not exactly a shining example of commitment to reads) and gives me a similar impression to the above, that he made the list because he thought it would make him look town. The list itself gives more of a scum vibe than a town one.In post 297, CCC wrote:I do think that scum trying to maintain flexibility in reads might want to be slow to commit to a reads list; but again, I can see how a Town player might have this opinion.
I don't see why. I don't need to write up a case to know who I want to vote, and if I did choose someone with votes already on them it would have been Gamma, or maybe eager, not you. You were only fourth on my list, a minor read. Why would I vote my lowest read at the time rather than one of the others?In post 455, House wrote:Because you didn't see fit to present a case on CCC, who nobody was voting, while simultaneously calling me scum, when I had a viable wagon.
It doesn't add up.
Gamma's votes were pretty stale iirc. My slot's wagon was the one being pushed.In post 577, Huntress wrote:I don't see why. I don't need to write up a case to know who I want to vote, and if I did choose someone with votes already on them it would have been Gamma, or maybe eager, not you. You were only fourth on my list, a minor read. Why would I vote my lowest read at the time rather than one of the others?
An unfortunate truth is that ideals are not always met. It goes two fold in a constantly shifting mind game like Mafia. I think I'll check his other games he was mislynched D1 to see how they compare play wise. The only town game Of his I read to completion was in fact Artic mafia. He was scum in wakes rolemadness.In post 575, House wrote:I'm still happy with my vote, hence where it remains.In post 572, gerryoat wrote:Okay so
@House
Yes, I like your case on CCC. But, I have to admit CCC has had great responses to your points, do you not think he might be town at all? Or at least rethinking your fos a bit?
He's acting the same way he did in Arctic Mafia, buy the thing is, he SHOULD have improved since Arctic Mafia on some level if he had actually taken the advice he received.
Snake, Did you miss this?
No, I'm sure you're invested, and you should know how I know.In post 584, Grendel wrote:Okay, so tomorrow I'll quote the times I asked you things, and point out how short and Non-ai you kept all your responses. Why are you now playing up the idea that I'm somehow not as invested in this game as I should be?
Sounds like you're projecting.
Well, it's the right order, but implying a certainty that's just not there.In post 551, House wrote:You're going to need to lose the timidity if you don't want to be mislynch bait. Yes, it's d1. Yes, everybody's reads are going to suck. But here's the thing... EVERYBODY ALSO KNOWS THIS!
Here's how I am interpreting your reads:
eagerSnake - Strong town
Grendel - Town
House - Town
gerryoat - town lean (or null-town)
Huntress - Null (that you are on the fence makes me doubt the town lean until that issue is cleared up)
The_Jester - Null (or null-scum, but it seems pretty slight)
Manuel87 - scum lean (or null-scum)
Square World - scum lean (or null-scum)
VictorDeAngelo - scum lean (or null-scum)
Gamma Emerald - Scum
Okay, yeah, I can see your point. I'd put in the slight leans specifically to try to avoid that, but maybe I should have handled it a little differently.In post 551, House wrote: Yep, I know that's not the reads you've assigned them, but that's how those vague reads you are giving come across to me (NOW). The fact that I have to beat you about the head and shoulders with a case to get clarity on those reads does a lot to make me scumread you.
My initial impression of your reads list was:
eagerSnake - Town
Grendel - null-town
House - null
gerryoat - null
Huntress - null
The_Jester - null
Manuel87 - null
Square World - null
VictorDeAngelo - null
Gamma Emerald - null
Can you see how this looks like a deliberate attempt to deprive town of information and refusal to take a stance?
I've been trying to share what little information I had. If there's anything unclear, or that you think I'm not communicating properly, feel free to ask about it...In post 551, House wrote:I strongly encourage you to step up and own your reads. They won't be 100% accurate, nobody's will be... but providing clear explanations for those reads will inform everyone as to your thought processes.
Sort of like what I'm doing here. Do you better understand why I suspect you? Can you see how vagary draws suspicion from others?
Do you see why information is important for town not only to gather, but also share?
I had read a lot of advice on the wiki. I hadn't read the Mastin articles specifically.In post 563, House wrote:Why? Because he's booking it up and sounds receptive to input?In post 554, Manuel87 wrote:CCC: Leaning slight Scum here. Most of Houses arguments were true but looking at each of them individually they seem rather minor and most of them can be explained with a lot of self doubt which he showed right from the start. Also his discussion with House felt better towards the end.
If anything, it makes me suspect him more because I already directed him to the wiki and gave him advice in our previous game together.
His unwillingness to change his play just tells me that he has a vested interest in playing the noob.
...this is an excellent point. Square, do you have any explanation for this behaviour?In post 565, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Guy voting eagersnake doesn't want to lynch eagersnake. Worse, he also doesn't want to push a wagon but will join any going on about half the game. Any towniness I saw on Square just dissipated.In post 421, Square World wrote:don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo
anyone else just call me and i'll join
Here you go: Arctic MafiaIn post 566, Manuel87 wrote:I dont know about your previous game together can you link me to it? If i find the time i will try to read a little bit into it.
I, too, am not authorised to read that forum.In post 568, House wrote:Idk why, it works fine for me.In post 566, Manuel87 wrote:Also Offtopic: i tried to kilck the "Get to know House." link but it said i am not authorised to read this Forum
The question of whether eager has prior experience with me is equivalent to whether I have prior experience with eager, is it not?In post 577, Huntress wrote:Main reasons for my scumread on CCC are as follows:
Post 50: When Grendel asked eager about him, CCC made sure he got his own oar in first showing that not only did he want to steer the discussion his way, but also that he wasn't interested in hearing how eager responded, which suggested to me that he already knew eager's alignment.
Yes, I'm not good at reading people. I know.In post 577, Huntress wrote:95: I didn't like his reasons for his suspicions here. The first, on Gamma, was just taking advantage of Gamma's own comment and calling him scummy for something that really wasn't - it was just a guess at the setup - and the second, on Jester, didn't hold true, as CCC later admitted.
I suspected deliberate lurking.
That was my genuine readslist. If I'm going to be posting a list of reads as Town, I want it to be genuine.In post 577, Huntress wrote:This reply to Victor re: Square was written immediately after CCC had posted his own readlist (which was not exactly a shining example of commitment to reads) and gives me a similar impression to the above, that he made the list because he thought it would make him look town. The list itself gives more of a scum vibe than a town one.In post 297, CCC wrote:I do think that scum trying to maintain flexibility in reads might want to be slow to commit to a reads list; but again, I can see how a Town player might have this opinion.
Yeah, I haven't been in many games. If anyone else wants to see my other game, here's a linkIn post 580, Grendel wrote:Oh it looks like he only has one other game. I was hoping for a larger sample size. :/
I'd been spending my time finishing my catch up read so it was either post my reads then as I did or leave them for next day to add more detail. I chose the first option and I'm glad I did as it turned out I didn't have enough time the next day to do a proper follow up.In post 578, House wrote:Gamma's votes were pretty stale iirc. My slot's wagon was the one being pushed.
It struck me as odd that you would plunk down a naked vote and not attempt to present a case since you saw something that apparently nobody else did.
The point is that Grendel asked for eager's opinion on it, not yours, and your post looked like an attempt to pre-empt that.In post 593, CCC wrote:The question of whether eager has prior experience with me is equivalent to whether I have prior experience with eager, is it not?
Lurkers actually post occasionally. GreenNope hadn't even been logged in since before role PMs were sent out.In post 593, CCC wrote:I suspected deliberate lurking.
But you look like you're trying to appear "as Town", rather than actually being town. It's like you wanted to make the point about scum trying to maintain flexibility in reads being slow to commit to a reads list, but you needed to do your own reads list first so that you would be able to say that without people applying it to you too.In post 593, CCC wrote:That was my genuine readslist. If I'm going to be posting a list of reads as Town, I want it to be genuine.
I did. I may have to revise it though.In post 595, CCC wrote:Gamma: What are your reads at the moment? I don't think you've yet given a complete list.
